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SMT: Nocturne

Cryomancer

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I will try strange journey if I can use magic there.

Anyway, reached the top of "red temple" and the boss with a single "Earthquake" killed all of my demons and leaved me with little to no hp. I will grind more and try again in few levels. Also try to get more physical resistance.
 

Jermu

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nocturne is the only game I can think of that is impossible to beat (hard TDE) without grinding to level 150+ or something if you don't use buffs/debuffs not sure about exact figure, but its over 99

so if you are struggling
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regarding strange journey magic attacks are better than phys attacks for mc but attributes you gain are random. only factor that helps is quiz you take start of game
the decision do you want to play original or redux then is debatable, if you don't mind older look I would play original but both are great. newer adds new content + endings but is easier with new QoL stuff and has obnoxious additional dungeon
 
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Jermu

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its very very rare that mot spams beast eye
if u are struggling
use buffs retard

its even doable with lvl 40 mc if u know what u are doing and have some luck

 

Jermu

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use buffs retard

if thats not enough your vit is too low -> get endure and/or life surge. life surge is more constant strategy depending on your dmg
 
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Completed the game(normal). Is the game in hard mode that insane?
https://samurai-gamers.com/shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-hd-remaster/game-difficulty-6/

It's not insane aside from really unlucky ambushes where they can hit your weaknesses too. An appropriately leveled and skilled party can one turn or close to one turn most random encounters and for bosses the multiplicative power of buffing and debuffing means that one war cry or something makes it normal mode again.

I don't think "enemies attack the party's weak point more frequently" is really a thing. I think it's more "enemies will intentionally NOT use moves you are weak to" below Hard. Hard doesn't have them mercilessly exploiting your weaknesses over and over, it just means that for most enemies if they have 3 abilities they are gonna have a 1 in 3 chance to use each one.

Also its not mentioned but I think you had reduced chances to die from instant death abilities below hard.

Fuck the 3x shop price thing though. Literally just forces you to grind, actually cheating yourself infinite money feels less exploitative than constantly being way overleveled due to wanting to buy all the magatamas
 

Nathir

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An annoying part of this game was how the three factions are all caricatures of actual beliefs. Iirc, all three are retarded and bizarre enough to be impossible to actually support.

I still don't get why angels have supported Yosuga which is pretty much chaos ideology.


I still don't get why angels have supported Yosuga which is pretty much chaos ideology.
That was pretty weird, nothing makes sense with the factions.
The angels support Yosuga because they think of themselves as the strongest, most fit to rule. It's not a concept that should be chaos exclusive.

Reasons are concepts representing the characters way of thinking not chaos/law ideals.

After replaying the game this is what I got from the story/characters.

Hikawa and Yuko are the two adults that set everything into motion. Hikawa clearly has a plan in mind beforehand and is the mastermind behind the Conception, who is only using Yuko for personal gain.

Yuko as a character is a dissilusioned woman. She doesn't like the world and where it's going, but even more than that she is bored and doesn't know what to do with her own life. She goes along with Hikawa in hopes of some vague changes and improvements happening but has no idea what kinds of changes. Even when she summons Aradia she expects Aradia to give her a reason, when a reason cannot be created by a demon but only by humans. Her arc is basically realizing that the problem wasn't the world but herself. If you side with her you revert everything and the end lesson is we all have to try harder to make the world a better place and find purpose.

Hikawa on the other hand is world-weary and experienced. He thinks humans are inherently corrupt, the world will always be shit because of that, and wants to reshape the world in his reason of Shijima. With some buddhist theming around the character and the philosophy I can only think his reason is basically for every human to reach Nirvana. The end goal is to remove all kinds of negative traits and emotions that could lead to suffering. Want, lust, greed, ambition etc. Things like passion would just be collateral damage. These are bad and the end result will always be pain and suffering, the only solution to save humanity and world itself is for people to reach a zen like Nirvana state.

Then you have the two Highschoolers. First the game introduces us to the group dynamics. Chiaki is used to bossing Isamu around, who fumbles a lot but tries to do good. The player character is silent and is on good terms with both. They get caught in the whole Conception and try to survive as best as they can.

