Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Safav Hamon]

Deadfire's itemization is also on another level than Kingmaker.

Awesome Itemization

Shit Itemization

 

[Cael]

You act as if pointing flaws in the game is somehow an assault on your manhood.

There are definitely valid criticisms of this game, a lot of them even.

Like most hypocrites, it is OK if you do it, but if someone else does it, pop goes the weasel. It is not as if it is that rare. The whole SJW and Black Lives Matter camp do it all the time.

Except you don't ever make specific, accurate criticisms of the game's actual issues, which would indicate you've actually played it. You just say "too buggy to play" (not true as of right after launch), "muh SJW" (a bit, but just as much trolling of SJWs), "stat bloat" (true in Ch6 but less of an issue than the banal encounter design) or just the fact that you hate Pathfinder rules (fair enough, I don't like PnP Pathfinder much either, but it works well in the game).
Saying that your vague and useless criticisms are vague and useless for discussing the game isn't hypocrisy it's just the truth.

There is none so blind as he who would not see. To say that I didn't have specific beefs with the flaws of game is an outright lie and shows that you are just trying to defame and troll people with deceit born of butthurt. Welcome to the Ignore list.

 

[Incendax]

I'm just bringing facts & logics to the conversation.

Deadfire is, in raw numbers, a deeper and more complex system than Pathfinder.

You posted eleven pictures about Deadfire. In a thread about Kingmaker. You have an entire thread devoted to Deadfire where you are free to post thousands of pictures.

 

[Safav Hamon]

the story in kingmaker btw, is unexpectedly good.

Owlcats had the story written for them by Paizo fyi.

 

[jf8350143]

You know, I'd like to discuss what Deadfire did better then Kingmaker and vice versa, it can be quite fun. But NOT in the Kingmaker thread.

Make a seperate thread, don't continue it here.

 

[HoboForEternity]

Deadfire's itemization is also on another level than Kingmaker.

Awesome Itemization

Shit Itemization

deadfire's itemization might be the best or at least one of the best in crpg tbh. still doesnt justify you shilling it in another game thread. it is annoying.

 

[Roqua]

Did these fucking NAZI's ever apologize for being NAZI jerks and banning people with honest questions?

 

[ERYFKRAD]

the story in kingmaker btw, is unexpectedly good.

Owlcats had the story written for them by Paizo fyi.

Obsidian had their own team and look how that ended up.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Did these fucking NAZI's ever apologize for being NAZI jerks and banning people with honest questions?

Unlikely.

 

[Lawntoilet]

You act as if pointing flaws in the game is somehow an assault on your manhood.

There are definitely valid criticisms of this game, a lot of them even.

Like most hypocrites, it is OK if you do it, but if someone else does it, pop goes the weasel. It is not as if it is that rare. The whole SJW and Black Lives Matter camp do it all the time.

Except you don't ever make specific, accurate criticisms of the game's actual issues, which would indicate you've actually played it. You just say "too buggy to play" (not true as of right after launch), "muh SJW" (a bit, but just as much trolling of SJWs), "stat bloat" (true in Ch6 but less of an issue than the banal encounter design) or just the fact that you hate Pathfinder rules (fair enough, I don't like PnP Pathfinder much either, but it works well in the game).
Saying that your vague and useless criticisms are vague and useless for discussing the game isn't hypocrisy it's just the truth.

There is none so blind as he who would not see. To say that I didn't have specific beefs with the flaws of game is an outright lie and shows that you are just trying to defame and troll people with deceit born of butthurt. Welcome to the Ignore list.

You only post boring, predictable non-issues. The only butthurt is you thinking you're being trolled when people point out how fucking boring your posts are.
Luckily the holidays are when unloved faggots tend to kill themselves so hopefully 2019 will be free of your banalshitboring posts.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

pathfinders character system where i can stack, exploit and mash together a multitude of feats, systems and abilities versus deadfires sterile, impotent system where your character is primarily defined by their gear.

"balanced" is boring

 

[aweigh]

if only 1 person buys a game and finishes it then it will 100% completion rate and thus be the best game ever according to Safav.

 

[Western]

And how much of the customer base are veterans of the PnP game or infinity engine? 50%? 40%? 30%? It's definitely higher than 1%.

