RPGs that are unanimously praised by people of refined taste that you never could finish.

[crojipjip]

A tourist trap can't survive if nobody can get there. Sex, gambling and drugs make sense in local contexts. Problem is New Reno produces nothing but Jet and whores in a world where basic subsistence is still a daily concern. No food = no druggies and prostitutes.

What? A town need not produce anything of value to be of value. And I always took the world of Fallout 2 to be a recovering one. That means, at that time, sustenance is returning. Hence the farmlands, crops, brahmin, etc. That there are actual towns to begin with clearly demonstrates this fact. There are children afoot, military patrols being organized, and infrastructure being rebuilt.

There is a difference between an organized society with economic disparity and a large underclass, and a largely disorganized society where the vast majority of people can't even sleep without fear of being murdered and having their stuff stolen by a junkie or raider. Someone has to do the farming, build and maintain the houses, etc. Vice is fine because it lets people unwind - but New Reno goes too far because we never see anything beyond its drugs and hookers theme.

There are social stratas in Fallout 2. Have you played the game? There are people with wealth and people with power, and there are those who have neither, and that is apparent very, very quickly. What, you think some bodunk farmer is gonna orchestrate a whorehouse out in the sticks to fulfill some vice? No, of course not. A bunch of boss-men with guns are going to take over the blown out buildings of some city and turn it into a gambling den and get the wasteland to come to them. It's fucking genius! And it's also why it's a very common post-apocalyptic trope because it perfect sense if you know anything about human nature. The fact you are bewildered by guys organizing boxing matches and gambling in a post-apocalyptic world shows me you are seriously fucked if armageddon comes.

"What? A town need not produce anything of value to be of value."

That violates the law of physics in so many ways and is illogical.

 

[SinVraal]

Asheron's Call MMO (first truly massive 3D no-hand holding MMO, lacking in orcs, elfs, and other Tolkienesque bullshit), probably unheard here since most here seem to be ultimafags+tolkienfags.

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Played AC for 10 years.

One one hand I kind of regret how much I played but then again, it allowed me to avoid the complete collapse of the RPG genre. When I finally tried WoW I just couldn't get it. My joy of skill based systems began with Wasteland. AC was a great skill based game. And the game took some strategy to play effectively. You could set up macros but that only got you so far. When the shit hit the fan you needed to know how to cover your flanks, attack the correct critters, etc. Its dungeons had levers, traps and jumping puzzles too. I'm tempted to resub lol

 

[laclongquan]

"What? A town need not produce anything of value to be of value."

You mean a crappy filler town, perhaps? Sorry to disappoint you but there's no such thing in Fallout 2.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Freespace 2 (aka the pinnacle of a now dead genre), probably unheard of here until it was listed on GoG for the Codexian teen masses to consume. (In fact I can point out several Codexians saying as much.)
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I have this wonderful mental image of Lunac sitting in a pile of his own poo, waving a blunt crayon in the air and scrawling the names of offending Codexers into his hit list for the audacity, the sheer audacity, of daring to play a video game he likes, but after he played it. How dare they? When the revolution comes, they will be second against the wall, after only the lesser races. Then Lunac will be loved again.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

More like sitting on a pile of Arcade Fire and Arctic Monkeys CDs

Probably unheard here

probably not a favorite here

probably unheard here

probably unheard of here

 

[SinVraal]

More like sitting on a pile of Arcade Fire and Arctic Monkeys CDs

Probably unheard here

probably not a favorite here

probably unheard here

probably unheard of here

lol, but he has a point with Asheron's Call. Aside from AC forums no one I ever talk to has ever heard of it.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

What the fuck?

I have no issue with porn. My issue is that Fallout 2 has porn studios in a world where nobody has a way to play back video, or reproduce videos in any significant quantity. The most it has are holodisks/tapes, and up until Fallout 3 those were all text-only.


A tourist trap can't survive if nobody can get there. Sex, gambling and drugs make sense in local contexts. Problem is New Reno produces nothing but Jet and whores in a world where basic subsistence is still a daily concern. No food = no druggies and prostitutes.


There is a difference between an organized society with economic disparity and a large underclass, and a largely disorganized society where the vast majority of people can't even sleep without fear of being murdered and having their stuff stolen by a junkie or raider. Someone has to do the farming, build and maintain the houses, etc. Vice is fine because it lets people unwind - but New Reno goes too far because we never see anything beyond its drugs and hookers theme.

Pip boys can play videos. Don't ask me how.

