Review RPG Dot opinion on KOTOR

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Re: All you people

Time to whip up the flamethrowers.

You people make me sick. You are so immature with your ideals on what is good and what isn't. ughh. : :evil:

OMG hi2u!

Speaking of immature ideals, i hope you're not the person responsible for the site shown in your WWW link. If you are, i find it extrememly funny how you promote yourself to have a "fresh new mind", and to be "open minded", but then come across as an imbecile who attacks opinions he can't understand. But hey, its good to know you have a "younger point of view". Too bad its young in a kindergarten level.

>>>Firstly, just because KOTOR is turn based doesn't make it a bad game. all good rpgs are usually turn based.

Had you spent more time reading what we write instead of just raping your keyboard, you'd have known we actually like turn-based games.

And for the record, KoTOR isn't turn-based. Ooopsie!

>>>Plus NWN is AWSOME. I dont know what you are on but its a great game. you people have no patience.

Yeah, its AWSOME we had to pay for a game lacking most of the promised features. Yeah, its AWSOME we waited 5 years for a game that looked like it had 10. Yeah, its AWSOME it had gameplay inferior to what had been done in the past, specially in regards to what Bioware themselves had done. Yeah. Just AWSOME, that.

>>>also, there is not that much combat in KOTOR actually. I thought there needed to be more levels. 20 was just not enough on NWN or KOTOR. needs to be able to get to level 100. there was enough combat per area, but there needed to be more stuff.

This isn't Final Fantasy land. Level 20, under the ruleset KoTOR and NWN operated, is high enough.

>>>it cannot be as realistic to have people's arms be dismembered or heads cut off, that would be too easy

Well, realistically, lightsabers don't exist, do they? Regardless, the point was that lightsabers can do this in their own setting, but that wasn't implemented.

you go through the level, swing, swing, force storm, every one is dead. plus that would be more programming for bioware and it doesnt need to be "to the paper" correct.

Poor Bioware, we can't have them program more, now can we? I suggest you play other Star Wars games and see how lightsaber combat is actually done; specifically Jedi Outcast and Academy. *That* is well done lightsaber combat.

whatever then I know im right in my own world.

Bladen?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: All you people

You people make me sick. You are so immature with your ideals on what is good and what isn't. ughh. : :evil:
>>>Firstly, just because KOTOR is turn based doesn't make it a bad game. all good rpgs are usually turn based.
>>>Plus NWN is AWSOME. I dont know what you are on but its a great game. you people have no patience.
>>>also, there is not that much combat in KOTOR actually. I thought there needed to be more levels. 20 was just not enough on NWN or KOTOR. needs to be able to get to level 100. there was enough combat per area, but there needed to be more stuff.
>>>it cannot be as realistic to have people's arms be dismembered or heads cut off, that would be too easy, you go through the level, swing, swing, force storm, every one is dead. plus that would be more programming for bioware and it doesnt need to be "to the paper" correct.
>>>KOTOR should get more than an "C+" I am currently writing a review on it and the only thing that annoys me is, even with the Xbox hard drive, it takes so darn long to load and save. WAY TOO LONG! another thing is the excessive amount of talking. yeah the voice acting is great and there could be more that they say, but it's too much.
>>>and refering to what RPG dot said, yeah this game is one of the best I have ever played, I am about 23 hours into the game and almost have the 5 star map and everything. It is the one that makes me tell people what I did even though they could care less.
whatever then I know im right in my own world.

stupidity...clogging...brain.... send help

 

[Transcendent One]

Wowsers, ancient thread.

You people make me sick. You are so immature with your ideals on what is good and what isn't. ughh. :

You know I was thinking the exact same thing 'bout you. Wowsers!11!

Firstly, just because KOTOR is turn based doesn't make it a bad game. all good rpgs are usually turn based

KotOR isn't turn based, moron. And we don't bash games for being turn based .In fact, turn based games are very well-liked here. Obviously you know how to write, but you don't know how to read. 'Tis a shame, cause writing without reading is like walking without looking where you walk.