Yet only 1% beat the game, because that's the only percentage of people with low enough standards to play the game until completion.

But why aren't the vast majority of reviews negative then?



Edit; Also I am the 1%

 

[Cael]

It really doesn't matter how anyone else thinks. It is what YOU think. If you don't like the game, you won't buy it. If you like it, you buy it.

Just remember:

 

[Western]

Also things I like and dislike about the game

+ Spell and item effects, spells with long duration negative effects, magic can be devastating (I think this makes real time combat more enjoyable for me)

+ Build variety, the differences between builds can feel quite pronounced, creating and experimenting with builds is very enjoyable.

+ Impact of kingdom management decisions

+/- Decent implementation of real-time combat, found it to be a lot less clusterfucky than POE, though I tend to prefer turn-based

+/- Writing is ok/meh, but I feel like there are enough story threads and good bits to carry the day as a backbone for all the other games positive elements.

- Number of load screens in kingdom management (a bit less bad now as stats can be trained while adventuring)

- Uneven difficulty spikes, high difficulty trash mobs in the end game which punish suboptimal builds/party composition.

- Bugs, thankfully the worst bugs seem to be over, but still plenty of non-game breaking bugs, which can be irritating to see things like Octavias mum standing around from the start of the game, etc.

Overall I give it a recommend. I have personally enjoyed it more than either of the POE games (I finished POE 1, but grew bored with POE2 towards the end game, sailed around picking fights then never bothered with the final battle).

 

[purpleblob]

Safav Hamon

Sounding so defensive there - worried that you won't be paid by Obsidian/MS since people are finding Kingmaker much superior to Deadfire?

 

[Incendax]

Sounding so defensive there - worried that you won't be paid by Obsidian/MS since people are finding Kingmaker much superior to Deadfire?

Don’t invite him to come back, you fool!

 

[Safav Hamon]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

 

[Sharpedge]

So I finally got around to playing this again. It seems it has some new, interesting bugs:

 

[Efe]

its not new. happened to me at least. it would be nice if you have a save just before those events and they see it.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

POE is a surprising mix. It has some quality but with it comes corporate watering down. It seems like a game which wants to be nice and likeable to everyone instead of trying to be something great or even particulary good.
It also has a lot of incompetence (systems balance, writing), but incompetence without pretense for something great or fun. I can appreciate failure if someone tried to do something interesting, but they seem to be stumbling all the time without trying to do something particulary worthwhile.

Kingmaker is just on another level compared to POE.
Bugs or some overpowered builds of Kingmaker are nothing compared to fundamentally boring game systems or inconsistent and unfocused narrative of POE.

 

[Sharpedge]

Yeah, I'm still not buying the 'muh hardcore RPG' narrative as to why 90% of players are quitting before the halfway point.

If it was actually a good game, then more than 1% of players would beat it regardless of the difficulty (and it's not remotely challenging).

It is more challenging than pillars, which for my 1st playthrough I did potb blind solo with level upscaling on a pale elf votary. That game was completely devoid of any difficult combat encounters.

 

[MrBuzzKill]

Got my (Kickstarter) collector's edition. Mixed feelings about this...

Here's what actually was right under the lid of the (not sealed) box:

Rest of pics (more bubblewrap in there) https://imgur.com/a/Yv78WqO

 

[ArchAngel]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

This topic died off because:
#1 people move on to new games after a while and this game has been out for 3 months.
#2 Atom has been released and by all accounts it is a good game so people moved there.

Still nobody cares for your retard game.

 

[Volrath]

purpleblob Except they aren't. Deadfire has better scores from critics and users. It has already won GOTY awards from the worlds largest PC gaming magazine and worlds longest running PC gaming magazine. 20 times as many people finish it over Kingmaker.

Kingmaker's popularity on the codex is largely contrarianism, due to spending three years fostering a vitriolic anti-Obsidian circlejerk. Yet as soon as turn-based mode for Deadfire was announced, this thread died until I started posting about its pathetic completion rate.

This topic died off because:
#1 people move on to new games after a while and this game has been out for 3 months.
#2 Atom has been released and by all accounts it is a good game so people moved there.

Still nobody cares for your retard game.

#3 the fucking Jew had one of his fits and split up a legendary thread.