Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Tigranes]

Yeah, I found this guy while googling some builds, but I'm not going to read anything from him. Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is. Nobody has the time to go through that shit just for some munchkin tips unless they're 12.

 

[Pink Eye]

Yeah, I found this guy while googling some builds, but I'm not going to read anything from him. Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is. Nobody has the time to go through that shit just for some munchkin tips unless they're 12.

>Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is
Yeeeah. Just like the old steam days.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Planning my build, every guide seems to go dodge AC from monk + crane feats + dazzle/shatter + sneak attacks + Magus/Sorcerer powers. Reminds me of the old BG2 Kensai/Wizard dual class; invariably any build someone asked about you would get told "play kensai mage" over and over again. It wasn't even that good of a build. Not everyone wants to play a micro-heavy spellcaster hybrid, and Dragon Disciple is the gayest class ever.

Anyway, I am trying out Freebooter because everyone says it's good. So far fine, the party buff is nice but is it really worth favored enemy and pet? I always forget to use it. Probably better on higher diffs. It's nice getting dual wielding for "free" (no dex requirements) but 17 dex is easy to hit anyway, third attack isn't that great with -10, and I'm missing fighter feats. I want to mix in fighter 5 for Effortless Dual and be a twin-falcata critical buzzsaw of doom. That will leave me AC starved so Crane monk exploit looks enticing; question is it better to waste a feat on unarmed strike or take the monk level that will do nothing else for me? Hmm. I wonder if I should just suck it up and do fighter/vivi. Hmmmm.

As always the question isn't just what build will be good at level 20 but also levels 1-19. I don't mind abusing respec though so we'll see.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is.

He is correct and you are just jealous, stupid Westerners. Zadornov was right!

 

[Daidre]

Anyway, I am trying out Freebooter because everyone says it's good. So far fine, the party buff is nice but is it really worth favored enemy and pet? I always forget to use it. Probably better on higher diffs. It's nice getting dual wielding for "free" (no dex requirements) but 17 dex is easy to hit anyway, third attack isn't that great with -10, and I'm missing fighter feats. I want to mix in fighter 5 for Effortless Dual and be a twin-falcata critical buzzsaw of doom. That will leave me AC starved so Crane monk exploit looks enticing; question is it better to waste a feat on unarmed strike or take the monk level that will do nothing else for me? Hmm. I wonder if I should just suck it up and do fighter/vivi. Hmmmm.

You could also check Slayer: sneak attack + full bab + ranger styles + rogue advanced talents + extra feat every 2 levels + his own tricks.
This class like fighter/thief on steroids, and combo like 4 Rogue/16 Slayer is pure murder. (level 2-4 rogue taken after lvl 10 Slayer for advanced talents)

 

[Pink Eye]

Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is.

He is correct and you are just jealous, stupid Westerners. Zadornov was right!

I love Lann. He makes me laugh. Good guy this poster.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

(level 2-4 rogue taken after lvl 10 Slayer for advanced talents)

According to the Wiki slayer already gets rogue advanced talents at level 10. But that does look like it would work better with Fighter with less multiclassing.

 

[Tigranes]

I'm doing the 4 Rogue / Slayer on Nok-Nok. I don't know if it's worse than pure rogue, but he certainly carves it up just fine.

Studied Enemy isn't something I use a lot with turn-based, though. PKM TBS has the same issues as Deadfire's TBS, in that the way it breaks up time / action economy differently can make certain things less valuable. (Also that thing where if you start your turn 0.05ft out of range of an enemy you'll do one standard attack instead of the 6 your hasted noknok could).

 

[Sjukob]

(Also that thing where if you start your turn 0.05ft out of range of an enemy you'll do one standard attack instead of the 6 your hasted noknok could).

Use 5 foot step, you would be able to perform full round action afterwards.

 

[Shadenuat]

thankfully enemies are unaware of 5 ft step so they also usually do 1 attack if you play your cards right before getting destroyed by party, which is 99% of TB tactic

 

[Pink Eye]

What is 5 ft step?

 

[Sjukob]

thankfully enemies are unaware of 5 ft step so they also usually do 1 attack if you play your cards right before getting destroyed by party, which is 99% of TB tactiс

Surprise round is also a big factor in that.

What is 5 ft step?

 

[Ladonna]

Just bought it on sale. Hopefully it is actually finished now...

