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Volourn

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Quote the Codex (and this can go for any BIO D&D game): "WAAAAAAAAA! It's not full turn base combat! WAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
 
Walkin' Dude

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Jasede said:
May I kindly inquire what, pray tell, is so butchered about the rules in NWN?
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You would have a much shorter answer if you ask what is NOT butchered in NWN. You have to give up a lot of the mechanics to convert a turn-based system to real time. Also, a lot of the classes had to be rebalanced for a single player experience.
 

suibhne

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It's not just the TB stuff. In the most recent interview linked around here, even Sawyer specifically cited some of the big rule changes left over from NWN and basically said "Meh, I have to work with them because that's what I inherited."
 

Volourn

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Changing rules does not mean 'butchering', fools. It be like claiming that 3e butchered D&D rules. LOLLERS
 
Binary

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Woetohice said:
Combat plays totally different between a game that sticks closer to the rules (TOEE) and one that's trying to be a Diablo with pause and slaps the D&D logo on it.
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Daft. ToEE is as close to the D&D rules as NWN is. What has combat got to do with it?

I too prefer turn-based combat (and ToEE has my 2nd favorite RPG combat system ever), but please, I've heard the "NWN is crap because combat is real time" mantra going for too long.
 

Volourn

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No. NWN is closer. Any game with a DMC is closer to the D&D rules than any other game. D&D is meant to be played with a live DM.

Period.
 

suibhne

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Binary said:
Daft. ToEE is as close to the D&D rules as NWN is. What has combat got to do with it?
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Leaving aside Vol's unmoored comment about the DMC...how the heck do you get the fruity idea that NWN is as faithful a rules implementation as ToEE?

Just...wow.

Bio not only got rid of a lot, like any D&D CRPG, but they also made up a whole collection of feats and an entire combat mechanic out of thin air (one that the lead designer of NWN2 has criticized but admits he's stuck with). Show me a similar invention with ToEE and I'll cry uncle.
 
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