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Don't talk about Gamespy like that. They just don't waste time on any messy "thinking".kingcomrade said:
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New Oblivion Preview on Gamespy that you'll just LOVE
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ExMonk
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HanoverF said:
Are you saying that only someone who hates something is qualified to report on it? Or are you saying that if a person has a demonstrable strong opinion about a topic, forged by serious experience about that topic, this fact disqualifies him/her from giving a rational and accurate presentation? If so you are disqualifying most everyone.
Just remember that this cuts both ways...
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Point is, one should take a fanboy opinion with a grain of salt. Not that I agree that Desslock is a fanboy...
However, as I pointed out at TES forums, Desslock gave a good 8.4 review to Dungeon Siege, so his credability has been tainted.
However, as I pointed out at TES forums, Desslock gave a good 8.4 review to Dungeon Siege, so his credability has been tainted.
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I guess if you boil it down what I'm really saying is fanatics are not unbiased or rational. And yes, that does obviously go to any side of any issue. That might hit close to home for you. You also seem to totally ignore the BIAS part to make your point.
The 'Anyone who enjoyed' part should probably be loved, I mean, people can enjoy a cup and ball game
I don't know if this Dass guy is a fanboy or not, but Dasslock doesn't sound much like a journalist or reviewer name. If he got paid for the guide that changes things a bit, but he still played Morrowind enough to compile a lengthy guide, and still enjoyed it, so there is clearly something wrong with him.
The 'Anyone who enjoyed' part should probably be loved, I mean, people can enjoy a cup and ball game
I don't know if this Dass guy is a fanboy or not, but Dasslock doesn't sound much like a journalist or reviewer name. If he got paid for the guide that changes things a bit, but he still played Morrowind enough to compile a lengthy guide, and still enjoyed it, so there is clearly something wrong with him.
I played the shit out of Morrowind to see if there wa anything good in it and SURPRISE there wasnt.
if you poke around the interweb, I have a mod (and almost made a second mod that would've knocked peoples socks off) and theres a bunch of screenshots of my character
if you poke around the interweb, I have a mod (and almost made a second mod that would've knocked peoples socks off) and theres a bunch of screenshots of my character
ExMonk
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HanoverF said:
It's Desslock, with an "e." And "Desslock" is his journalistic name, not his real one. He has a pretty respected pedigree as a rpg reviewer that goes back quite a few years. He certainly is no "fanboy."
So it's "fanatics" who are not rational or unbiased. That begs the question, What is a fanatic? How do you define "fanatic"? I could easily call a number of the regular posters here "rpg fanatics," and I doubt that they'd disagree. Does that make their opinions biased and irrational?
Micmu
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micmu said:
Sooo... *gets out notepad, sits down cross-legged* what prompted you to play as a crazy, naked female orc?
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Thats gotta be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.ExMonk said:
Ok second stupidest. (especially in light of the Dungeon Siege score)ExMonk said:
ExMonk said:
Oh absoultely (just look at Volourn) but besides the point. You seem to be dragging this toward fanatic identification and away (for whatever reason) from the crux of my post, that being discussing terms of review legitimacy.
I'd need a grain of salt the size of Utah to take with a review of Oblivion written by someone named Daslok
who loved Morrowind and has a multipage guide on the subject.Dreagon
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An interesting little opinion piece on the worthlessness of current previews and game journalism
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/07/the_p ... ournalism/
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/07/the_p ... ournalism/
Section8
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Nothing that most of us don't already know, but that's the sort of thing that can't be said enough, especially from gaming journos themselves. Cheers for the link, Dreagon.
Human Shield
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It isn't news journalism, it is a industry fanbase newsletter. I'm sure magazines about guns/cars/bikes/clothes have glowing previews of anything big designers come up with.
It isn't reporting facts. Only rarely due you see real interviews with developers that have left and give the real story (and they aren't reported by the big players).
They don't work with events that happen but rather whatever scraps the developers throw them. They are newsletters to say "this is going to be cool".
It isn't reporting facts. Only rarely due you see real interviews with developers that have left and give the real story (and they aren't reported by the big players).
They don't work with events that happen but rather whatever scraps the developers throw them. They are newsletters to say "this is going to be cool".
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LlamaGod said:
care to elaborate on the no rp in mw?
roleplaying in games isn't magic pretend time, no matter what MMORPGs try to make you think
Roleplaying is using the game system to define a role for your character, his physical/mental abilities and having the game world respond to how he is. Being able to say and do things and also not being able to say and do things.
And thats the game world reacting, not just you being a stupid ass in front of the computer.
Roleplaying is using the game system to define a role for your character, his physical/mental abilities and having the game world respond to how he is. Being able to say and do things and also not being able to say and do things.
And thats the game world reacting, not just you being a stupid ass in front of the computer.
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I'm assuming that you mean to say "When did those things happen?", but I'm not sure.LlamaGod said:
You defined a class for your character at the beggining, which determined what he could do and what he could not do.
All the choices you made during the game defined your character's personality.
besides the fact that options are the same for everyone and you have no personality in Morrowind (are there even fucking choices?), you never ever once have the world react to your character design
and morrowind's character system had 0 roleplaying in it. All the skills were self-help or combat skills (and like 2 trading skills) and all your stats just raised values, you never actually had a specific character.
you can get 100 in everything in morrowind and still be the same exact character you were when you started, you just do more damage
and morrowind's character system had 0 roleplaying in it. All the skills were self-help or combat skills (and like 2 trading skills) and all your stats just raised values, you never actually had a specific character.
you can get 100 in everything in morrowind and still be the same exact character you were when you started, you just do more damage
damaged_drone
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i think its true there was little in the way of reactivity to how your character completed tasks and that any rp u got from mw was mainly in which quests your character participated in at all. 'can you rob a boat of its valuable limeware pottery for me? its in dock at ebonheart' the rp is in the yes or no. if ur char was a thief u had a sneaky thief quest to play ur thief role in. if u were honest u said fuck off and went and found honest quests to do. thats rp in my book. :wink:
edit: ur character in mw is defined more by their actions as opposed to what your character sheet says as you seem to want. urban/violent/honest/sneaky/mercenary/tomb robber/wilderness etc etc little reactivity but rp none the less.
edit: ur character in mw is defined more by their actions as opposed to what your character sheet says as you seem to want. urban/violent/honest/sneaky/mercenary/tomb robber/wilderness etc etc little reactivity but rp none the less.
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There were lots of fucking choices in Morrowind. 300+ optional quests are choices. Want to play an evil or selfish character? Join the Telvanni. An agent? Join the Hlaalu. A healer? The Temple. A diplomat? Imperial Cult. An assassin? Morag Tong. A researcher or an archeologist? The Mages Guild. A mercenary? Fighters Guild. A thief? Thieves guild. A honourable warrior? The Redoran.LlamaGod said:
Micmu
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There was lots of pretending in Morrowind.Lumpy said:
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