Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Lacrymas]

Oh, no! Our plan is slowly being unraveled! Making (allegedly) good RPGs with the sole purpose of turning people gay. I knew it was too risky, I told them!

very honest counter-Argument. Really now, I am not seeing that the problem is that big here but nobody said anything about turning people gay. Why are these discussions always so dishonest.

I'm just saying what the ultimate goal was during cultist meetings. It's just part of the gay agenda.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Makes total sense, if you are a one-dimensional character with shitty writing.

She's not one-dimensional per se. She has a secret. All that she tells you is an obvious deflection.

That said, the scene still makes no sense because of the lack of tension. The writer was too focused on her gimmick and not on the story itself.

I normally wouldn't focus on this if it weren't a consistent flaw imo. And I find it frustrating that they took the time to add so many gay characters, but didn't bother to make the writing better.

 

[Saravan]

Yes see, this is why it's a pointless exercise for me to go back to every moment I saw was clearly idiotic to provide you with examples. You are going to warp each and every one it into an ol' Desiderius "ashkully here is why it's based and subversive".

It's not subversive, she literally has a background feat "aristocrat" (hence rapier training), and thats her (at least on the outside) character. Even when you take other companions, say Ember, she begins to REEEEEEE on u and interject.
i don't remember much of her writing because I consider her a worse fanfiction than dragonspear inserts, but your argument that there is not a single reason for her to talk all the time is not correct.
(it doesn't excuse overall graphomania in the game: but if there was to be graphomania, it's characters like Kamelia and Daeran who should reeeee the most)

Ok Shadenuat, so seeing one of the strongest demons in the setting split the earth and you falling down towards it doesn't phase you out of calmly telling your life story. Makes complete sense because the character is an aristocrat. Yep, makes total sense, such great writing there.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Ok Shadenuat, so seeing one of the strongest demons in the setting split the earth and you falling down towards it doesn't phase you out of calmly telling your life story makes complete sense because the character is an aristocrat. Yep, makes total sense, such great writing there.

For a good contrast, look at BG3. All the time you're aboard the nautiloid in the intro, characters speak to you with a sense of urgency.

Urgency is completely lacking in WotR. The plot takes you from a calm celebration to the end of the world, then it dumps you far beneath the earth and suddenly calms down for no reason.

 

[Ontopoly]

Playing through leper's smile hypes up a swarm-that-walks way more than any of the trailers or dev teases ever could. That's what you become? Damn... No wonder everyone is disgusted by you and hates you in that playthrough

 

[Ontopoly]

If you want good writing go read a book, no video game ever compares story wise to books or even movies. I'm here to kill swarms of flesh eating locusts. If you want gameplay come on in. If you want story go do something conducive to that. Story-whores are probably why voice acting exists....

 

[volklore]

Yes see, this is why it's a pointless exercise for me to go back to every moment I saw was clearly idiotic to provide you with examples. You are going to warp each and every one it into an ol' Desiderius "ashkully here is why it's based and subversive".

It's not subversive, she literally has a background feat "aristocrat" (hence rapier training), and thats her (at least on the outside) character. Even when you take other companions, say Ember, she begins to REEEEEEE on u and interject.
i don't remember much of her writing because I consider her a worse fanfiction than dragonspear inserts, but your argument that there is not a single reason for her to talk all the time is not correct.
(it doesn't excuse overall graphomania in the game: but if there was to be graphomania, it's characters like Kamelia and Daeran who should reeeee the most)

Ok Shadenuat, so seeing one of the strongest demons in the setting split the earth and you falling down towards it doesn't phase you out of calmly telling your life story. Makes complete sense because the character is an aristocrat. Yep, makes total sense, such great writing there.

It's just Owlcat writing. I works better for whimsical adventuring than this high stakes end of world act 1. Camelia doesn't seem to care much or be phased at all by the demons pouring out of the skies tbh. From the get go. I don't see why you can't write a characters like that in a fantasy game. In general most characters don't seem to care much because they are the crusader lands and they shave off demon attacks for breakfast - That's just a harder breakfast to swallow, like a full english :D. I do not think the writing is great mind you, but it's setting and tone coherent.

