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KickStarter Shroud of the Avatar - Lord British's Not-Ultima Online 2

Discussion in 'MMO(RP)G / Online Discussion' started by Infinitron, Mar 1, 2013.

  1. taxalot I'm a spicy fellow. Patron

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    It's getting pathetic really. The last attempt at doing community is a deco contest everyone shrugged at.
    The patch notes are getting ridiculous. Here's the latest release addition
    I'm not saying that each month they should add new continents or something, but it's a sign that they have given up fixing base mechanics, empty towns, and broken quest lines.

    It's been ages since anything quest wise, content wise, or Episode 2 related has been showed. They're also down to making videos from home and you can only think they're in their underwear doing that. It's so fucking sad. Everybody who is still getting a paycheck on that MUST be looking for another job on the side because they can clearly see it coming.

    This is a game that is clearly dying : that they continue to sell expansive items and lots is close to a scam.
     
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    That Titler guy keeps posting that he has some kind of inside information on Portalarium and he has shopped it around to various news sites (including Ultima Codex) but that none of them will publish it. Why doesn't he just publish it himself on reddit or in a forum?

    I'm curious to know what Port was doing for the first few years of the project when they had millions of dollars, tons of good will from the fans and a solid staff of ~30 working on the game.
     
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  4. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Uh... here's all the inside information you need: the game was a scam.
     
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  5. taxalot I'm a spicy fellow. Patron

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    One thing you can't deny is that they documented the game well enough. Playable builds were released on a matter of months after the kickstarter and the game grew from there. Youtube videos document the whole process of making the game. You can see some of the early iterations of the game from there :



    It hasn't changed much.

    SOTA isn't a game with "cut content" or that eventually deviated : it fucked the backers who wanted a good single player from the very start. Someone with way too much time can see the entire process jsut from their youtube channel.
     
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    This "game" was an attempt to make an online trading post for RG's friends to sell digital real estate and goods to fans and other nerds (like myself). They didn't figure most of us are not interested in being serfs to 40 or 50 something dorks with more money than sense.

    Instead of making anything resembling fun, they shat out airships and hats and cloaks that clip through your body and it all caught up to them. Starr is out, Richard never really cared and now Chris livestreams to beg the last pennies out of the 5 people who still have hope.

    I'm glad I spent less than $200 on this shit. I do think the drama is priceless though.
     
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  7. taxalot I'm a spicy fellow. Patron

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    I backed it at the minimum pledge knowing well I would regret it. Funnily enough, back then my issue was supporting a game developer that wasted all his money to go to space, but whatever. I actually thought he could deliver on the initial premise : single player RPG in an open world with an Ultima like story. That's all there was to it. Absolutely no reason couldn't do it if he tried, even if it doesn't turn out to be a great game.

    In the end, I got a crappy game and tons of involuntary fun out of it. From the very moment they showed the art style they were going for, and the ambitions of the game, it was obvious it was headed towards a disaster. He should have gone single player, overhead, turn based, low-poly 3D or even 2D. If he had just done that, sure he wouldn't have been able to sell virtual plot of lands....

    ... but he would have managed to fund Episode 2 to 5.
     
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    This was the game that broke my hot Kickstarter backer streak. Knee-jerk backed at early bird level thanks to Garriott and his glossy hair and bedroom eyes and then pulled out after a couple of days when it was obvious it was going to be a disaster. To put this into context I also backed Star Citizen at about the same time, but this was the one that looked like the scam!

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  10. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Lots of fun in the comments:

     
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    If you look at steam charts, their fundraising numbers and their situation with their office and staff, it's clear the game is in a death spiral. The only question is how long will the few remaining whales continue to support the game because Portalarium has no shame in taking in every single dollar they can before they eventually run out of money and turn off the servers. And when it does end, I doubt there will be any admittance of mistakes, probably for both pride and legal reasons.
     
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  12. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    lol http://ultimacodex.com/2019/05/portalarium-please-send-me-my-shroud-of-the-avatar-box/

     
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    Was clear from day one.
     
