Review Oblivion(XBox) dry humping at Eurogamer

[Pegultagol]

That is quite an interesting observation, that people today are not generally receptive to the idea of challenges. I agree that the gaming somehow reflects how people prefer easier objectives for purely entertainment purposes, I guess this providing some contrast to their place in reality. I mean it definitely makes sense. Don't get me wrong, I think I'm one of them; I did not usually enjoy hard games in the beginning. But gradually my threshold for more harder games increased for some reason, I think around when GTA: Vice City came out. The gameplay in that game was so addictive the the inane perk for 100% completion did not stop me doing that RC race and ambulence missions for what seemed like the 50th time. I think the level of challenge is also a very important gameplay decision. I am perfectly happy with providing multiple difficulty options, sliders, etc. Also I sometimes find the challenge in FPS like DOD:S (although some may argue there's no challenge in there) quite refreshing. There are some spoiled brats in those kinds of games too, thinking that other players owe them something, but they themselves are on a different stratosphere in terms of skill level...

 

[LlamaGod]

They need to do like what they did in System Shock 1, where they have degrees of difficulties to set for various parts of the game and instead of just 'harder' they get more difficult and more complex.

That way the idiots can have their simple and easy game and I can have my hard and complex game.

Also its nice when a game has some wacky features to be able to tone them specifically down.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

I have to disappoint you. Eurogamer clearly states that 10/10 doesn't mean "perfect game". It doesn't mean it has no flaws and no glitches.

Right. It means the developer is popular. I got that.

 

[Seven]

You're missing the point, you have to use your imagination and imagine that the towns will be destroyed if you don't advance the plot—It’s not the game’s fault that you don’t know how to role play—just like with becoming the leader of all of the guilds, if you can’t imagine a logical reason for that then your imagination is broken.

Use my imagination? What is this, a table-top D&D?

If Bethesda fails to implement something I should just imagine it was there?

Well, in that case, the game is flawless. I can just imagine in whatever it is lacking.

Imagine yourself in world where sarcasm doesn't need those stupid smiley faces.

BTW, if twinfalls is really a woman then I'll eat my hat.

 

[Lumpy]

But if the world was destroyed if the player didn't help it, wouldn't that screw evil players? Forcing dark brothers to save the world would be a bad idea. Maybe, as the emperor dies, you could refuse the amulet, and someone else would save the world.

 

[FaranBrygo]

But if the world was destroyed if the player didn't help it, wouldn't that screw evil players? Forcing dark brothers to save the world would be a bad idea. Maybe, as the emperor dies, you could refuse the amulet, and someone else would save the world.

Now if Oblivion was an RPG the above might be a viable option.

 

[Section8]

Maybe, as the emperor dies, you could refuse the amulet, and someone else would save the world.

A question for those who have experienced the game, spoil me. How do they explain away the fact that you show up at the monastery with the Emperor's amulet right after* he's been killed? Oh, and has anyone tried pawning it?

(or 6 years later. Let's play make believe.)

 

[Rendelius]

I have to disappoint you. Eurogamer clearly states that 10/10 doesn't mean "perfect game". It doesn't mean it has no flaws and no glitches.

Right. It means the developer is popular. I got that.

No. You are missing the point (again).

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.

Does that mean you have no flaws?

Go figure.

 

[Stupid Man]

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.

Are you saying the reviewer is Bethesda's bitch? :shock:

 

[DarkUnderlord]

HAH! Rendelius just got pwned.

Truth be told, is a wife or girlfriend really the best person to rate you? Their opinion is biased by default.

How do they explain away the fact that you show up at the monastery with the Emperor's amulet right after* he's been killed?

Answer me this. How do they know the Emperor's been killed if you're the only surviving witness?

 

[Section8]

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.

What if it's the day after a chance meeting that led to a drunken shotgun wedding in Vegas? Because to be fair, none of these reviewers have spent enough time getting to know their new significant other.

 

[elander_]

But if the world was destroyed if the player didn't help it, wouldn't that screw evil players? Forcing dark brothers to save the world would be a bad idea. Maybe, as the emperor dies, you could refuse the amulet, and someone else would save the world.

The world events are all setup to be played in a certain way and you cannot dodge from that path. So "evil" players only choice is to be "good" players if they want to save Tamriel or else the world will stay in a perpetual state until the player does the "right" thing.

Did you exepect and hardcore old-school crpg where your actions can can shape the world in multiple ways then forget about it. These days are over.

 

[Jiles]

HAH! Rendelius just got pwned.

Truth be told, is a wife or girlfriend really the best person to rate you? Their opinion is biased by default.

How do they explain away the fact that you show up at the monastery with the Emperor's amulet right after* he's been killed?

Answer me this. How do they know the Emperor's been killed if you're the only surviving witness?

Isn't there a guard what talks to your character after the Emporer gets killed? I seem to recall that being the case, but I played that bit 3 days ago and my memory is a wee bit hazy.

 

[Twinfalls]

I'd be more happy if I could actually get a job

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You're obviously a pretty bright kid, so no doubt something decent will turn up. I went through a fearful phase when I finished studies, then I landed something good and realised all that worry was for nought.

Might help if you stopped wasting so much time on gaming boards though.