 

[Shadenuat]

so seeing one of the strongest demons in the setting split the earth and you falling down towards it doesn't phase you out of calmly telling your life story. Makes complete sense because the character is an aristocrat. Yep, makes total sense

Demons split the earth in this place every friday, this is 5th crusade. But if you want

look at BG3. All the time you're aboard the nautiloid in the intro, characters speak to you with a sense of urgency.

companions to only speak the same goddamn like about brain bug in their heads for half of gaem sure, there is game for you.

Camelia doesn't seem to care much or be phased at all by the demons pouring out of the skies tbh.

She cares - she actually enjoys all the bloodshed around, as per her VO.

 

[Ontopoly]

I feel plenty of tension when there are 3 swarms coming at me from the front and 3 from the back.

Also I feel like the writing is fine. Who the fuck wants companions that are going to bitch and cry the entire game? I inspired them and hope lives on, they should act like it. The only way an army could ever survive that long in those conditions is with good morale, and they have good enough morale

 

[Grauken]

If you want good writing go read a book, no video game ever compares story wise to books or even movies. I'm here to kill swarms of flesh eating locusts. If you want gameplay come on in. If you want story go do something conducive to that. Story-whores are probably why voice acting exists....

All infinity engine games had better writing, PST especially, Disco Elysium has stellar writing, so you're plainly wrong

 

[Saravan]

so seeing one of the strongest demons in the setting split the earth and you falling down towards it doesn't phase you out of calmly telling your life story. Makes complete sense because the character is an aristocrat. Yep, makes total sense

Demons split the earth in this place every friday, this is 5th crusade. But if you want

look at BG3. All the time you're aboard the nautiloid in the intro, characters speak to you with a sense of urgency.

companions to only speak the same goddamn like about brain bug in their heads for half of gaem sure, there is game for you.

Camelia doesn't seem to care much or be phased at all by the demons pouring out of the skies tbh.

She cares - she actually enjoys all the bloodshed around, as per her VO.

Proving my point of what an absolute blind fanboy you are who can't even see past this simple example of bad writing.

 

[Shadenuat]

This Saravan broke and has to resort to the buttons, bring another one.

 

[Ontopoly]

If you want good writing go read a book, no video game ever compares story wise to books or even movies. I'm here to kill swarms of flesh eating locusts. If you want gameplay come on in. If you want story go do something conducive to that. Story-whores are probably why voice acting exists....

All infinity engine games had better writing, PST especially, Disco Elysium has stellar writing, so you're plainly wrong

Spoken like someone who has never read a good book. PST is only good by video game and choose your own adventure standards. Also lol at disco elysium

 

[Grauken]

If you want good writing go read a book, no video game ever compares story wise to books or even movies. I'm here to kill swarms of flesh eating locusts. If you want gameplay come on in. If you want story go do something conducive to that. Story-whores are probably why voice acting exists....

All infinity engine games had better writing, PST especially, Disco Elysium has stellar writing, so you're plainly wrong

Spoken like someone who has never read a good book. PST is only good by video game and choose your own adventure standards. Also lol at disco elysium

I've read more books than you've probably ever seen in your life

 

[Saravan]

This Saravan broke and has to resort to the buttons, bring another one.

Must be a sad life to treat this thread like your day time job.

 

[Ontopoly]

If you want good writing go read a book, no video game ever compares story wise to books or even movies. I'm here to kill swarms of flesh eating locusts. If you want gameplay come on in. If you want story go do something conducive to that. Story-whores are probably why voice acting exists....

All infinity engine games had better writing, PST especially, Disco Elysium has stellar writing, so you're plainly wrong

Spoken like someone who has never read a good book. PST is only good by video game and choose your own adventure standards. Also lol at disco elysium

I've read more books than you've probably ever seen in your life

And yet you're impressed with Disco Elysium. curious.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

companions to only speak the same goddamn like about brain bug in their heads for half of gaem sure, there is game for you.

What they're willing to talk about depends on your level of influence with them. Unlike in Pathfinder, they're not willing to trust you with their entire backstory upon first meeting you.

