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Nebulous: Fleet Command
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Holy shit there is a strategy layer now? Will need to get back to this ASAP.
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Still waiting for it to fully mature before committing.
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Played some more MP matches, the MP community is fairly strong (a pleasant surprise given how niche this game is) and it isnt difficult to get 4vs4 matches. The two factions (a regular navy and ragtag frontier dudes who use modified civilian ships) that are in the game right now are pretty distinct and play differently, but are also balanced pretty well, both are viable.
The learning curve is indeed p. steep, and gitting gud is properly rewarding (plus you can design your own ships and even missiles). I am fairly confident about the basics already, though as a noob I still tend to hang back and snipe/launch missiles/do EW stuff while the rest of the teams flies around lol.
Certainly looking forward to some SP content, as so far there are only basic and advanced tutorials outside of the MP skirmishes.
The learning curve is indeed p. steep, and gitting gud is properly rewarding (plus you can design your own ships and even missiles). I am fairly confident about the basics already, though as a noob I still tend to hang back and snipe/launch missiles/do EW stuff while the rest of the teams flies around lol.
Certainly looking forward to some SP content, as so far there are only basic and advanced tutorials outside of the MP skirmishes.
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Just a heads up - there is the first SP campaign for Nebulous, albeit an unofficial one. You can find it in Steam workshop for the game.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3129262667
There are four missions for the OSP (the rag tag rebel faction) that show the start of the conflict that the game deals with. I am playing through it and it is fairly good, especially since its fan content. There are briefings and dialogues during the missions, missions are also fairly difficult and so far I haven’t encountered any bugs.
The official campaign is planned, but wont come out anytime soon.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3129262667
There are four missions for the OSP (the rag tag rebel faction) that show the start of the conflict that the game deals with. I am playing through it and it is fairly good, especially since its fan content. There are briefings and dialogues during the missions, missions are also fairly difficult and so far I haven’t encountered any bugs.
The official campaign is planned, but wont come out anytime soon.
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Yo, what up nigguhz. Since I have been playing this a lot lately and I like playing missile ships, lets take a look on how the missile warfare in the game works.
If you played for example Cold Waters, you get the basic idea - the cruise missiles can have their flight path plotted to the point when they activate their homing sensors (of course there are also direct fired missiles for use at short ranges), though this being a 3D space game, the things are obviously more complex.
Here is the map view (similar to the one from Homeworld), where you will be spending most of your time:
Here you can see how plotting the cruise missile strike works:
The red cone shows the area covered by the missile sensors once they activate. You can design your of missiles and in fact designing your own stuff is a huge part of the game. Missiles have tons of subsystems including the homing sensors (there are like ten types in total, ranging from active and semiactive radars to wake homming and optical guidance - all of them have various countermeassures that ships can use against them), configurable engines (you have to balance maneauverability, speed and range), as well as their own countermeasures/penetration aids and such. Both factions have their own approach, with the ANS (regular navy) having access to multistage missiles while the OSPN (rebels) can use improvised containers missiles which can have wide variety of uses.
It tends to be p. hard to break through the point defence of larger formations, so you have to pick your targerts carefully, you are usually better of trying to pick off isolated ships (though if you happen to play against noobs with poorly desingned ships, things get easier). The key is to use mixed salvos - I like to use for example one pure penetration aid missile (with directional radar jammer and tons of decoys) followed by a mix of active radar and home-on-jam missiles.
When you plot a successful strike, you are rewarded with cool show like this...
Salvo of containers about to nuke an enemy scout.
Another enemy scout having a bad time with my containers - in this case I ploted a speculative strike at one of the objectives (C in this case). Since I managed to hit the the capping scout the enemy team failed to cap the point and had to redeploy more ships to try to secure it. This is a very rewarding if risky tactic for MP.
Here you can see the nemy crew evacuating the knocked out scout in life pods - this will be important in the campaigns where you will have named officers and crews gaining XP.