I think the main problem with Fo2 isn't what is included, but what is omitted. In Fo1 every town had farming - fields and/or brahmin. One the other hand, if you'll look at random encounters, you'll see, that there's a shitload of farms around these towns. So, it's possible that farmers simply bring food to New Reno in exchange for vices. But then there isn't any market for that shown.

 

[laclongquan]

Yeah, the lack of a central market in New Reno is an oversight. We are talking about major caravans stopping here. You could argue that the Stable take all the unneeded brahmins, but where's the goods? Or the carts?

 

[sgc_meltdown]

Freespace 2 (aka the pinnacle of a now dead genre), probably unheard of here.

lololol I played freespace *1* and the lucifer was the biggest fucking ship ever and almost a pain to kill actually so where are my goddamn kool kredits awwwww yeaaa played privateer with god mode and rammed kilrathi capital ships to death and why are my campaign missions not progressing

 

[RK47]

Actually u can just finish the game with Orion max upgrade, ramming everything to death.
But nothing can beat dual FFx20 launchers on Centurion sporting 4 Plasma guns in Righteous Fire. I finished the Original Gemini Gold remake with that config and felt very comfortable.

 

[Grimlorn]

Freespace 2 (aka the pinnacle of a now dead genre), probably unheard of here.

lololol I played freespace *1* and the lucifer was the biggest fucking ship ever and almost a pain to kill actually so where are my goddamn kool kredits awwwww yeaaa played privateer with god mode and rammed kilrathi capital ships to death and why are my campaign missions not progressing

Yeah I played and beat Freespace 1 in the late 90s. I love those kinds of games, but there doesn't seem to be enough of them out. I haven't played Freespace 2 though.

 

[Raghar]

STBoF (Star Trek Birth of Federation), buggy as hell, but extremely replayable turn based strategy game. Probably unheard here since most here seem to be starwarsfags.

It had great simultaneous combat. All these species felt different.

 

[kingcomrade]

I never finished Arcanum. I hated the combat engine too much. I got pretty far, though.
Just remembered I have the soundtrack somewhere, been a while since I listened to it.

 

[DraQ]

Magic is basically the same - the spells follow almost exactly the same model throughout, with only very minor aesthetic differences (blue = ice, red = fire, purple = shock, turn off the graphics and sound effects and you'd never know which is which).

Actually that's one of about two things abut magic they definitely improved in Skyrim - they've started making elmental damage work differently - fire can ignite oil and gives some damage over time and damage amplification, lightning also depletes magicka while frost slows the target a bit and saps stamina. They also propagate differently on their way to target and when doing AoE damage.

Fallout 2 is Fallout with worse gameplay, a worse world, worse story, and filled with "lulz" and sex jokes. If you're starved for more Fallout or really like being able to do random things in a game, I can see why you might like it, but that doesn't make it a good game.

Pretend I've linked that Fallout development history/design docs interview here.

 

[Comrade Goby]

How the fuck can you not love Deus Ex?

The accents are part of the charm as well.

Also on topic Arcanum.

I liked everything I heard about but I've tried multiple times to play it and it didn't grab me.

 

[Spockrock]

Deus Ex had a crappy engine, couldn't stand how the game looked back then. no amount of C&C or dicking around with character skills could compensate for that. I'll take Fallout 2 over DE any day. 12 years later, it looks like a pile of colored bricks... how you people can stand it is beyond me

 

[Jasede]

:baby:

 

[RK47]

I can't get into Deus Ex cause I came in late. I played the second one first, then tried the first. Did not help much that I dislike the shaky shooting.

 

[Jaesun]

I can't get into Deus Ex cause I came in late. I played the second one first, then tried the first. Did not help much that I dislike the shaky shooting.

Why do you hate stat based RPG's?

 

[RK47]

what rpg? it was a shooter with stats. like mass effect.

 

[sser]

Pretty sure there is more role-playing to be had in the first level of Deus Ex than BioWare's entire catalogue this past decade.

 

[RK47]

I just felt the addition of stats to a shooter game seems ridiculous when the reticule just shakes and shakes when the player had faultless aims. Thank god DX:HR removed that.

 

[Sceptic]

what rpg? it was a shooter with stats. like mass effect.

Which you finished and LPed seven times

 

[RK47]

it had no shaky aims.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Pretty sure there is more role-playing to be had in the first level of Deus Ex than BioWare's entire catalogue this past decade.

Which are those RP moments? No sarcasm.