The tadpoles are all you have in common and are the most important threat to any of you. Even still, that's an exaggeration to say it's all they talk about.

Btw you glossed over my point about urgency. Nice deflection.

 

[Shadenuat]

Btw funny how our resident horny lich in bg3 thread is "gaem starts with lvl 1 character captured by mind flayers! IMPOSSIBRU!" In Wrath lvl 1 character pew-pew from xir crossbow literal demon lord i.e. godlike being and survives "nah, it's ok. happens all the time"

BG has a particular connotation to it, there is something we expect from these games.
Wrath openly stated it's a TOB munchkin game.

And by the way,

you will learn about that crossbow shooting in Chapter 3+.

Unlike in Pathfinder, they're not willing to trust you with their entire backstory upon first meeting you.

But Kamelia does not trust you with her actual backstory when she meets you, for example. If judging book by the cover is your thing, well, Kamelia actually succeeds.

It's not that her or other meh characters are good.

The problem is that your people arguments against them are even worse.

 

[Ontopoly]

I've read more books than you've probably ever seen in your life

More than I've ever seen in my life? I don't know man. I've been to a library and there were plenty of books there. and I saw them all.

 

[NJClaw]

I finally got past the character creation screen and... the state of this game is unacceptable. It's childish to hope for a game without bugs in this day and age, but the fact that 75% of what's in this game already was in Kingmaker makes it ridiculous. It's basically the same game, but now there are even more bugs. Two things are driving me crazy right now:
- I can't seem to understand how to turn off Power Attack in TB mode (I disable it at the start of my turn, but nothing happens);
- sometimes, enemies provoke AoOs outside of their turns without doing anything.

Come on, Owlcat, get your shit together.

 

[Ontopoly]

I finally got past the character creation screen and... the state of this game is unacceptable. It's childish to hope for a game without bugs in this day and age, but the fact that 75% of what's in this game already was in Kingmaker makes it ridiculous. It's basically the same game, but now there are even more bugs. Two things are driving me crazy right now:
- I can't seem to understand how to turn off Power Attack in TB mode (I disable it at the start of my turn, but nothing happens);
- sometimes, enemies provoke AoOs outside of their turns without doing anything.

Come on, Owlcat, get your shit together.

Super easy solution. Turn off turn based.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

If you want good writing go read a book

The best fanboy defense of the game's writing I've seen yet.

 

[volklore]

I am also sure there will be stuff breaking the woke narrative of some characters later on as well. In kingmakers, all the woke characters got some counternarrative. Amiri lied about killing a giant with bare hands (most of her backstory is a lie), Valerie is obsessed with her scar and beauty just like most wamen, Octavia can turn into a Psycho and her free-form relationship with regongar ( CE orc) is shown as being completely fucked up. I know I hated the companions at the start of KM and I ended up liking most of them at the end. So I am expecting similar things for wrath.

 

[Lord of Riva]

I've read more books than you've probably ever seen in your life

More than I've ever seen in my life? I don't know man. I've been to a library and there were plenty of books there. and I saw them all.

Damn, when being in *a* library is the standard for showing off your reading skill, I know why the world looks like it does.

 

[Saravan]

Btw funny how our resident horny lich in bg3 thread is "gaem starts with lvl 1 character captured by mind flayers! IMPOSSIBRU!" In Wrath lvl 1 character pew-pew from xir crossbow literal demon lord i.e. godlike being and survives "nah, it's ok. happens all the time"

BG has a particular connotation to it, there is something we expect from these games.
Wrath openly stated it's a TOB munchkin game.

And by the way,

you will learn about that crossbow shooting in Chapter 3+.

Unlike in Pathfinder, they're not willing to trust you with their entire backstory upon first meeting you.

But Kamelia does not trust you with her actual backstory when she meets you, for example.

It's not that her or other meh characters are good.

The problem is that your people arguments against them are even worse.

Reinhardt was pointing out the hypocrisy of how Victor spent hundreds of posts on BG3 thread complaining about how the game is too epic but of course resident fanboy here sees it as yet another opportunity to defend the flawless game of the ages that is Wrathfinder.