Interview NWN2 Q&A at ActionTrip

[Spazmo]

I don't know, which is why I'm saying it's either laziness (they couldn't be bothered to do it right) or incompetence (they couldn't do it right). If you've got other explanations, I'm glad to hear them. In any case, the fact remains: savegames in NWN were too fucking big, and whatever the reason, BioWare messed up on that.

 

[Volourn]

"If you've got other explanations, I'm glad to hear them"

I don't. Neither do you. That's my point, dumbass. The bigger point is it simply isn't a big deal unless you have such a weak ass computer (that can amazzingly run NWN) or use like 123 saves. Period.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Even if someone has a a bigger HD to mess around with, they're still left with a game that creates large files for game-saving. If we're dealing with an average user that has his or her HD crammed with mp3's, images and movies, it's likely worse. I didn't had problems with my 40 GB HD, but what about low end users with 10, 5, or even less GBs? Didn't Neverwinter Nights required something between 1.2 (minimum) to 2 GBs (recommend) of install size?

 

[DrattedTin]

There are a few tricks you can use to pass some information from module to module, but you can't really pass a huge number of flags from module to module. Think of how many events a game like Fallout or Planescape Torment keep track of.

I imagine someone else already addressed this, but it was probably just Volourn in his usual silly-ass way. So, here it is: you can, if you wish, pass as many ints as you want from one module to another. There's no reason you can't do everything Bioware did in Planescape or BGII, scriptingwise, with this. It's just a case of most people not trying to; it would take effort (not in taking ints from module to module, but in scripting for all these things). It's much easier to design a chapter 2 that generically "accepts" what you did in the previous module.

Also, the module thing and keeping track of all the little events that go on would create issues in making a non-linear game where you might want to revisit an earlier area to complete something you didn't do originally.

So make it all one module. Easy as pie. You know why we don't see large or even medium-sized modules like this? The people who are making modules are just your average joes, and your average joes don't have the discipline to make a whole module before unveiling it. They want people to congratulate them. They want to share their work, often before it's finished (nevermind it just *sucking* in general).

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

The bigger point is it simply isn't a big deal unless you have such a weak ass computer (that can amazzingly run NWN) or use like 123 saves. Period.

Okay, Vol. You forgot one two words in that sentence that should have come after "big deal" and those would happen to be "to me". Obviously it is a big deal to people or they wouldn't have brought it up.

 

[Volourn]

Meh. It's not my fault they're anal. And, hey, I even gave Saint that point originally..

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Meh. It's not my fault they're anal.

No, but it's exclusively your fault for assuming a problem doesn't exist simply because it didn't happen to you, or because you don't think it's a problem.

 

[Volourn]

"No, but it's exclusively your fault for assuming a problem doesn't exist simply because it didn't happen to you, or because you don't think it's a problem."

Why do you babble while you troll?

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Why do you babble while you troll?

For your sake, I hope you realize constantly calling others troll while dodging the issue won't hide nor lessen the fact you argument is, as always, pants.

 

[Spazmo]

So make it all one module. Easy as pie. You know why we don't see large or even medium-sized modules like this? The people who are making modules are just your average joes, and your average joes don't have the discipline to make a whole module before unveiling it. They want people to congratulate them. They want to share their work, often before it's finished (nevermind it just *sucking* in general).

True enough, but how come BioWare themselves had to split the OC into three or four modules? Given that the whole thing was released at once (with the game), I imagine it was to avoid savegames that would be three times as big as the current ones.

 

[Volourn]

"True enough, but how come BioWare themselves had to split the OC into three or four modules?"

Because..

A) The OC was supposed to be a bunch of loosely connected modules to "show off" the toolset. Then it was cut down to the 4 chapters for show. Also, the ability to pass info mod to mod was more complicated at that time and thy proably felt it wasn't worth it in the long haul.

B) HOTU has fixed this. It's now MUCH eaiser to pass info mod to mod. MUCH.



"For your sake"

Don't share your faux caring. You don't give a damn about me nor do I care.


