Rise of the Japanese Indie Scene

[Mr. Pink]

The last thing Japan needs is an "indie scene" or whatever the westerners call their talentless hipster trash. The "indie scene" in japan lags behind because nobody with a PC wants to play this pretentious horseshit.

Hmm...

There can only be one dominant franchise at comiket. Kancolle shitters need to die.

The demo has me pretty excited for the next game. I hope the music is anywhere as good as Ten Desires.

You say this on a Touhou thread, and then you dismiss indie games here. Kind of ironic, isn't it? Unless you think Touhou is some exception of sorts.

Anyway, indie by itself just means self published titles, so I doubt that alone means the games made are immediately bad.

Don't compare Touhou to Boatsluts.

 

[Mr. Pink]

The last thing Japan needs is an "indie scene" or whatever the westerners call their talentless hipster trash. The "indie scene" in japan lags behind because nobody with a PC wants to play this pretentious horseshit.

Hmm...

There can only be one dominant franchise at comiket. Kancolle shitters need to die.

The demo has me pretty excited for the next game. I hope the music is anywhere as good as Ten Desires.

You say this on a Touhou thread, and then you dismiss indie games here. Kind of ironic, isn't it? Unless you think Touhou is some exception of sorts.

Anyway, indie by itself just means self published titles, so I doubt that alone means the games made are immediately bad.

and to answer to you seriously,

I don't consider "indie" and independent to mean the same thing anymore because the word has strayed too far from it's original meaning the same way "indie rock" is still indie rock regardless of it's actual distribution method.

I used quotes to describe "indie scene" because the people that call themselves that are too different to be lumped with independent developers that actually make games people want to play. The japanese word that accurately describes the second set of people is doujinshi. There are big cultural differences between doujinshi game makers and "indie" game makers. There are no "game jams", developers treat games as a means for entertainment rather than some kind of self expression, doujinshi artists don't mind making fangames using other peoples intellectual properties, value fun over "originality" and have no problems with adult content because they sell their wares at niche conventions. Doujinshi creators don't see themselves as "artists" and don't try to court the mainstream academia because they're just fine catering to their otaku audience. Western "indie" developers like the one this article talks about are clearly different in both mentality and methods.



Also, disliking Kancolle because it's a boring game that steals away good porn artists from Touhou Project doesn't mean I dismiss independent game developers. Touhou is made by ZUN, who is an independent game developer.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Also, disliking Kancolle because it's a boring game that steals away good porn artists from Touhou Project[...]

Up yours faggot.

 

[omega21]

That article is strange. The quote that goes "Expats in Japan indie community" seems to hint that the author recognizes the artificiality of the entire event, and yet he wants to say that Japanese devs must somehow conform to Western norms to be respectable.


EDIT: fuck, treave already covered that

 

[Mr. Pink]

Also, disliking Kancolle because it's a boring game that steals away good porn artists from Touhou Project[...]

Up yours faggot.

 

[omega21]

Don't blame the franchise, blame artists for being FoTM shitters

 

[CaptainCoxwaggle]

Also, disliking Kancolle because it's a boring game that steals away good porn artists from Touhou Project[...]

Up yours faggot.

Spoiler

If you're trying to argue for Touhou's superiority over Kancolle, pointing out art design is probably the worst thing you can do considering Touhou relies on porn artists to actually make their girls fappable while kancolle has enough soft material in the game itself.

 

[Tehdagah]

The one on the left is hotter.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Part of the problem, I'm told by several developers - Japanese and westerner alike - is that Japan already has an indie scene, one which doesn't mesh terribly well with the scene that's developed internationally. Indie games as they've existed up until now in Japan are called "doujinsoft"; they're usually dating-style games or visual novels, but you get strategy games, card games and even beat 'em up style action games too. This scene predates digital distribution and is closely tied to the broader "doujinshi" market - independently produced comics and artwork, often in the form of fan-fiction or fan-art for existing IP. Doujinshi events like Comic Market (Comiket), a biannual event that floods the entirety of the gigantic Tokyo Big Sight exhibition centre, have sections for selling doujinsoft games - often still distributed on DVD-Rs. This insular indie market is so deeply Japan-only that many gamers abroad aren't even aware of its existence, and while there is some crossover at the edges with the burgeoning western-style indie community, for the most part the doujinsoft teams seem happy where they are and have little desire to change their practices or internationalise their approach.

It's not true indie gaming, they're making video games! Thankfully they have some obnoxious Kotaku reading liberal white douchebag there to teach the primitive natives about what real indie gaming is about. They need to throw away those archaic physical releases, loose the focus on limiting "game mechanics", realize that they can't just make video games aimed at the Japanese market anymore and embrace globalization and SJWism.

Go home whitu piggu

 

[Ayreos]

Wow, so there are western people who believe Touhou is anything other than the result of asian drone mentality(the gameplay) coupled with savage asian libido (everything else)!
I don't know what kancolle's gameplay is like, but it can't be too different in principle.

That said, we definitely need more Rapelay in the west. Few other things in videogame culture can demonstrate and underline the meaning of the words "freedom of expression" quite so well.

 

[Konjad]

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

I don't know what kancolle's gameplay is like, but it can't be too different in principle.

Kancolle doesn't have gameplay.

 

[Raghar]

Also, disliking Kancolle because it's a boring game that steals away good porn artists from Touhou Project[...]

Up yours faggot.

Perhaps we should compare it with image of someone who can draw. It's common that some game developers can't draw, and fans must do theirs stuff for them for free.

 

[omega21]

What sort of arcane ceremony is this?

 

[Konjad]

What sort of arcane ceremony is this?

It's a victory dance, performed after Japs conquered 南京 by defeating all the resistance. It's one of the last scenes of the movie.

 

[CaptainCoxwaggle]

What sort of arcane ceremony is this?

It's a victory dance, performed after Japs conquered 南京 by defeating all the resistance. It's one of the last scenes of the movie.

It's actually a harvest dance that has been superimposed into Nanking for some silly reason.

The traditional Japanese victory celebration involves doing the horizontal mambo.

 

[Gerrard]

The difference between western indie scene and Japanese indie scene is that the Japanese indie scene actually makes games.

Don't blame the franchise, blame artists for being FoTM shitters

Don't remind me.

 

[omega21]

What's that? Despite outer appearances, I don't read Japanese.

 

[Damned Registrations]

'Hestia' one of the main characters from the dungeon anime on right now.