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[Volourn]

"The EU and US has lately been on quite different opinion on things."

Funny. Last I checked, about half of Europe's countries supported the war...

 

[Whipporowill]

Yeah. Some of the European countries aren't even IN the EU, and others - such as Poland are newly inducted. It's basically the young ex-communist states that side with the US for some moolah, getting to join NATO, et c. Greece had riots against the war, in Spain about 90% of the populace was against the war, and still the government sent troops.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Over here in Malaysia we used to like the United States, back when Clinton ran the show. We didn't like Gore, because he was an ass, and most of us were happy that Bush won - until the wars, that is. That really pissed everyone off. I don't think anti-Americanism has been this rabid, all over the world, ever. When Clinton decided to intervene with Somalia and in the Balkans, the Malaysian government (and many other governments) willingly helped out by sending troops to support the efforts. Heck, we even sent our 1st Mechanized Infantry Division (first UN-affilated military in the world to use such a unit in battle, in fact) to Somalia to aid with the whole Black Hawk Down situation, and took a few casualties of our own. We weren't given US aid for any of it, as we aren't some poor chickenshit ex-communist 3rd world country, so we're not obligated to do anything.

 

[Avin]

"Funny. Last I checked, about half of Europe's countries supported the war..."

have you checked the listof supporting countries? it seems that fows news has made a great job convincing US folks of the greatness of *coalizion* . Heh.

 

[Vault Dweller]

"Same things for all intents and purposes in the context of the discussion."

No.

Yes.

" 'cause making and testing a few patches = paying for 4 straight years."

Yes.

Does the mental illness you suffer from has a name?

No one, espicially me, were arguing that EVERYONE liked NWN. What nutjob if you think otherwise.

No, you thought that if the majority likes it it's a success overall. I tried to explain (unsuccessfully, 'cause you hate thinking) that there are different criteria based on different goals and positions. So, different groups representing these positions would rate things differently. There are those who look at sales number, those who look at what NWN did for the DnD brand, those who want MP, those who want SP and epic stories, those who want hardcore role-playing, etc. All these groups would rate the game differently and wouldn't give a fuck about other groups' opinions. Just like you don't give a fuck about anybody else right now and keep mumbling that NWN was a success. It was, but not for everybody. Deal with it.

"The point was that they weren't going to use the standard names, but then did."

Huh? That's your beef. Tha theyd ecided to go basics and isnetad of calling the dwarf like race roofilorons instead of dwarf? Hahahahaha. You'll complain about anything when it comes to BIO, huh? Hahahahaha. They also never said 100% what their races before the FAQ came out. What a goomba.

You picked a new word "goomba"? Good for you, Volly. One new word a day, and in a few years you will feel much smarter, you'd even be able to understand most of the things I'm often trying to explain to you. Anyway, I'm not picking on anything, if anything, I prefer a dwarf-like race to be called dwarves, instead of some made up stupid name. So, I'm glad they did that and I fully support their decision, not that they give a shit. My point was that DA would have enough DnD elements to appeal to DnD fans, at least those who thought that Bio was making DnD games :p

 

[RGE]

Let's say that the US was looked up on as a big brother - not always right, not always wrong - but pretty cool, although you wouldn't admit it openly. Now it's more like a schoolyard bully - might makes right and all that. I'm not saying that the US was super-popular, but in Europe it was more of a love-hate relation. The EU and US has lately been on quite different opinion on things.

I think that's a very good analogy. Here in Sweden we always seemed to consider USA an unofficial ally, but I suppose that may have changed a bit since Russia now appears to be less of a threat to us. But if there weren't laws against it, we'd watch even more american TV-shows than we already are. So I think it's safe to say that we still don't hate USA. Perhaps envy and annoyance, but far from hate.

As for the success or failure of WWII, I'd say it was a failure, because the people who started the war lost the war. For Sweden it was apparently a great boon to our economy, since we managed to stay out of it by turning our coats whichever way the wind blew.

When it comes to the current war in Iraq, I agree that it's too early to judge the success, though it looks like it'll end up a failure. I don't think a whole lot of people outside of USA believed that the goal was to find WMDs though. When Bush wouldn't wait for the weapons inspectors to finish their job, it was pretty evident that he wanted to start a war for other reasons. I've been in those shoes myself, trying to goad some enemy in Civilization into starting a war with me, and then ending up having to be the aggressor because the AI wasn't willing to comply with my precious time table.

 

[Whipporowill]

Oh, RGE - you know I'm Swedish, right? Just checking. That might be why we both find the analogy so fitting...