"I hope you realize constantly calling others troll while dodging the issue won't hide nor lessen the fact you argument is, as always, pants."

This coming from someone who had called me 'intelligent', and a worthy (master)debater before he decided to beome a whiner who can't handle internet life.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

This coming from someone who had called me 'intelligent', and a worthy (master)debater before he decided to beome a whiner who can't handle internet life.

This coming from someone who made a pitiful attention whoring post implying I followed him everywhere to flame and troll him when I was neither trolling or flaming him in that convo, and when that statement is patently false. R00fles^100!

It's obviously you who can't handle internet life, so stop trying to project your insecurity on others. It doesn't suit you.

 

[Volourn]

"This coming from someone who made a pitiful attention whoring post implying I followed him everywhere to flame and troll him when I was neither trolling or flaming him in that convo, and when that statement is patently false. R00fles^100!"

Yes, you were. Better read that thread again. You very much were trolling, and flaming me there. Why do you lie?


"It's obviously you who can't handle internet life, so stop trying to project your insecurity on others. It doesn't suit you."

A. I'm all fine with 'internet life.

B. I don't wear suits espicially suits called 'internet life'.

C. I have no insecurity. I'm as safe as anybody can be. I don't even lock my doors! If I had insecurity I wouldn't be giving my address out!

R00fles!

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Yes, you were. Better read that thread again. You very much were trolling, and flaming me there. Why do you lie?

I did read the thread. You obviously didn't. There is not a single statement in that thread where I flame you. And trolling as we know is highly subjective.

So, where is your smoking gun in that thread? In the meantime, while we wait for your brilliant proof, here's something that proves my point:

"He may post like a low level AI "

This comes from someone who called me "smart",.. Oh yeah, that's before you took your little fit so now you flame and troll me everywhere. Cool. Entertainment indeed.

Completely unprovoked (as verified by your own quote of what I said), and it was completely unecessary to bring up past issues into the convo. I didn't do that which you accuse me of now, you did. Yet, we're supposed to believe I do this at every turn.

R00fles indeed.

 

[Volourn]

"He may post like a low level AI"

Right there. That's trolling as you are obviously attacking my suppsoed lack of intelligence as well as basically referring to our past issues. R00fles! how can you NOT read that and claim you weren't flaming me, or using past isnatcnes to do so. Puh-lease!

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

"He may post like a low level AI"

Right there. That's trolling as you are obviously attacking my suppsoed lack of intelligence

Wait, you're agitated because I supposedly attacked your intelligence, yet you can be quoted as implying I'm wrong for calling you intelligent? I didn't know you had exclusivity rights when it came to branding you as unintelligent.

as well as basically referring to our past issues. R00fles!

And tell me, what past issue between us would merit mentioning AIs? I'm curious.

how can you NOT read that and claim you weren't flaming me

So, claiming you post in a certain way is flaming you? Whoa. GRET DETEKTIV WORK THAR! When you get back to our reality, you might want to get a clue on the difference between saying someone posts like a doofus and saying that someone is a doofus.

or using past isnatcnes to do so. Puh-lease!

Why is it so hard for you to admit you were the only one to bring up that, and not me? You have *nothing* that proves your point, just some meager assumptions and an apparent desire to nail me for something I didn't do. Anyone reading the thread will notice you're the first one to kick the dead worse - deal with it.

 

[Volourn]

"I didn't know you had exclusivity rights when it came to branding you as unintelligent."

Because, i'm consistent. i always say i'm stupid. it wasn't too long ago you were saying how 'smart' I was and now it's how 'dumb' I am. I doubt my IQ or hwoever intelligenc eis judged has dropped so drmaatically in such a short time. You eitehr think Im stupid or not. Take your pick and don't be a flip flopper - only losers are flip floppers as Kerry found out.


"When you get back to our reality, you might want to get a clue on the difference between saying someone posts like a doofus and saying that someone is a doofus."