Plus NWN is AWSOME. I dont know what you are on but its a great game. you people have no patience

Yes, I agree, NWN is fucking bloody AWSOME I mean it even had da boobsers!!!11!

also, there is not that much combat in KOTOR actually. I thought there needed to be more levels. 20 was just not enough on NWN or KOTOR. needs to be able to get to level 100. there was enough combat per area, but there needed to be more stuff.

And yet even at level 10 you can easily mop the floor with most of the enemies you encounter. If they made it to level 100 I cannot believe how unbelievably boring it would be. I'd want combat out of the game completely, not just in a lesser amount.

whatever then I know im right in my own world.

Little world of brainwashed morons. Oh well,you enjoy it, as long as you're happy :D

 

[Volourn]

NWN is awesome. Anyone who doesn't think that is not awesome. Really simple logic, me thinks. The NWN OC was just okay though.

KOTOR is good. Coulda, shoulda been much better.

 

[Transcendent One]

Okay, in Volourn's eyes I am not awesome. That wounded me. Please hand me that box of tissues over there

 

[Gvaz Elite]

hmmm.....

I guess I was a bit rash in places.

>>>Well, 1: Yes that is my website, its not finished and yes, even I know its kind of immature.
>>>2: "kindergarden point of view"? right buddy what ever you say then. please tell me what opinions I attack? I attack nothing but E! and Consumer reports. I wanted something that was better. Im not perfect. forgive me for being myself.
>>>3: I wasnt tring to bash you people it's just that it "seemed" that you were bashing those two games, (I know at least 1 (vault dweller) was saying it was crap. and greyhawk said it looked "old" texure wise maybe. but never knew that and thought it was the greatist. I never played a bioware game before.) I was simply stating my position, abeit by a bad first impression...
>>>4: about the humping troll... ----\_/ yeah that was very amusing.
>>>5: kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights. the two fighting creatures take turns by the roll of the dice. just like in actual d&d. I know what im talking about. (for that at least) if it wasn't, the "orders" your characters are given would be instantaneous, like hack and slash.
>>>6: I was not saying that turn based is bad, I like it myself.
>>>7: I do read. I admit I sometimes have trouble interpreting things. wow...the troll thing summed it up...thats creepy.
>>>8: I stand by having higher than 20 levels, I know "final fantasy" it aint, but I have never played FF, and other games that allowed you to reach level 100 and above doesn't mean that Kotor has to. I was just thinking out loud. if you can cream creatures at level 10, what have you done? im level 16 and tereks (or whatever there called) kick my butt like nothing.
>>>9: Boobsers??? in NWN? what? :
>>>10: about lightsabers, I was replying to someones statement that kotor was not realistic enough, because peoples arms would not get cut off like in the movies.
>>>11: the statement of force storm and such was relating to the above ^ subject.
>>>12: yes, I have played both of those games (well, academy demo) and was not all too impressed. I would rather play it on PC. it swiches between 3rd person (good for console, bad for pc) and 1st person (good for pc, bad for console). I just wasnt impressed.
>>>13: I didnt know this post was 4 weeks old. :!: I was looking for strategy guides on Kotor to see if I missed any side quests and was being blocked by Bess :evil: (I hate that dog). google said something about kotor here and I saw something that interested me.
>>>14: isn't kotor a RPG? :idea: you play the role of a pivotal part in the star wars history. other rpg are the same way. you play a character that changes something. your character is supposed to make a difference. right?
>>>15: I never played any BG, I dont like PS2 and wil get one only for it's massive RPG collection it has (Rpg maker, monster rancher)
>>>16: I know this is long but I felt that my immaturity got in the way of my vision and needed to take a stronger footing to explain myself. I just dont like it when people say that a game I like is not quite up to par. I feel that I need to state my opinion. I never ment to....blow out? at you people.