 

[Twinfalls]

As for the Eurogamer review, some perspective is needed here. Eurogamer writers mostly play console games. They are more intelligent than most other general-gaming site writers, and more PC savvy, but these are not veterans of Daggerfall and Fallout.

Their reviews are genuine, the Oblivion one is genuine. You compare Oblivion to the rest of the Xbox360 titles, and it's like Police Academy 1-8 vs Citizen Kane. These are not serious RPGers, just like they are not serious racing-simulation players, so they talk about PGR3's 'realistic driving model' for example.

 

[EEVIAC]

How do they explain away the fact that you show up at the monastery with the Emperor's amulet right after* he's been killed?

Answer me this. How do they know the Emperor's been killed if you're the only surviving witness?

One of the Blades escapes and he goes off to announce what a useless piece of shit he is. "It's not my fault, the battles were unfairly scaled to my level" are reporterted to be his last words before facing discipline.

To answer Setion8's question, they don't really. He kind of gives you a bit of a look, then tells you where the last known ancestor and saviour of the world is, even though you're a stranger and the rest of the lineage has been murdered. It's assumed that because the existence of Martin is so super-secret (yeah, in a world of Trellis Ggflangg-D'Bor's or whatever the fuck incomprehensible fantasy sounding names TES characters have, the king is named Martin,) you must be genuine.

I haven't been able to sell off the amulet either. You can't even wear it and walk around like a big pimp.

Oh, by the way, spoilers.

 

[Avé]

As for the Eurogamer review, some perspective is needed here. Eurogamer writers mostly play console games. They are more intelligent than most other general-gaming site writers, and more PC savvy, but these are not veterans of Daggerfall and Fallout.

Their reviews are genuine, the Oblivion one is genuine. You compare Oblivion to the rest of the Xbox360 titles, and it's like Police Academy 1-8 vs Citizen Kane. These are not serious RPGers, just like they are not serious racing-simulation players, so they talk about PGR3's 'realistic driving model' for example.

Of course the review is genuine, it still fucking whitewashes over any and all problems the game has, and makes bullshit statements like the combat is vastly improved over morrowinds(its the same 'tard!)

 

[LlamaGod]

I have to disappoint you. Eurogamer clearly states that 10/10 doesn't mean "perfect game". It doesn't mean it has no flaws and no glitches.

Right. It means the developer is popular. I got that.

No. You are missing the point (again).

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.

Does that mean you have no flaws?

Go figure.

BIAS MAKES THE BEST REVIEWS

Maybe thats why everything scores 60%+ at RPGDot?

 

[kris]

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.
.

Mine rated another guy 10/10. I think he sucks and is buggy like hell.

 

[Brother None]

Imagine yourself in world where sarcasm doesn't need those stupid smiley faces.

Heh.

Apologies.

 

[Rendelius]

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.
.

Mine rated another guy 10/10. I think he sucks and is buggy like hell.

Yeah, but she's the judge in that case.

 

[kris]

Got a wife or a girlfriend? She loves you and will rate you 10/10.
.

Mine rated another guy 10/10. I think he sucks and is buggy like hell.

Yeah, but she's the judge in that case.

He bought her out.

 

[Kamaz]

In this case only Rendelius here has actually some clue. Any review is biased by default and even if it is not, it does not matter.

Every reviewer is, first of all, player, and he evaluates game not from some distant point of view, but his very own. If he likes the game (and Oblivion is pretty fine game if you are not looking for RPG..in some cases even if you are), so he can rate it very good. It is stupid to call review biased because...well, it has allways been. The guy likes game, so the game gets 10 out of 10 because the guy likes it totally.

So you all are missing the point. I with Rendelius on this.

 

[Daigoji_Gai]

No, not hard to implement but would require more development time, money, and patience from stock holders and fans.

So, maybe it would have been harder. This isn't 2D sprites, and perhaps the guys should spend more time on dialogue than placing rocks - but that would take away the uniqueness of the world - not something randomly generated 2D tiles that makes it easier to deliver a Fallout experience.

As for the writing and story, reading the books, you find that they are self-aware of the generic fantasy world and poke fun at the world they have created, their DnD roots (Tamriel was created by Bethsoft veterans for a pnp campaign).

Just my five cents as one of the "shameless" media fanbois.

 

[Kamaz]

As for the writing and story, reading the books, you find that they are self-aware of the generic fantasy world and poke fun at the world they have created, their DnD roots (Tamriel was created by Bethsoft veterans for a pnp campaign).

Riiiiiight.

I didnt bash Oblivion because I find it pretty solid game and I disagree with Codex's "it's shit, it sucks" -- its pretty fine game and its definetly much better than most of the hns dungeon crawlers we got recently.

But in no way it is superior or original game. It is vast, pretty big (though I expected somehow bigger from pre-game info) and there are pretty nice quests.

BUT, the storyline.... well, it sucks. It is so generic fantasy, I am about to throw up. In no way they are being ironic or sarcastic...or even self-aware. The setting might be just fine, but story...come on, it stinks. Its like vomit that's been eaten and then vomited again. No man, really, how exactly big fanboy it is required to be to actually like the story?

Oblivion has many strong sides, but story and interaction definetly isnt one of them.