Don't play technicality on me when that's my game. As far as I'm concern when someone says 'ypu post like a doofus' youa re callin' them a doofus. Just like if I post x's post is tupid; it's pretty clear; I'm saying x is stupid.


"You have *nothing* that proves your point, just some meager assumptions and an apparent desire to nail me for something I didn't do. Anyone reading the thread will notice you're the first one to kick the dead worse - deal with it."

All one would have to do is read your post directed at me from a month ago and comapre them to your posts now. There is obviously a HUGE difference. It is all linked to basically 2 threads where we got wild with eahc other and you took it too personally so "you lost respect for me".

R00fles!

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Because, i'm consistent.

So, consistent to you means not liking others suggesting or flat out saying you're unintintelligent, but saying so yourself without a problem?

You eitehr think Im stupid or not.

And this became relevant... when?

Don't play technicality on me when that's my game.

It isn't a technicality, it's a cold hard fact. I didn't flame you.

As far as I'm concern when someone says 'ypu post like a doofus' youa re callin' them a doofus. Just like if I post x's post is tupid; it's pretty clear; I'm saying x is stupid.

Unfortunately things don't work like that. You're the prime example. You've shown to have good reasoning skills in the past and good points (oh, the nostalgia), and your posts are usually garbled up in a way that makes you look like a script kiddie. Yet, that I know of, you're not one. Another example: anyone that makes "stupid" posts, or parts of posts, on purpose filled with 133t speak to mock a certain situation or someone. The posts, or portions of them, come off as stupid posts, yet they don't forcefully indicate anything about the person's intelligence.

All one would have to do is read your post directed at me from a month ago and comapre them to your posts now. There is obviously a HUGE difference. It is all linked to basically 2 threads where we got wild with eahc other and you took it too personally so "you lost respect for me".

This is news? You acted like a shithead in a certain situation. I called you on that, and you walked away conveniently making deaf ears to the things being discussed while accusing me of false attitudes. What you seem to have trouble understanding is that I am not claiming such an event never happened, but rather, that I don't base myself on what happened then to act towards you in any special way now. The very fact I addressed a post or two you made here today in a completely civil manner before you flipped out should be an indication of such.

BUT THATS JUS MAEKS 2 MUC SENSE RITE??!!!

 

[Volourn]

"So, consistent to you means not liking others suggesting or flat out saying you're unintintelligent, but saying so yourself without a problem?"

Actually, you are wrong. I ahve no problems with peopel calling me stupid. i *am* stupid. It's those who like to waffle between me being stupid/nonstupid is the problem.


"I didn't flame you."

Calling some one a low end AI is flaming them, dumbass. See, i just flamed you; but at least I admit it.


"You've shown to have good reasoning skills in the past and good points (oh, the nostalgia), and your posts are usually garbled up in a way that makes you look like a script kiddie."

See, that's where the problem is. You want everyone to believe that somehow my posts have gotten worse in the past money when really the quality of my posts, points, and intelligence (or alck thereof) is exactly the same asit wa sbefore those two threads.

And, no, saying someone's post is stupid is calling them stupid. Don't pretend otherwise.


"The very fact I addressed a post or two you made here today in a completely civil manner before you flipped out should be an indication of such."

WOW! Two whole posts! You SPECIAL! I've had a number of posts with otaku today,and other than him calling me stupid once (whcih Ichuckled at and didn't bother me as it was cool for him to call me stupid) we've exchanged our ideas just fine. face it, because of 2 threads that completely change what you think of me (my view of you hasn't changed at all other than how I eprcieve you percieve me, R00fles!). That's just wack!

Enjoy.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Actually, you are wrong. I ahve no problems with peopel calling me stupid.

Yet you jumped at me for supposedly suggesting you had a low intelligence by claiming you posted like a low level AI.

Is hypocrite the word I'm hearing?

i *am* stupid.

That's good to know. I'll keep that in mind.

It's those who like to waffle between me being stupid/nonstupid is the problem.

Those poor sods.

Calling some one a low end AI is flaming them, dumbass.