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    https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/ultima-ix-ascension-review/1900-2531654/
    https://techcrunch.com/2008/04/09/t...velopers-confirm-downsizing-of-austin-studio/
    https://www.mmorpg.com/shroud-of-th...the-team-gives-up-its-office-space-1000051687

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    I will always give Garriott credit for his early achievements. The Ultima games (I played 3-9) were (mostly) amazing for their time (with the exception of IX where it started to go largely downhill). Ultima Online was amazing as well. It seems maybe the guy just lost his passion for gaming after UO, at least that is what it feels like. That is certainly what it *looks* like when you consider his track record of carnage after UO.
     
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    Title Name and Address

    DIRECTOR BRAD HARRISON

    CHIEF EXEC CHRIS SPEARS

    DIRECTOR ED TALBOT

    DIRECTOR HULL YOUNGBLOOD

    DIRECTOR RICHARD GARRIOTT DE CAYEUX

    DIRECTOR STARR LONG



    https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/coaSearchBtn

    (search for Portalarium and select the active Delaware entity to bring this up - Details/Public Information Report)​


    CEO of Portalarium as of May something 2019 has been updated.
     
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    They absolutely live up to their words, note that Spears is designated here as "Chief Exec" and not "Chief Executive Officer".

    Delivered as promised, none would expect anything less from Portalarium.
     
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    With another one of their devs leaving, Rick "Chaox" Holtrop, who the fuck even works on this dumpster fire anymore outside of shitlord Chris Spears?
     
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    They're moving into the right direction.

    They recently realized that most people quit the game in the first area, the Isle of Storms, which serve as character creation. Portalarium's conclusion was that the first area did not meet their standards of quality.

    So, they just removed the first area.

    The game now starts in the second area.
     
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    I predicted all of this six years ago within the first few pages of the thread.

    While the game has many issues, its biggest by far was the crowdfunding cash grab, because that ensured loads of people wouldn't even try the game at all. As I've said before/elsewhere, earning one's own persistent, non-instanced base/house/land/hideout/territory that occupies limited, finite public space within the game world is the holy grail of the sandbox MMORPG experience. Selling off the best ones to rich guys for cash years in advance doomed the game; indeed, on the MMORPG.com forums and other online spaces dedicated to discussing MMOs, hundreds and perhaps thousands of posters expressed exactly that sentiment long before the game went public.

    It's one thing for all the land to be occupied because you started playing the game years after its release, but quite another for it to be taken years BEFORE the game's release.
     
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    lul http://ultimacodex.com/2019/07/in-which-i-am-gifted-a-shroud-of-the-avatar-box/

     
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    Didn't read whole thread....... has the game reached Ultima Online quality levels yet?......

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  25. taxalot I'm a spicy fellow. Patron

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    The game has basically stopped evolving. They have deviated from monthly patches to quaterly patches. Last patches added merely items taken from the Unity store for house decorations and monetization. Episode 2 is being promised to start appearing "in the next update"' since almost last year.

    The game is running right now on a strange mix of Catch-22 and sunken cost fallacy. People support the game because if it crashes, then they will have supported it for nothing. On the other hand, developpers are still advertising monetization on a game that's spiraling to its death because the INSTANT they admit trouble, the game abruptly dies and everyone stops pouring money.

    And yet, you know it's going to happen. I log in once in a while to forums following what's up with the game. It's very quick to do because as I said above, the answer is : nothing. Everybody is watching and waiting for the inevitable moment of death, and for the drama that will happen when the hardcore deniers will scream at realizing all their spent money is about to vanish into thin air.

    I'm tempted to make another article about SOTA when this happens, maybe not on this forum because the main subject could be about how this game has basically targeted weak individuals, still traumatized from the death of their favorite series and almost death of the Ultima community, to scam them out of their money by providing them with only two things : hope and lies. People keep talking about Star Citizen because of its massive, but SOTA is effectively a mini, sped up version of the incoming crash and burn of Star Citizen. The game is shit, but its background story is as fascinating as it is horrifying.
     
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