Incline Opinions on How Far Violent Gaming Should Go

[MadMaxHellfire]

I like when a heroic guy shoots the fuck out of evil villains and gets babes/riches/babes&riches

the show sucked, but i wholeheartedly appreciated "the punisher" ending. the mortally wounded antagonist "come close, let's have this cathartic moment of me explaining my reasons so that you can sympathize", so the punisher approaches him and shoots him in the face. frank castle deserves more pussy than duke nukem.

 

[The Decline]

It looks goofy as shit when you riddle an enemy with bullets, slice them up with a sword, or blow them up with an explosion and there is little to no damage shown in response. Unless your game is supposed to be a cartoon I want to see a proper reaction to violence.

 

[NecroLord]

I want to see a proper reaction to violence.

Which is exactly what I was saying.
Soldier of Fortune.
COD: World at War.
And other pertinent examples.
Make violence and getting shot look really, really painful and unpleasant.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Once in a while a jump-scare or perceived jump-scare gets me going esp in a shooter like doom. OTP shit? I dunno.

 

[Drakortha]

Resident Evil was my first exposure to true video game violence. Then Resident Evil 2 took it to the next level with civilians getting torn apart in Raccoon City during the intro, with all the blood and gore sounds. But I think it was more than just the blood and gore that made it violent. It was also the music and the atmosphere. It was dark.

I wish they'd gone all the way with the violence RE2 in remake. Look at this death scene. When I first saw this I was waiting for Leon's head to get torn off. But instead he just struggles a bit and goes limp;

 

[NecroLord]

Resident Evil was my first exposure to true video game violence. Then Resident Evil 2 took it to the next level with civilians getting torn apart in Raccoon City during the intro, with all the blood and gore sounds. But I think it was more than just the blood and gore that made it violent. It was also the music and the atmosphere. It was dark.

I wish they'd gone all the way with the violence RE2 in remake. Look at this death scene. When I first saw this I was waiting for Leon's head to get torn off. But instead he just struggles a bit and goes limp;

You cannot have a game with zombies in it and not have gore...
Zombies and Gore are nigh inseparable.

 

[Old Hans]

There are a few older threads (probably far more than I cared to search on) that touched on the violent gaming market.

Gore and Violence in gaming, two recent opinions​

Edgy, violent games (mostly shooters)​

Most violent computer games​

What made me even bother with this thread was a video:


I honestly don't mind violence in gaming. Hell, given some thought any game could be considered violent if you use your imagination. In the end it is just pixels and programming but I'm sure psychologists and media agenda agencies would paint a far different picture the conform with what ever is controlling or gives them headlines to influence who watches or listens or reads their drivel. Opinions and assholes as they say.

I'm also curious which games members actually find meh, bleh, ok, decent, good, or fantastic. Which are modable, which have sequels or possibly sequels in the making, and if the game has a franchise that has stayed great or become rubbish.

Now, I enjoyed the original postal when it came out. As with games that had such wonky fuck controls of the time on the old computer hardware I had you learned to become good, memorize how it played, remember enemy placement, and predict movement and tactics. It was a simple game and I still laugh at the voice acting.

Hatred, I never played but I might purchase; I guess it is still on steam so the workshops might be appealing.

Further back, I enjoyed:
Doom (just about all incarnations)
Duke Nukem 3D
Splatter house 3 (genesis)
Barbarian I
Axe of Rage (barbarian II c64)

And probably a lot more that really have zilch for gore. I mean, I enjoyed using remote missiles in NES Metal Gear exploding everyone or sneaking up on goons and stun punching them to death. You could count the literal sub-seconds in your head before they'd get a chance to sound an alarm.

I suppose pac-man is either an exorcist or just a terrorist bent on power.

Mr. Do is a crazy clown.

Mario is a stoner bent on murder as well in hopes to get some princess cooch but Toadstool makes me think she is a he and the plumber has a mushroom fetish. Maybe he rapes all those toads before murdering them in another castle. Maybe Bowser is protecting the Kingdom.

We'll never know.

Last of Us 2 was a little too realistic

 

[HumanTotemPole]

I've occasionally reflected on the subject since the last little group discussion. For me the issue is often sadism. Very easy to get very off-putting very quickly when present to the point that I'm increasingly of the opinion you need to be a Hooper circa 1974 level talent to successfully use sadistic violence as an element in your work.

Annoyingly and increasingly it seems to be the dominant vibe in mainstream depictions of extreme violence regardless of whether it fits the cultural product in question. Little place for heroic bloodshed or fun excess and exploitation. Maybe a warped virtue-signalling thing? As in our enlightened vision for society says fictional violence cannot be entertaining or righteous so it has to be Eli Roth’s Rusty Bear Trap Fetish regardless of the context.

