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People News ObsidiLeaks: The Chris Avellone May of Rage Archive

Tigranes

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I called IHaveAHugeNick a shill when I was hiding his Obsidian developer past and took away "shill" when he became public about it - and now, going back through the responses in this, I realize I was coasting off my poor wordplay with "colossal fatass" (referring to myself) in insulting Nick with fuckery. How derivative.

I don't think I called Infinitron a hack or shill, I had mentioned I didn't think he posted news - he finds news but the way he posts it (like with this piece) adds a spin to things that didn't have it before based on his own perspective, which may be (but not always) incorrect.

His dramatic headlines were what caused some unusual reactions to happen in the past, although they were overall good for me, it wasn't because they were true at all.

I don't mind if you feel you have to embellish or add your opinions to a piece, but at that point, you don't call it news - you call it a community update, an editorial commentary, big ol' pile o' stuff, or something that isn't news. It's not even an insult to him, just a point I'm making.

I'm used to his word framing of his releases by now to the point I feel he should be dubbed Inflamatron, and will lobby incessantly to make it so.

Also, on a serious note - which I brought up already: before he posts here, or worse, decides to go to other forums and posts, he should make absolutely certain he knows what facts he's posting - because aside from the drama, if it's incorrect, it probably won't end well.


Is it really fair to hold Infinitron to a higher standard than most professional journalists are held to? I’d love it if we lived in a world where every publication did its damnedest to distinguish between fact and speculation; unfortunately that world vanished a long time ago. Sure, this style would never fly at The New York Times or The Washington Post or even USA TODAY, but it would fit right in at any British tabloid you’d care to name (and if The Sun can get away with it despite the UK’s harsh libel laws, I doubt Inflamatron Will have any problems). Given that the main attraction here is the gossip factor, that seems fitting.

I would really, really like to think that we're better than the Daily Mail, because that shit is more cancerous and embarrassing to society than Arcania is to RPGs

Dumb shitstirring is dumb whoever does it wherever
 

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true story - we had at least one instance where expenses to employees weren't paid back - not employee paychecks like I brought up before, but employee expenses - all because Feargus admitted in an email he wanted the company financials to look as good as possible for his own house refinance)
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Is it really fair to hold Infinitron to a higher standard than most professional journalists are held to? I’d love it if we lived in a world where every publication did its damnedest to distinguish between fact and speculation; unfortunately that world vanished a long time ago. Sure, this style would never fly at The New York Times or The Washington Post or even USA TODAY, but it would fit right in at any British tabloid you’d care to name (and if The Sun can get away with it despite the UK’s harsh libel laws, I doubt Inflamatron Will have any problems). Given that the main attraction here is the gossip factor, that seems fitting.

I will never give up the fight. It only takes one or two, "but I heard somewhere..." comments on the net, and I'll push for a source - or provide it.

Arguably, I never would have come to the Codex a while ago if I had not seen the incorrect specs on the NWN2 companions, because I knew someone would cite the post as a fact if I didn't swoop in - and I did it to correct it, not because I thought having written the NWN2 companions would somehow make me look good (I wasn't proud of my work on them, and I didn't think I did a very good job).
 
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I'd like to take this unique opportunity to personally thank Chris Avellone for Torment because it's my fondiest memory in more than three decades of gaming, and wish him good luck with all his future endeavors and family matters...

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Again, old story, but thought I was going to get fired over it (we didn't know how the reception would be).
 

Curious_Tongue

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It also helps when your living expenses amount to a few hundred bucks each week
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I think Chris has married into money.

The answer's the same as in the doc. Took time, I work a lot of hours, but was worth it in the end.

It also helps when your living expenses amount to a few hundred bucks each week, you don't need to drive, and your hobby is your job.

I'm not flush, but I never spend more than I earn - I keep a budget, and I never go into debt (the debts I had at the end of Obsidian I took on were not my own).

I will say when you have debts like that, it made it all the more frustrating when expenses weren't paid back, especially for questionable reasons (true story - we had at least one instance where expenses to employees weren't paid back - not employee paychecks like I brought up before, but employee expenses - all because Feargus admitted in an email he wanted the company financials to look as good as possible for his own house refinance).
This Feargus joker can go suck an egg, in my opinion, sorry if that's offensive but I speak my mind.
 