 

[Volourn]

*hands tissue to GH*

 

[Gvaz Elite]

i think I forgot some periods in there...

 

[Elwro]

Re: hmmm.....

I >>>5: kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights. the two fighting creatures take turns by the roll of the dice. just like in actual d&d

There are 3 possibilities:
1) You haven't played any of the games you've mentioned
2) You are lying
or
3) You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

In case it is 3), lemme explain. Suppose your PC enters a rectangular room. He notices a hostile mage across the room, and a hostile warrior to the left, near the wall. He wants to stab the mage before he is able to cast any spells. They all roll for initiative and your PC wins.
1) In DnD and any turn based games, your PC can move right up to the mage and the rest of the world stands still (aside from AoOs). If the mage is close enough, your PC can try to hit him.
2) In NWN and other real time games, the moment you start running to the mage, the hostile warrior intercepts you and you have to engage in melee. The mage will be happy to blast you with all Magic Missiles he has.

See the difference?

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

NWN is awesome. Anyone who doesn't think that is not awesome. Really simple logic, me thinks. The NWN OC was just okay though.

You're a Bioware fanboy, Vollie. You don't count :wink:

Okay, in Volourn's eyes I am not awesome. That wounded me. Please hand me that box of tissues over there

I am not going to give you tissues. I don't know what you're going to clean :shock:

2: "kindergarden point of view"? right buddy what ever you say then. please tell me what opinions I attack? I attack nothing but E! and Consumer reports. I wanted something that was better. Im not perfect. forgive me for being myself.

Not what you criticize on your site, what you criticized here (and specially, how).

5: kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights.

Newsflash: if you need to pause a game to issue commands, then that means the game is happening in real time.

But hey, don't just take my word for it:

Bioware explaining how the Neverwinter Nights combat works

Bioware explaining how the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic combat works

Yup, real time. Who would've thunk it?

I stand by having higher than 20 levels, I know "final fantasy" it aint, but I have never played FF, and other games that allowed you to reach level 100 and above doesn't mean that Kotor has to. I was just thinking out loud. if you can cream creatures at level 10, what have you done? im level 16 and tereks (or whatever there called) kick my butt like nothing.

What you need is proper gear and planning, not more levels.

 

[Gvaz Elite]

Re: hmmm.....

I >>>5: kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights. the two fighting creatures take turns by the roll of the dice. just like in actual d&d

There are 3 possibilities:
1) You haven't played any of the games you've mentioned
2) You are lying
or
3) You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

In case it is 3), lemme explain. Suppose your PC enters a rectangular room. He notices a hostile mage across the room, and a hostile warrior to the left, near the wall. He wants to stab the mage before he is able to cast any spells. They all roll for initiative and your PC wins.
1) In DnD and any turn based games, your PC can move right up to the mage and the rest of the world stands still (aside from AoOs). If the mage is close enough, your PC can try to hit him.
2) In NWN and other real time games, the moment you start running to the mage, the hostile warrior intercepts you and you have to engage in melee. The mage will be happy to blast you with all Magic Missiles he has.

See the difference?

yes I see the difference, those two games are based together, they both work. but you can also change the settings to real time combat or not. which is kind of d&d. and yes I know that really only the "rules" were incorperated into the game. yes, in NWN doesn't your character go up to fight if their close enough? and what about the warrior? wouldnt the mage do the same thing in d&d, roll to see if it could hit it with a ranged attack?
also, what is AoOs??

 

[Gvaz Elite]

oh, and yes I have played both, bought both, although kotor more than nwn.
I dont lie. especially to people I dont know.

 

[Volourn]

That's a pretty poor example Elwro as you can easily get to the mage before the warrior intercepts you in NWN. In fact, I do it all the time.

RP, yeah, I'm a fanboy.

*Definition of Fanboy = Rating a game 75%, and disliking MANY things about another.

 

[Elwro]

Re: hmmm.....