 

[Vault Dweller]

Though the US killed more Vietnamese than the Vietnamese killed the US; the US did not accomplish their goal and the Vietnamese did so therefore the US lost.

Meh. US bashing has been a habitual pasttime for many coutnries in Euprope and elsewhere for a very long time - way before Bush was even on the horizon. This idea that somehow Bush = the reason for that is just plain silly. The hatred is just more pronounced 'cause for one of the few times an Amerikan President was honest enoiugh to say we are the US, we are the super power, we will no longer be bullied into not doing what we think is best for US.

Afterall, Euprope has always looked down upon the US as a piece of shit nation of no class neanderthals. That is not new. Even Britian though they helped and the war still have the same 'ol arrogant stance towards their 'allies'.

Totally agree with you, Volly, on your political stand though. Let's trash some of your opponents together.

Simply not true Volourn, there's a more open anti-americanism in Europe than ever before. During the 80's the US was quite popular and Clinton kept international affairs smooth - which isn't the same I can say for Bush. Making enemies isn't how you fight terrorism, unless you decide to nuke everyone, as they can't fight back.

America was always strong, and people hate those who are stronger, more rich, and more successful. That's where the human nature thing kicks in. Not to mention that US deserved and caused a lot of the blame. They did nuke Japan (two fucking bombs? Wasn't that a bit too much? Couldn't they blow one CLOSE to the island and say "the NEXT one gonna really hurt?"), and let me tell you, nothing adds to popularity like nuking somebody, people love that shit. The Vietnam dealio also made them very popular, not to mention fucking up with the regimes of several South American countries to ensure good trade deals. Also, it's worth noting that people who attacked American properties including the 911 thing did they before and shortly after Bush came to power, so he didn't have a chance to piss anybody off yet.

Yeah. Some of the European countries aren't even IN the EU, and others - such as Poland are newly inducted.

'Cause if they aren't in the EU, they are not a part of Europe, even if they are technically located in Europe. WOWSERS! :shock:

 

[RGE]

Oh, RGE - you know I'm Swedish, right? Just checking. That might be why we both find the analogy so fitting...

No, I had no idea. Maybe if I had bothered to check those coordinates, but I'm too much of a slacker to do that. I wonder what those other europeans think of USA then. All those crazies down on the continent...

 

[Vault Dweller]

As for the success or failure of WWII, I'd say it was a failure, because the people who started the war lost the war. For Sweden it was apparently a great boon to our economy, since we managed to stay out of it by turning our coats whichever way the wind blew.

That's a good point that demonstrates how success/failure is measured by a point of view. For Germans it was a failure, for the Allies it was a success, and for Sweden it was a success because they made tons of money helping both parties kill each other. Sweden rulez! :wink:

 

[Whipporowill]

Yeah. Some of the European countries aren't even IN the EU, and others - such as Poland are newly inducted.

'Cause if they aren't in the EU, they are not a part of Europe, even if they are technically located in Europe. WOWSERS! :shock:

The EU and US has lately been on quite different opinion on things.

That's was what it stemmed from and as EU doesn't equal Europe, but most countries apart from Switzerland and hm... San Marino are members, or vying for membership (Turkey), I don't see your point VD?

 

[Vault Dweller]

Hmm, sorry, mate, got carried away with all that talk about war and decided to make a sneak attack. Oh well... Seriously though, I just didn't follow the quote to the previous page. You win, you crazy Swedish bastard.

 

[Whipporowill]

You calling me crazy, you old coot?

Yeah, and while on the topic of Sweden - we all talk like the Swedish Chef (luckily we can type), our menfolk look like Björn Borg and our female population walk around in the nude - with fur hats. Just so you know.

 

[Vault Dweller]

You calling me crazy, you old coot?

...while on the topic of Sweden -...our female population walk around in the nude - with fur hats. Just so you know.

That's it. I can't take this shit anymore. EEVIAC tells me that in Australia its fashionable for girls to wear jeans cut so low that their cunt hair shows, Whippo tells stories about naked chicks (with sexy Swedish accents) everywhere, and here in Canada we have absolutely nothing like that and the only chick who is crazy enough to walk naked is Volourn.

 

[Volourn]

"it seems that fows news has made a great job convincing US folks of the greatness of *coalizion* . Heh."