Junmarko

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What do you think about the engagement system in Pillars of Eternity?
I don't have an opinion, I'm sorry.
I agree I feel Pillars combat is overly complicated and the more moving parts you have, the more you have to juggle to feel right, but it is billed as a combat-focused game, and I freely admit I can't even fight an Arcanum wolf successfully, so I'd take my opinion with a grain of salt. I think inheriting the D&D spell and class systems is partly the reason for the over-complication as well (I tend to prefer the Fallout approach that I still feel allows for a lot of types of characters, and a lot of role-playing who you want to be).

Chris Avellone

An approach most people here would be in favour of for sure :cool:


But aren't publishers put-off by CRPGs using a GURPS approach, even more so than DnD+RtwP?

How would you reinvent Fallout 1&2's delivery to better sustain a future project?
 

Kyl Von Kull

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I will never give up the fight. It only takes one or two, "but I heard somewhere..." comments on the net, and I'll push for a source - or provide it.

Arguably, I never would have come to the Codex a while ago if I had not seen the incorrect specs on the NWN2 companions, because I knew someone would cite the post as a fact if I didn't swoop in - and I did it to correct it, not because I thought having written the NWN2 companions would somehow make me look good (I wasn't proud of my work on them, and I didn't think I did a very good job).

You are the Tom Joad of online misinformation.

I can’t be the only one whose first thought upon seeing this is, “better crank out some more misinformation then!”
 

Invictus

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I have always thought Fergus was a doddering idiot.... but now it seems his froggy face is equal to his bootlicking
Most of us suspected the separation from Obsidian was less than amicable but reading all that shit that went down, man even worse than I though
I too have worked in places where the asskissing to the higher ups created a culture similar to what Mr Avellone described and I really applaud his bravery of finally coming out with these statments, takes a lot of guts but in the end the price of personal freedom is worth it
I too would like to congratulate you Mr Avellone; so many great games like Torment and KOTOR 2 make you one of my favorite writers and I truly thank you
Hell, with all your many freelance projects you should be just fine... hopefully all the asskissing from fanbois won’t go to your head
 

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I will never give up the fight. It only takes one or two, "but I heard somewhere..." comments on the net, and I'll push for a source - or provide it.

Arguably, I never would have come to the Codex a while ago if I had not seen the incorrect specs on the NWN2 companions, because I knew someone would cite the post as a fact if I didn't swoop in - and I did it to correct it, not because I thought having written the NWN2 companions would somehow make me look good (I wasn't proud of my work on them, and I didn't think I did a very good job).

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Anyway, if the original megathread retires to retardoland at some point, the original pages which included MCA/Fenstermaker posts are archived here:

http://archive.is/Kf5AL
http://archive.is/rnQlq (Fenstermaker)
http://archive.is/wELyy
http://archive.is/YCB7s
http://archive.is/jBYA6
http://archive.is/eyzgv
http://archive.is/F76hy (mca pg47)
http://archive.is/9wGOr mca52
http://archive.is/0Weky mca54
http://archive.is/fsb4Y mca55
http://archive.is/NWYji mca56
http://archive.is/0o1Xz mca58
http://archive.is/URE7Y mca69
http://archive.is/ACjN8 mca79
http://archive.is/F6AsR mca80
http://archive.is/Ve4Jn mca86
http://archive.is/vVTjC mca87
http://archive.is/sOEQT mca93
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http://archive.is/SWGEC mca119
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http://archive.is/niAjg mca123
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http://archive.is/p0MoB mca125
http://archive.is/kY8w6 mca126
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http://archive.is/34qBe mca128
http://archive.is/AWdxb mca139
http://archive.is/Ii6nL mca140
http://archive.is/n8g92 mca141
http://archive.is/aCRpm mca142
http://archive.is/abiZw mca143
http://archive.is/0v2Ka mca144
http://archive.is/HuZTa mca147
http://archive.is/b08Ox mca148
http://archive.is/j1WmD mca149
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http://archive.is/X5e1p mca153
http://archive.is/vgoDM mca154
http://archive.is/xFREL mca155
http://archive.is/ubCB8 mca156
http://archive.is/KjiqN mca167
http://archive.is/4fElT mca170
http://archive.is/vyvPT mca171
http://archive.is/y62n4 mca175
http://archive.is/HAOhf mca176
http://archive.is/8jDxM mca181
http://archive.is/5HOe7 mca182
http://archive.is/cqo6v mca183
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http://archive.is/n5hgt mca203
 