Quick question; Do I need to stuff around worrying about multiclassing? Or can you get where you need to go just staying with a class? I come from a 1st/2nd edtion dnd world, and only learned the bare essentials of 3E+ for TOEE. I don't give a rats about powergaming to the ninth degree either.

 

[Pink Eye]

Huh. I take it that won't work in real time?

 

[fantadomat]

Just bought it on sale. Hopefully it is actually finished now...

Quick question; Do I need to stuff around worrying about multiclassing? Or can you get where you need to go just staying with a class? I come from a 1st/2nd edtion dnd world, and only learned the bare essentials of 3E+ for TOEE. I don't give a rats about powergaming to the ninth degree either.

It is a team game,it doesn't really matter if you multiclass or not,just do whatever you feel like doing. I personally never multiclass.

 

[Shadenuat]

Most classes are surprisingly competent at what they do so pure level 20 chars are for the most part, fine.
The subclasses can be trap choices though, but are easy to spot (like trading animal companion for some extra fire spells as Ranger etc.)

 

[Sjukob]

Huh. I take it that won't work in real time?

I don't play real-time, but I believe if you move 5 feet or less during a round you can still do a full attack, and 5 foot step isn't a feature in the original game, instead you have mobility skill.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Huh. I take it that won't work in real time?

I don't play real-time, but I believe if you move 5 feet or less during a round you can still do a full attack, and 5 foot step isn't a feature in the original game, instead you have mobility skill.

I don't think this is quite right. As I recall rtwp was full of small movement followed by a single attack which is what often buggered up magus' spell strike.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Gentlemen. It is time I tell you the truth. My war against Ineffect has ended in utter failure! I tried to take him in his own home turf. But he ended up just agreeing with me. What the fuck.

Greatest victory is battle not fought

 

[Daidre]

According to the Wiki slayer already gets rogue advanced talents at level 10. But that does look like it would work better with Fighter with less multiclassing.

Slayer, Vivi and Archaeologist do not get all advanced talents. Adding more Rogue levels later allows to take Opportunist and Double Debilitation - and both are excellent.

Imho, Fighter became obsolete in any damage-focused build after Slayer was added into the game. Weapon/Armor Training and Weapon Specialization are the only things of note he has, since slayer also gets extra feats every odd level and full bab, but 6d6 sneak and ranger styles make it no-competition.
Also, best thing about Studied Target is that you do not need to apply it manually every time - landing one Sneak is enough for auto. Huge difference with Freebooter's Bane (that one is party wide though) microing which grows old really fast.

And, on top of that, Slayer also got a ton of skill points and Trickery/Persuasion/Perception as class skill and can even get Trapfinding in the talents that allows him to be Party's Thief/Perception spec or just hog all xp from skill checks (when option is set in difficulty menu).

 

[Pink Eye]

Ok guys. I fucked up the statue puzzle. Is there any way to reset besides reloading?

Spoiler

 

[Pink Eye]

Never mind, I ended up just leaving and moving on. I got the second door open though, but not the other one with the slime.

 

[Tigranes]

(Also that thing where if you start your turn 0.05ft out of range of an enemy you'll do one standard attack instead of the 6 your hasted noknok could).

Use 5 foot step, you would be able to perform full round action afterwards.

I do - sometimes that gets me 0.01m away. So that means, say, move a tiny bit & 1 attack that round, instead of 7 per round.

Also Pink Eye uh 2000 hours... well, I guess no reason to know about 5ft step if it's all on RTWP. Try pen and paper sometime.

 

[Dr Skeleton]

Just bought it on sale. Hopefully it is actually finished now...

Quick question; Do I need to stuff around worrying about multiclassing? Or can you get where you need to go just staying with a class? I come from a 1st/2nd edtion dnd world, and only learned the bare essentials of 3E+ for TOEE. I don't give a rats about powergaming to the ninth degree either.

No. On challenging (which I recommend, below that you're basically untouchable by chapter 2) you should be fine doing whatever with a single class. Just read what feats and spells do, take what seems good and you’ll be alright.

 

[Jarpie]

Yeah, I found this guy while googling some builds, but I'm not going to read anything from him. Dude seems to pop up all over the Internet preening over how important he is and how wrong everybody else is. Nobody has the time to go through that shit just for some munchkin tips unless they're 12.

He must be a modder too.