Edit: re the video. Never got the controversy re Hatred - very clearly a work of exploitation, nothing beyond that. Basically a mass shooter satire. The grimy violence is entirely tonally appropriate.

 

[Dark Souls II]

Realistic violence is a matter of immersion. If I chop someone with a sword, or shoot with a shotgun to the face, or set on fire, he will not leave a pristine corpse. Dismemberment should be the absolute minimum standard in any game (even Jedi Outcast let you dismember limbs). RPGs are especially under-violent. When my mage throws a fireball at someone, I'd like to see a realistic burning to death animation like in Postal 2, and I want to see a beautiful charred corpse (in glorious isometric 2d, it can be just a few pixels, but it must look crispy). Fallout 1&2 were right about this sort of thing. All games should be as violent as possible so that when women or journalists start playing them they start puking themselves and sobbing uncontrollably. In a game like an FPS, I'd also like a realistic simulation of internal organs and bodily fluids with their own physics. I think the only game that had an enemy gib into separate organs was Cruelty Squad. It should be the standard.

 

[Gerrard]

People who obsess over gore are even worse than people who obsess over porn.
They should be on a watchlist.

 

[Vic]

Why yes I'd like to disembowel my enemies and wear their innards around my neck. Why is there no game like this yet?

 

[mondblut]

FPS violence is lame.

Give us genocide, civilian massacres, slavery and mass rape.

 

[Fargus]

Why yes I'd like to disembowel my enemies and wear their innards around my neck. Why is there no game like this yet?

You can wear skin and bone armor in The Forest games and make effigies from severed bodyparts... aside from cannibalism.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

Why yes I'd like to disembowel my enemies and wear their innards around my neck. Why is there no game like this yet?

You can wear skin and bone armor in The Forest games and make effigies from severed bodyparts... aside from cannibalism.

Don't forget eating them for survival

I climbed some weird tall structure on the beach and when I looked down there were a few cannibals waiting for me at the bottom

Spoiler

Felt good to track them down and eat them.

 

[Fargus]

It's disappointing they never went anywhere with the sanity system though. Could have at least made the main character experience halucinations and have a different ending if you go nuts from all the butchery and cannibalism.

Still love the game. Had tons of fun trying to wage Vlad The Impaler type of psychological warfare on local freaks.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

People who obsess over gore are even worse than people who obsess over porn.
They should be on a watchlist.

we are ALL on a watchlist; many of them. IT IS TOO LATE!!!

 

[JarlFrank]

i love ultraviolence!!



This game's demo has become one of my most-played games of the year. Chopping off limbs and tearing out guts and hearing the wounded scream in agony as I leave them behind instead of giving them a merciful death never gets old.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Games are too sanitized these days. Violence is a good way for gatekeeping.

 

[NaturallyCarnivorousSheep]

Until I get to torture and rape hundreds of slaves in most AAA games released yearly it's not brutal enough.

 

[NecroLord]

Until I get to torture and rape hundreds of slaves in most AAA games released yearly it's not brutal enough.

 

[Lagi]

Violence is like money... the more, the better

this is good violence:

lots of details. you see the impact of the shot on body. nice animation of collapse. it makes you feel something

this is bad violence:

"hey guys i find new mod!! i look at monsters and they transform into a mesh of red pixels. And the wall texture get red too!"

good doom violence

 

[luj1]

The world was a better place back when we had Mortal Kombat, Quake and Postal, funnily enough

 

[Lagi]

The world was a better place back when we had Mortal Kombat, Blood and Postal, funnily enough

FIFY

 

[thesecret1]

Gore is and should be, first of all, a stylistic choice, much like how far sexual themes go in games. Is the game leaning into being a shooter full of explosions and mountains of corpses? Then it could probably use enemies bursting into gibbets of gore and copious amounts of blood. Is the game, instead, meant to be a realistic and serious piece displaying the horrors of WW1 trench warfare? Then it could probably use a very different kind of gore, with infections and gaping wounds rather than gibbets. And if the game's meant to be carried in a more fantastical, optimistic tone, then it should perhaps not have much gore at all, as it'd just be disruptive.

Just like there's no rule that mandates that a book must or mustn't be a comedy, there should be no rule mandating that there must or mustn't be gore – it should be left to the developer and his vision for whatever he's creating.

 

[DicLupa]

I can be relatively squeamish about gore, but it's really more about expressions of visceral agony. Be it a film or a game, I'm fine with heads exploding and guts being ripped out. I DON'T like people screaming and moaning for minutes on end. So if you're gonna have that shit, you better earn it.