I don't watch fows news. Or fox news for that matter. CNN, CBC, and the BBC are Big 3. Even some AJ when I can. Plus, the 'net of course. LOL

The Coalition compromised of about 30-50 countries yet ding dongs kept trying to convince themselves that the US acted unilaterally. LOL


"let me tell you, nothing adds to popularity like nuking somebody, people love that shit."

Actually do or how else can you explain why japan is one of the US' most loyal and steadfast friends despite the fact that country faced the worst the US has done? WOWSERS!


"It was, but not for everybody."

The first aprt is *all* that matters when saying somehting was a success. NWN was a success. period. Whether some ding dong in Waterloo didn't like means crap.

 

[Whipporowill]

Why you mind telling me which those 30-50 countries were? And how many troops they have/had? Poland is the 4th biggest contributor after the US, UK, and Aussies - and they're pulling out at the end of the year - and they had what 2000 k units, tops, and were in charge of the mixed troops from other countries, most of which weren't even combat units.

 

[Volourn]

"Why you mind telling me which those 30-50 countries were? And how many troops they have/had? Poland is the 4th biggest contributor after the US, UK, and Aussies - and they're pulling out at the end of the year - and they had what 2000 k units, tops, and were in charge of the mixed troops from other countries, most of which weren't even combat units."

Not all of the countries sent troops or even money. Many of them are small countries (yeah, that means their opinion mean shit, lol); but supported the war. As for ana ctual list, you can find them all over as they've been shared multiple times. i said 30-50 as the list seems to flunctuate depending when and who you ask. LOL

 

[Vault Dweller]

"let me tell you, nothing adds to popularity like nuking somebody, people love that shit."

Actually do or how else can you explain why japan is one of the US' most loyal and steadfast friends despite the fact that country faced the worst the US has done? WOWSERS!

Are you confusing governments with people? Pakistan and Saudis are also allies, what's your point, my easily confused friend?

"It was, but not for everybody."

The first aprt is *all* that matters when saying somehting was a success. NWN was a success. period. Whether some ding dong in Waterloo didn't like means crap.

Ding Dong! Another welcome addition to your repertoire. Anyway, you have obviously missed the comment I made to RGE:

"That's a good point that demonstrates how success/failure is measured by a point of view. For Germans it was a failure, for the Allies it was a success, and for Sweden it was a success because they made tons of money helping both parties kill each other"
Think about it, it's easy, you can get it if you concentrate.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Those 30-50 countries are meaningless and pathetic. Nobody gives a flying fuck about Tobago. The only countries on the list that actually matter are USA, Canada, England, Japan and Poland. Didn't Turkey pull out recently?

That list even happens to include a "country" with a population of 0. It's more like an ancient dead volcano in the middle of the South Pacific. It's represented by New Delhi or something.

 

[Volourn]

"Canada"

Huh? Sadly, we aren't on the list. Our faces are up the Un's dicks.

 

[Vault Dweller]

That's it? The discussion is finally dead? Come on, people, look alive, page 14 is within our grasps.... Post something stupid quickly.

[imitating Brad Pitt in Troy] IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?! [/imitating]

 

[Sol Invictus]

Nazis.

Now, the discussion is officially dead.

 

[Reklar]

Those 30-50 countries are meaningless and pathetic. Nobody gives a flying fuck about Tobago. The only countries on the list that actually matter are USA, Canada, England, Japan and Poland. Didn't Turkey pull out recently?

That list even happens to include a "country" with a population of 0. It's more like an ancient dead volcano in the middle of the South Pacific. It's represented by New Delhi or something.

Actually, Australia and Italy have troops in Iraq as well as El Salvador, which goes to show that the size of the country has nothing to do with the level of support for rebuilding Iraq into a free country. The attitude you display towards "meaningless and pathetic" countries is more likely to get you called an arrogant S.O.B. and create enemies than treating them like equal partners in an endeavor such as rebuilding Iraq. I find it eminently satisfying when people from other countries who label Americans as arrogant (amongst other choices words) prove they're no better than those they malign because it proves to anyone paying attention, and without a grudge against America, that they are hypocrites. Sadly, there do not seem to be many people paying attention anymore.

-Reklar
(a Fallout/RPG fan)

 

[Vault Dweller]

And a new champion has risen. Reklar makes a move against Exitium literally tearing his position apart and stopping short from calling him a fucking hypocrite. What would Exitium say to that? Stay tuned and you will find out! You are watching RPG Codex! Weather forecast: shitstorm!

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[Elwro]

I learned a new phrase recently and I was given a mission to make its usage more common. As it seems to be the current most popular thread...

Boy, are you people full of spokker jones!