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yes I see the difference, those two games are based together,

What? I'm pretty sure your sentence doesn't have any sense. Please explain it to me.

they both work. but you can also change the settings to real time combat or not.

No, you can't. Combat in NWN is always real time, combat in ToEE is always turn based. There is no way in NWN for things like 2) in my previous post not to happen. Remember:
Pen & Paper DnD is turn based
NWN is real time.
And there's no swicthing combat modes in NWN. Play ToEE, you'll see what a turn based game looks like.

wouldnt the mage do the same thing in d&d, roll to see if it could hit it with a ranged attack?

No. If he didn't prepare specifically and it was just the beginning of the combat and he lost his Initiative roll, he would have to stand still.

also, what is AoOs??

Attacks of Opportunity. I thought NWN had that?

EDIT: Volourn: Of course you can. I admit that I screwed up the example a little bit. Suppose the warrior is standing far from your planned route to the mage - just far enough for you not to provoke his AoO. In ToEE you can just run to the mage. In NWN, you can still do this, but the warrior will move too and you'll have to provoke his AoO, unlike in paper DnD. That's just a simple example and in big battles that would require much tactics the differences between rt and tb are obvious.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Re: hmmm.....

I know at least 1 (vault dweller) was saying it was crap.

Isn't it?

I was simply stating my position, abeit by a bad first impression...

There is nothing wrong with stating one's position, and Volourn who likes NWN is a testament to that. However, your approach was different: "OMG! You people make me sick...." See what I mean?

kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights. the two fighting creatures take turns by the roll of the dice. just like in actual d&d. I know what im talking about.

I doubt that you know what you're talking about. You're the most clueless motherfucker who's ever posted here, and considering the competition, you're really good at being stupid.

im level 16 and tereks (or whatever there called) kick my butt like nothing.

Then learn to play for god's sake

isn't kotor a RPG? :idea: you play the role of a pivotal part in the star wars history.

Hmm, good point. I also like another RPG - Quake. You play the role of a brave marine.

other rpg are the same way.

Yep, especially the ones that came from Bioware

I know this is long but I felt that my immaturity got in the way of my vision and needed to take a stronger footing to explain myself.

Goes without saying

I just dont like it when people say that a game I like is not quite up to par.

Tough luck. Check my signature.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

RP, yeah, I'm a fanboy.

*Definition of Fanboy = Rating a game 75%, and disliking MANY things about another.

Ha! :D I know you're not a fanboy. Its all in good fun, hence the associated emoticon back there

 

[Volourn]

RP: Hence my smiley too.

Elwro: I don't know how much you've played NWN; but if you do you may have notice that just like in pnp DnD; if you win initiave the other creatures are flat footed so the orc in question would not get the AOO if you moved towards the mage right away. I've seen this happenplenty of times to know it to be true. Of course, the inherent problem of NWN's pseudo RT/TB half breed is that often times the player will stand there befuddled startegizing that the orc's "turn" has already started so then the orc *would* get an AOO since he's no longer called flat footed.

 

[Elwro]

OK, if you say so. You're the expert on NWN 'round here :D

 

[Transcendent One]

Whether he gets AoO or not, he still will move to intercept the fighter, will he not? In turn based that doesn't happen.

 

[Volourn]

Huh/? That's the thing. He won't be able to intercept the character unless the player is a retard or sho very slow they shouldn't be playing video games at all.

Elwro, LOL, no expert.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Huh/? That's the thing. He won't be able to intercept the character unless the player is a retard or sho very slow they shouldn't be playing video games at all.

Ah yes, stoke than infernal wrath of yours. Your simple comments are slowly but surely being corrupted by the taint of the Codex!! MWAHAHA! YOU CANT RESIST, SLAVE! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

 

[Sheriff05]

To sum up, rather than pissing people off, you're like a autistic midget troll that tries to dry hump some old lady's leg while drooling on itself. .

