Obsidian in chart

[Volourn]

"-overland map with skillchecks
-party dialogue
-tons of skill checks
-different dialogue if you worship the proper god, are of specific race, class and so on- even if sometimes it doesn't change anything it adds to this thing bethesda invented called "immersion"."

All meaningless if the actual game is shit.

And, they didn't 'add' anything since aoo of this shit was included in other games before.

 

[IronicNeurotic]

That's actually pretty close to what i'd have.

This is the key to understanding and subsequently ignoring DriacKin.

The very wise horse speaks yet more truth.

 

[Black]

"-overland map with skillchecks
-party dialogue
-tons of skill checks
-different dialogue if you worship the proper god, are of specific race, class and so on- even if sometimes it doesn't change anything it adds to this thing bethesda invented called "immersion"."

All meaningless if the actual game is shit.

And, they didn't 'add' anything since aoo of this shit was included in other games before.

But can I kiss you?

 

[santino27]

"-overland map with skillchecks
-party dialogue
-tons of skill checks
-different dialogue if you worship the proper god, are of specific race, class and so on- even if sometimes it doesn't change anything it adds to this thing bethesda invented called "immersion"."

All meaningless if the actual game is shit.

And, they didn't 'add' anything since aoo of this shit was included in other games before.

I actually agree with Volourn. SoZ added a lot of good improvements to the NWN2 formula, as itemized above, but the game itself was shit, utterly uninvolving, and (like most of Obsidian's releases, unfortunately) half-assed.

 

[Lumpy]

There's no reason to put KotOR2 above the Banal Shit Boring category. It describes it perfectly.

 

[Xor]

I'm waiting for someone to make "The Codex in chart" with a bunch of posters. I would do it but I'm lazy.

 

[J_C]

"-overland map with skillchecks
-party dialogue
-tons of skill checks
-different dialogue if you worship the proper god, are of specific race, class and so on- even if sometimes it doesn't change anything it adds to this thing bethesda invented called "immersion"."

All meaningless if the actual game is shit.

And, they didn't 'add' anything since aoo of this shit was included in other games before.

What the fuck are you talking about? So since these gameplay elements were in other games before, they don't add anything to SOZ? Sorry, I didn't know that party dialogue and skill checks feature can not be used in other games. FFS, one of the reasons why we are raging about DA2 is the lack of (non-combat) skill checks. You also talked about this. Now you are flip-flopping and saying that these are meaningless. What's wrong with you? I know what's your problem. Since you can't defend Bioware any more after what they have done, you are shitting on every other developer and their games. Just to prove that Bioware is not the worst.

 

[Serious_Business]

Let the butthurt ensue...

p. effective so far

 

[DarthBehemoth]

Obsidian really developed some of the best RPGs of the last decade (MotB & New Vegas). Just sayin.

 

[Hegel]

I do not agree
Sith Lords: Good for what it was
MoTB: Heaven
NWN2: Worse than Oblivion
Alpha Protocol: Banal shit boring
SoZ: Good for what it was
NV: Good for what it was.

SoZ bashing is stupid, the game was worth the 15$ you paid for it, the rest is our typical princess' rambling.

 

[Volourn]

i PAID $40 ON soz. jUST SAYIN'.


"You also talked about this. Now you are flip-flopping and saying that these are meaningless. What's wrong with you? I know what's your problem."

No flip floppin' dumbo. Perhaps, you just can't read properly.

 

[Hegel]

i PAID $40 ON soz. jUST SAYIN'.

Bad for you, I got it from Play.com one week after release for 15EU + shipping prices (bought about 30 items that day, so shipping was divided among).
And I wasn't even looking to save money, I just wanted to get a batch of titles in their native language.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Alpha Protocol was a damn good game and a flawed gem.

LAEVE APLHA BROTOCOLS ALOEN

 

[Volourn]

Bullshit. It was just plain 'ol fashin shit. DTU, POR2, EOTB level type of shit.

 

[sgc_meltdown]

Obsidian should sell the Alpha Protocol IP to Bethesda instead and let them revive the spy rpg genre.

 

[Lumpy]

I do not agree
Sith Lords: Good for what it was
MoTB: Heaven
NWN2: Worse than Oblivion
Alpha Protocol: Banal shit boring
SoZ: Good for what it was
NV: Good for what it was.

SoZ bashing is stupid, the game was worth the 15$ you paid for it, the rest is our typical princess' rambling.

Change your avatar, first time I saw this post I thought this was Management's official opinion.

 

[Hegel]

I do not agree
Sith Lords: Good for what it was
MoTB: Heaven
NWN2: Worse than Oblivion
Alpha Protocol: Banal shit boring
SoZ: Good for what it was
NV: Good for what it was.

SoZ bashing is stupid, the game was worth the 15$ you paid for it, the rest is our typical princess' rambling.

Change your avatar, first time I saw this post I thought this was Management's official opinion.

In fact it is, given how our mighty Overlord quoted an identical post of mine in a similar thread some time ago.

 

[Lumpy]

I do not agree
Sith Lords: Good for what it was
MoTB: Heaven
NWN2: Worse than Oblivion
Alpha Protocol: Banal shit boring
SoZ: Good for what it was
NV: Good for what it was.

SoZ bashing is stupid, the game was worth the 15$ you paid for it, the rest is our typical princess' rambling.

Change your avatar, first time I saw this post I thought this was Management's official opinion.

In fact it is, given how our mighty Overlord quoted an identical post of mine in a similar thread some time ago.

Management is fickle and his opinion may change from one thread to another. To know his mind is to know death.

 

[DriacKin]

SoZ bashing is stupid, the game was worth the 15$ you paid for it

No it's not. I praised MotB by putting it in the 'HEAVAN' category, despite it only being 12-15 hrs long. Therefore, it is perfectly legitimate to bash SoZ for being 5-10 of the least enjoyable hours I've ever spent gaming.

 

[J_C]

SoZ for being 5-10 of the least enjoyable hours I've ever spent gaming.

You probably don't game much if that was the least enjoyable game for you. I mean there are much more more awful games out there.

 

[Jools]

I actually liked Brotocol more than NWN2. The rest is just perfect.

 

[commie]

Bullshit. It was just plain 'ol fashin shit. DTU, POR2, EOTB level type of shit.

Stop the liez, start the truthz!

 

[a budda]

where's that arcania LP?

 

[Kaanyrvhok]

Sith Lords: Great character development. Everything else was ok.
MoTB: Good. Somewhat overrated
NWN2: Good just stupid so I want to say I didnt like it but its a guilty pleasure I cant deny.
SoZ: Loved it. Dont understand the hate at all. Had more fun with it than Motb
NV: Still haven't played enough of it.

 

[commie]

where's that arcania LP?

You'll get a 2 for the price of 1 when Fall of Shitariff is released.