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Was there ever at least something he did to thank the employees for this? Basically, he gave them no other chance than to help him getting a better refinance deal. Btw. were the expenses never paid back or just withheld for some time?

They weren't paid back for a year - at least. (The employees were unaware for the reason for the delay.)

EDIT: So the worst part? The employees never know - while airing it may seem bad form, is concealing these decisions any better? Does refinancing a house mean the company and its employees are treated better? It requires an ability to think outside yourself and put yourself in another's place - but is that so hard when you've hired the person in question?

And for anyone seeing it/hearing a decision like this - my opinion, as an owner, you don't put your needs first. You are supposed to be protecting and paying back your employees - they make the games, they are the ones you rely on. I can't even explain choices like this, they're so self-serving, you wonder why we work on team projects at all.
 
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man, I tried keeping up with the main thread this last week or so..... such good drama. Unfortunately, doing so meant I had to call in sick to work in order to have the free time necessary to not fall impossibly behind the leading edge of this epic drama tsunami. I called out sick 4 days this last week and have only eaten lucky charms and left over Halloween candy for about 7-8 days because I did not want to waste time going to the grocery store. As it turns out, laying in bed for 8 straight days eating mainly sugar is bad for your digestion. I have now become severely constipated as I believe its been 7-8 days since I had a proper sit down.....I have this dreaded fear of being one of those people my wife has described to me who end up in the ER with a nurse using forceps, gloves, and a high pressured water hose to work out fossilized feces, clump by clump.

In addition to this, I am now in not my bosses favorite employee...I hope I can salvage my job. He has become suspicious and is demanding a written doctor note that I am healthy enough to come back to work. Obviously he could give a fuck about my health--he is just hoping to catch me in a lie. Lucky for me though because the impacted bowel I mentioned above could actually end up being what saves my stupid ass (so to speak). Not going outside for about 8 days also seems to be unhealthy for my skin. I am sort of looking steve bannon like. All that being said, the humiliation of going public at work with my impacted bowel, the literal pain in my ass and the itchy flaky red skin blotches have all been worth this historic Drama......the drama God sometimes demands sacrifice and I am doing just doing my part.

Would read again.
 

aratuk

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Old thread is dead, long live the new thread ?

We should only post secrets in here we don't want Infinitron to know about. Shhhhhh.

"Yes, let's migrate to the new thread. Everyone, move along... that's it... that's it."

But the old thread is still for serious discussion, and the new thread is for Feargus Urquhart erotic fanfiction. Right?

Pretty sure Infinitron already knows about that.
 

Morkar Left

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Wow, Feargus is quite a scumback! (see page 17 of the summary). He must have leaned a lot from Herve.
 

Infinitron

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Back in 2015, right around the same time Chris Avellone left, Feargus gave a talk at IGDA Montreal where he was quite frank about the aggressive culture at Interplay and how it affected him: http://www.rpgcodex.net/article.php?id=9929

Unfortunately it seems that the video has been taken down, but I jotted down some summaries in the Obsidian thread while watching it: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-discussion-thread.84849/page-85#post-3962999

One of the reasons I don't think Feargus is a sociopath is that he seems regretful about these things.
 

Jaedar

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Chris: Ok guys, I'm gonna stop posting for a while
Infinitron: *seizes opportunity to post a '''summary'''*
Chris: *Immediately starts posting again*

This is some next level trolling for sure.
 

Your Kindness

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Chris: Ok guys, I'm gonna stop posting for a while
Infinitron: *seizes opportunity to post a '''summary'''*
Chris: *Immediately starts posting again*

This is some next level trolling for sure.
That's just a relaxed mode of posting, it seems. We have yet to see MCA's final form.
 

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