Isamu is at first trying to find and help Yuko. But after failing again and again he eventually becomes resentful. He only gets beaten and pushed around. Probably tortured in the prison aswell. He snaps, takes it out on the MC accuses you of never helping him etc. and dissapears into the Amala network, resulting in the eventual summon of Noah and the reason of Musubi. What is happening here I think is a tale of a bullied kid (in the hospital he was already the butt of the jokes at the start) starting to hate the world more and more and finally retreating into the Amala Network (internet) and his reason being one where everyone lives on their own. I've seen people say this is a world where everyone would live in their own pocket dimensions or something like that, which makes no sense as to how would that even work as an actual "world". I don't think the reasons are meant to be taken that literally. I think what Isamus story and his reasoning hint at is the growing rise of isolation and loss of interaction/local communities and the rise of otakus and neets. He wants a world where that would be supported and encouraged. Where you could thrive without talking to or relying on anyone but yourself. Also Isamu being hidden inside Noah is a neat detail.

Chiaki is a pretty girl that is shown to be used to tell people what to do and is pretty confident. She is determined to make something out of her in the vortex world and to stay on top, just as she was (probably) a popular student coming from a well off family. Her true character and personality are revealed as she gets progressively more and more obsessed with getting power. Her reason of Yosuga is the most straightforward reason out of all. The "strong" (herself) should determine what is the best for everyone and should be at the top of the food chain. Enforcing rules they create and being obeyed as the only authority. Obviously there will be violence and suppression but its ok because might makes right. Chiaki is probably the most meatheaded character in the game with very strong beliefs and willpower. But not any kind of nuance. She also likenes beauty with strength multiple times, as if they are correlated. Ironically in obtaining strength, she becomes demonic and loses her beauty. She is essentially the most popular girl in highschool that wants to run the show.

There's more I wanted to say but I can't remember it all atm.
 

MakenBro

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Yuko as a character is a dissilusioned woman. She doesn't like the world and where it's going, but even more than that she is bored and doesn't know what to do with her own life. She goes along with Hikawa in hopes of some vague changes and improvements happening but has no idea what kinds of changes. Even when she summons Aradia she expects Aradia to give her a reason, when a reason cannot be created by a demon but only by humans. Her arc is basically realizing that the problem wasn't the world but herself. If you side with her you revert everything and the end lesson is we all have to try harder to make the world a better place and find purpose.

The manikins are proof that Yuko isn't wrong about her assessment of most humans being passionless and ambitionless in modern times. Manikins are human emotions that didn't get wiped by the Conception, and there are very few manikins with drive or passion, most of them are obvious, self-centered and boring, except Sakahagi and Futomimi.
And while the game tries to keep it subtle, reverting the world to its pre-Conception state is Yuko's Reason. Kagatsuchi calls Demifiend "bearer of unnamed Reason" when you confront him. But Demi-fiend can't come up with a Reason, because he's a demon (albeit with a human soul), and then there's the matter of Yuko remembering what happened during the ending.
In the end, what you get from confronting Hikawa in the Diet Building is that Yuko jumped on the "millions must die" mantra a bit too quickly, and seeing what other kind of worlds the others wanted to create made clear the old world was the least worse scenario. Nocturne is just about late 90s-Early 2000s hysterics, every Reason boils down to believing that society is stagnating and everyone has their own idea on how to fix it.
 

Nathir

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Yuko as a character is a dissilusioned woman. She doesn't like the world and where it's going, but even more than that she is bored and doesn't know what to do with her own life. She goes along with Hikawa in hopes of some vague changes and improvements happening but has no idea what kinds of changes. Even when she summons Aradia she expects Aradia to give her a reason, when a reason cannot be created by a demon but only by humans. Her arc is basically realizing that the problem wasn't the world but herself. If you side with her you revert everything and the end lesson is we all have to try harder to make the world a better place and find purpose.

The manikins are proof that Yuko isn't wrong about her assessment of most humans being passionless and ambitionless in modern times. Manikins are human emotions that didn't get wiped by the Conception, and there are very few manikins with drive or passion, most of them are obvious, self-centered and boring, except Sakahagi and Futomimi.
And while the game tries to keep it subtle, reverting the world to its pre-Conception state is Yuko's Reason. Kagatsuchi calls Demifiend "bearer of unnamed Reason" when you confront him. But Demi-fiend can't come up with a Reason, because he's a demon (albeit with a human soul), and then there's the matter of Yuko remembering what happened during the ending.
In the end, what you get from confronting Hikawa in the Diet Building is that Yuko jumped on the "millions must die" mantra a bit too quickly, and seeing what other kind of worlds the others wanted to create made clear the old world was the least worse scenario. Nocturne is just about late 90s-Early 2000s hysterics, every Reason boils down to believing that society is stagnating and everyone has their own idea on how to fix it.

I agree in general with this, but just wanted to say the old world is not strictly a "least worse" scenario, after all it was the catalyst the conception happened in the first place.
 

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