Classic post Voss ,
definitely signature material.
:D

 

[Rosh]

Well, aside from noting the copyright infringement on "Had you spent more time reading what we write instead of just raping your keyboard", I just have to give a chuckle at this.

>>>Firstly, just because KOTOR is turn based doesn't make it a bad game. all good rpgs are usually turn based.

>>>5: kotor is actually in fact turn based. so is neverwinter nights. the two fighting creatures take turns by the roll of the dice. just like in actual d&d. I know what im talking about. (for that at least) if it wasn't, the "orders" your characters are given would be instantaneous, like hack and slash.

You are uneducated to an extreme. It's also good that you swallow BioWare's hype. We needed someone to represent the mass-market cattle after the last one slunk off, thank you for filling the position.

By your "logic" most MUDs are turn-based because they have events put in sequentially, nevermind that they are triggered by a heartbeat pulse. They are still not turn-based by the definition of the mechanic.

Also, congratulations on calling yourself a moron publicly.

>>>Plus NWN is AWSOME. I dont know what you are on but its a great game. you people have no patience.

I don't know what you're on, crackhead, but you obviously haven't tinkered around with the development tools too much, and I think your lacking observation skills are also to blame for missing a lot of really questionable parts of the game. Especially the bugs.

>>>also, there is not that much combat in KOTOR actually. I thought there needed to be more levels. 20 was just not enough on NWN or KOTOR. needs to be able to get to level 100. there was enough combat per area, but there needed to be more stuff.

Damn the 10 year-old munchkins.

>>>it cannot be as realistic to have people's arms be dismembered or heads cut off, that would be too easy, you go through the level, swing, swing, force storm, every one is dead. plus that would be more programming for bioware and it doesnt need to be "to the paper" correct.

Yes, since when has BioWare been ever concerned with a congruent rules implementation? Aw, shit! You just cut your own throat with that one.

>>>KOTOR should get more than an "C+" I am currently writing a review on it and the only thing that annoys me is, even with the Xbox hard drive, it takes so darn long to load and save. WAY TOO LONG! another thing is the excessive amount of talking. yeah the voice acting is great and there could be more that they say, but it's too much.

Might I suggest either Diablo 2 or Ritalin instead?

>>>14: isn't kotor a RPG? you play the role of a pivotal part in the star wars history. other rpg are the same way. you play a character that changes something. your character is supposed to make a difference. right?

And another amateur kid tries to redefine RPG into their own meaning to suit their half-ass argument.

Sorry, kid, but you failed, sorely.

>>>16: I know this is long but I felt that my immaturity got in the way of my vision and needed to take a stronger footing to explain myself. I just dont like it when people say that a game I like is not quite up to par. I feel that I need to state my opinion. I never ment to....blow out? at you people.

It's a funny concept, but one who has worked a real job in their life would understand. If you make claims, especially to the point in which BioWare has done, then you'd better live up to them. The simple truth is, BioWare really hasn't done anything that hasn't been done before (yet credited as, and claimed to have), much of which has been done years before and even better in many regards. BioWare still hasn't managed to fully copy Fallout's speech system, even though they did so years back and they haven't come up with anything remotely as well done as they've claimed to date. Maybe we'll credit them with such when they actually do prove so, but until then I'll stay away from the story equivalents of Betrayal at Antara.

Let's also not forget that BioWare = TEH MASTARS OF TEH FED-EX!

The Farce is strong with BioWare.

whatever then I know im right in my own world.

I'm suspecting that it might have included several elephant-grade hallucinogens while you were in the womb. You consider Monster Rancher to be an RPG. That explains a LOT.

 

[Volourn]

"It's also good that you swallow BioWare's hype. We needed someone to represent the mass-market cattle after the last one slunk off, thank you for filling the position. "


Hey, I thought that was me, and I have no intention of 'slunking' off.

 

[Rosh]

Sorry, Volourn, I completely forgot about you. I'll try to not misrepresent you in the future.