And here we have an enemy missile/EW cruiser getting fucked up hard by the well plotted top-down missile strike. Notice the red tracers - those are the last shells fired by the point defence guns. The yellow lines are the streaks left behind the rockets on the way in. In this case I used rocket containers - those carry large number of submunitions that get released close to the target, very usefull if you need to overwelm a powerfull point defence network.
The game is still in primarly MP phase now, the devs promise to release an update which will introduce careers and strike craft at some point, which will be a very interesting addition - I will see if I switch from the missile ships to careers once they come out.
Sometimes some really ridiculous stuff can happen in the MP matches - recently I was chilling with my missile ship behind and asteroid, sending containers left and right, suddenly a dude from other team tried to rush my possiton with a battleship (the most powerful ANS ship class in the game) followed by a point defenes frigate. In panic I launched a huge salvo at the approaching ships, which was mostly ineffective, however I scored a lucky crit on the frigate, which detonated its reactor. Reactor explosions are the most lethal thing in the game, they kill the sensors in the vicinity for a while and do massive damage. Since the battleship was in close formation with the frigate and was caught up in the explosion, which knocked it out as well. The dude ragequite the match and I spent rest of the match trolling the other team in the chat, since I was out of missiles at that point. Good times.
In any case, shit is p. cash tbh fam. Cant recommend this enough.
If you played for example Cold Waters, you get the basic idea - the cruise missiles can have their flight path plotted to the point when they activate their homing sensors (of course there are also direct fired missiles for use at short ranges), though this being a 3D space game, the things are obviously more complex.
Here is the map view (similar to the one from Homeworld), where you will be spending most of your time:
Here you can see how plotting the cruise missile strike works:
The red cone shows the area covered by the missile sensors once they activate. You can design your of missiles and in fact designing your own stuff is a huge part of the game. Missiles have tons of subsystems including the homing sensors (there are like ten types in total, ranging from active and semiactive radars to wake homming and optical guidance - all of them have various countermeassures that ships can use against them), configurable engines (you have to balance maneauverability, speed and range), as well as their own countermeasures/penetration aids and such. Both factions have their own approach, with the ANS (regular navy) having access to multistage missiles while the OSPN (rebels) can use improvised containers missiles which can have wide variety of uses.
It tends to be p. hard to break through the point defence of larger formations, so you have to pick your targerts carefully, you are usually better of trying to pick off isolated ships (though if you happen to play against noobs with poorly desingned ships, things get easier). The key is to use mixed salvos - I like to use for example one pure penetration aid missile (with directional radar jammer and tons of decoys) followed by a mix of active radar and home-on-jam missiles.
When you plot a successful strike, you are rewarded with cool show like this...
Salvo of containers about to nuke an enemy scout.
Another enemy scout having a bad time with my containers - in this case I ploted a speculative strike at one of the objectives (C in this case). Since I managed to hit the the capping scout the enemy team failed to cap the point and had to redeploy more ships to try to secure it. This is a very rewarding if risky tactic for MP.
Here you can see the nemy crew evacuating the knocked out scout in life pods - this will be important in the campaigns where you will have named officers and crews gaining XP.
And here we have an enemy missile/EW cruiser getting fucked up hard by the well plotted top-down missile strike. Notice the red tracers - those are the last shells fired by the point defence guns. The yellow lines are the streaks left behind the rockets on the way in. In this case I used rocket containers - those carry large number of submunitions that get released close to the target, very usefull if you need to overwelm a powerfull point defence network.
The game is still in primarly MP phase now, the devs promise to release an update which will introduce careers and strike craft at some point, which will be a very interesting addition - I will see if I switch from the missile ships to careers once they come out.
Sometimes some really ridiculous stuff can happen in the MP matches - recently I was chilling with my missile ship behind and asteroid, sending containers left and right, suddenly a dude from other team tried to rush my possiton with a battleship (the most powerful ANS ship class in the game) followed by a point defenes frigate. In panic I launched a huge salvo at the approaching ships, which was mostly ineffective, however I scored a lucky crit on the frigate, which detonated its reactor. Reactor explosions are the most lethal thing in the game, they kill the sensors in the vicinity for a while and do massive damage. Since the battleship was in close formation with the frigate and was caught up in the explosion, which knocked it out as well. The dude ragequite the match and I spent rest of the match trolling the other team in the chat, since I was out of missiles at that point. Good times.