I agree. Unfortunately for your attempt to make a point, I didn't call you one, I said you posted like one. Deal with it.

See, i just flamed you; but at least I admit it.

I won't admit something I didn't do just because you can't seem to understand the difference, or won't.

See, that's where the problem is. You want everyone to believe that somehow my posts have gotten worse in the past money when really the quality of my posts, points, and intelligence (or alck thereof) is exactly the same asit wa sbefore those two threads.

Where did this come from? We were discussing something else. How do you go from me claiming I'm not acting differently towards you to the above?

And, no, saying someone's post is stupid is calling them stupid.

Really? Is this a universal rule or law? Is it written anywhere? Can I see it? Or is it in Magical Volo Land, where candy talks and logic balks?

So, tell me this. When you see someone acting paranoid, and you post a message saying they're acting paranoid, are you saying they are always paranoid? When you see someone posting something stupid (in spite of the person always making intelligent posts) and you tell them they've made a stupid post, are you saying they're stupid, period?

Additionally, if you answer "yes" to these questions, has it ever occured to you that not everyone has the same way of dealing with reality that you do? For even more of a MAIND TWISTAH!, has it ever occured to you your way of thinking may not be optimal for the events surrounding you?

Don't pretend otherwise.

Sure. Just as soon as yous stop pretending I called you stupid when I didn't.

WOW! Two whole posts! You SPECIAL!

You obviously AIN'T. Otherwise you would've realized that those two posts are all the proof I need to use against your half-assed "point" that I'm acting differently (or more negatively) towards you. I ain't, and those civil posts before your histrionics show it.

face it, because of 2 threads that completely change what you think of me (my view of you hasn't changed at all other than how I eprcieve you percieve me, R00fles!). That's just wack!

No thread provided radical changes to what I thought of you, but one definetely had me question if I should bother with you ever again due to your overal blatant stupidity in it. I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now I'm questioning myself if the decision was wrong, as you seem to be acting stupid again.

 

[Volourn]

All those words you spouted can be paraphrased as 'Waaaaa!"


" I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt, but now I'm questioning myself if the decision was wrong, as you seem to be acting stupid again."

A. i don't care what you decide

B. I'm not acting stupid again as I am stupid since you just called me stupid; but hey that's kewl; you think adding the word 'acting' somehow makes it a non flame.

R00fles!

 

[DrattedTin]

True enough, but how come BioWare themselves had to split the OC into three or four modules? Given that the whole thing was released at once (with the game), I imagine it was to avoid savegames that would be three times as big as the current ones.

Good point. I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly why they did it. On the other hand, they were originally going to make the NWN campaign into *TONS* of little standalone module (i.e, one level worth of material per tiny module), so that might have been a hold over from that...

Here's an interesting fact: when zipped, rared, aced, or what have you, the modules decline to 10% of their unzipped size. It seems like it wouldn't have been hard to make all modules *save* as compressed, and have the game uncompress them, thus saving tons of space on everything, including saves.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

All those words you spouted can be paraphrased as 'Waaaaa!"

Is this your newfangled way of apologizing for wasting my time again with idiotic filler and trolling, and for not having the least bit of honesty and respect when dealing with others? I accept your apology if that is the case.

If it's not, then it's fine anyway.

A. i don't care what you decide

B. I'm not acting stupid again as I am stupid since you just called me stupid; but hey that's kewl; you think adding the word 'acting' somehow makes it a non flame.

It seems I did make a wrong decision, but rest assured it's going to be corrected, as I don't plan on wasting my time with you, or your dumbfucking attitude again.

 

[Volourn]

"for not having the least bit of honesty and respect when dealing with others?"

I am always honest. And, I respect those who I deem deserve respect.


"Here's an interesting fact: when zipped, rared, aced, or what have you, the modules decline to 10% of their unzipped size. It seems like it wouldn't have been hard to make all modules *save* as compressed, and have the game uncompress them, thus saving tons of space on everything, including saves."

Yeah, too bad.