In any case, shit is p. cash tbh fam. Cant recommend this enough.
std::namespace
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my gut is telling me that this is never gonna be fun:
its a slow rock/paper/sci rts where you fight the 3d ui with your apm
...the core gameplay makes me think of world of tanks... :
you move around invis, looking for position and then fight
except here you cannot disengage
so once fighting starts, the r/p/s just wins...
too much rng, no player skill, except predicting/guessing position
its a slow rock/paper/sci rts where you fight the 3d ui with your apm
...the core gameplay makes me think of world of tanks... :
you move around invis, looking for position and then fight
except here you cannot disengage
so once fighting starts, the r/p/s just wins...
too much rng, no player skill, except predicting/guessing position
karoliner
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karoliner
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ropetight
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Nebulous gets better and deeper, and every part is throughly planned.
Revamped UI will make game look better and easier to play.
Rest of changes in pipeline (intelligence ops, marines and ground battles on strategic layer) also look interesting.
Dev mentioned carriers are planned, that got me hyped through the roof!
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Any news on official SP content? The game look cool but multiplayer only is a dealbraker for me.
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Here is the official roadmap: https://trello.com/b/ZNxJIGSQ/nebulous-public-roadmap
The SP campaign is the Bethel Rebellion thingy listed in the "Future Major Updates," though I havent seen anything new ragarding when it is coming.
The Solar System Conquest mode will also have an SP option (this is the stuff that the last video relates to with UI and intel stuff), I guess this will be coming in the forseeable future, since the updates keep coming fairly often.
The SP campaign is the Bethel Rebellion thingy listed in the "Future Major Updates," though I havent seen anything new ragarding when it is coming.
The Solar System Conquest mode will also have an SP option (this is the stuff that the last video relates to with UI and intel stuff), I guess this will be coming in the forseeable future, since the updates keep coming fairly often.
ropetight
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This makes this game skirmish/multiplayer only affair, like Sins of Solar Empire.
This is unfortunate, and removes my main point of interest in the game... "indefinitely".
I hope they will resume work on campaign later.
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Beastro
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Game gives off heavy Babylon 5 vibes, which isn't a bad thing:
Beastro
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I don't exactly see that in that the distances get rather insanely close in the OP's video which would only happen in a night fight.
Then there's the usual tropes around speed with battleships being slow and smaller vessels being fast. The naval reality of that is more nuanced and has some exceptions (larger warships handling bad weather and heavy seas better making them actually faster in such circumstances) while the differences aren't as big as game's shallowly tend to paint them.
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Yes, they are focusing the game on other stuff. If you have a problem with that this game's not for you.
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I understand, the lost tech of not making things look hideous.
I don't think it's hideous, just very simplistic on purpose and trying to look "realistic" according to expectations set up by hard sci-fii movies and TV series.
In reality nobody knows how space combat would look like, you have these guys who think missiles and fighters are going to be king and then you have Terra Invicta which takes the oposite view. Either way both games are interesting and provide that hard scify vibe. Because hard sci-fi isn't about being right about the future, just about taking a serious approach to the setting premisses and making it look realistic and above all coherent within itself.
In the ned for me, as long as graphics are neat and interface is functional I am happy. I value coherence the most.
In reality nobody knows how space combat would look like, you have these guys who think missiles and fighters are going to be king and then you have Terra Invicta which takes the oposite view. Either way both games are interesting and provide that hard scify vibe. Because hard sci-fi isn't about being right about the future, just about taking a serious approach to the setting premisses and making it look realistic and above all coherent within itself.
In the ned for me, as long as graphics are neat and interface is functional I am happy. I value coherence the most.
karoliner
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