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@Vladimir: He wasn't nerfed because he was OP but because he was ridiculously boring to lane against and encouraged passivity after level 9. If you're having trouble with him there are two counters to him: Ignite and Executioner's Calling. Both of them reduce healing to the afflicted character. They also help against warwick and other sustainability champs.

@Easy farmers: Sion, Sivir and Singed all contend for first price since they can annihilate creep waves with little trouble.

@Mordekaiser: Mordekaiser es numero uno! Huehuehuehue, best shield, best damage, always wins.

@Jungling tier list:
1: Amumu, nunu
2: Warwick, Lee Sin, Nocturne
3: Rammus, Xin Zhao, Trundle
4: Shit tier
5: Don't read tier lists, they dull your brain and turn you into a retard. Try and play them yourself.
 

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Udyr, Yi and Irelia is shit jungle tier?

Also yes tier lists are bullshit, just play what you want otherwise game gets stale with allways the same picks.
 

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The final point on the list was supposed to signal that it was a joke list. I rather like Udyr and intend to buy him, the other two should be kept in the lane from what I've seen.
 

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Udyr's manhood is bigger than yours. I'd also like to hear more about this radical idea that Udyr is a slow jungler.
 

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Yi is a great ganker, get red turn ult on run in few hits and alpha strike running enemy. Also he is pretty fast at jungling after few lvls his AS just one shots most mobs. Also I dont like yi in lane he is very squishy to try outharass enemy, he is much better at comming from behind when they dont expect you. Good yi's will allways go in last in the team fights when they know enemy allready commited to your teammates.
irelia could be even better at ganking. Again get red, try to get your hp lower than whoever you ganking and then just q to them and stun them with your e. I used to lane with her a lot and I actually do prefer a lane but I kept being told by much better players, that she is a better jungler then laner. I dont think her jungling is the fastest but its far from worse.
 

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I don't think having to have red buff makes you a great ganker when there are champions that can gank excellently without it. :?

I think Yi is better in lane because he is strongest when he is insanely farmed and that generally means solo lane.

I actually do prefer a lane but I kept being told by much better players
You really shouldn't listen to "better player" when your brain tells you something else. It's quite likely that their experiences are based on different environments and there less useful to you. Some of them are also full of shit.
 

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Pony King, Udyr is fast. He's just not on par with the others in terms of usefullness for the group.
 

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@Grunker
It's not like i diagree, but... how do you define usefulness? I've seen you deride the best magic based dps in the game (Mordekaiser) and now you pretend that off-tank and tanky dps aren't viable roles. :?
 

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Pony King said:
@Grunker
It's not like i diagree, but... how do you define usefulness? I've seen you deride the best magic based dps in the game (Mordekaiser) and now you pretend that off-tank and tanky dps aren't viable roles. :?

Umm... Again, I dislike using this argument, but you realize that Mordekaiser was one of the very few champs not played or banned at all during Dreamhack, except in one game by a team that was knocked out ultra-fast? He is not played at high elos at all. Why? No CC, low damage compared to AP-carries. You can basically ignore him in Team-fights if you've got some MR (which every sane person buys).

Buy the way, how did you get that I said tanky DPS isn't a viable role? I've basically been praising nothing but the awesomeness of tanky DPS for five pages now :lol:
 

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I am very interested in how Mordekaiser isn't viable.

For example, I've read that "Morde es #1" and also "Hauahauhahauhau."

I haven't seen him played in any high elos, even though he's tough as nails. I read the only problem is due to his AoE attacks he cannot not push his lane. Also he requires a solo lane.

I am level 26 so you are warranted in calling me a noob faggot who knows nothing.
 

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Morde es #1 huehahueha is pretty much a meme on the League of Legends forums.
 

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Haha yeah man I know. Brazilians love their Morde.

How do I know a champ is good if he lacks CC? What kind of things would compensate?

I am always kind of pissed when a Champ doesn't have CC. Nasus's slow isn't even good CC.
 

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You shouldn't do like the pros I think. Morde is a faceroll champ on your level. He will destroy teams by himself, basically :)

What holds true for ranked players with 500 wins under their wings doesn't for new players. So play what you'd like, is my advice :)
 

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That Riot team versus Pro support was amazing.

Are there any other good matches from recently?

I don't want to see a match though from years ago where Heimdinger has like 6 turrets.
 

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@Grunker
I watched the entirety of dreamhack except the east Asian teams because I have better things to do. I also haven't read the entire thread and don't really care what you wrote as my problem is with your more recent posts.
Udyr does two things well from what I've seen: Tanky DPS and off-tank. Since you've said that Udyr lacks doesn't bring much to the team, you must have a problem with those roles. Or did you forget to add the part where your specified why Udyr doesn't bring anything to the team even though he fills two good roles?

About Murderkaiser, he was fielded once in dreamhack and helped an otherwise peripheral team beat one of the best north american teams. That is obviously really bad.
Mordekaiser has:
  • Innate tankiness from his passive
    One of the highest scaling non-ultimate AP dps abilities in his q (I think)
    A shield
    An ultimate that allows him to get the enemy carry as a minion
    He wins every lane when the players are of equal skill (Opinion! : x )
I see him as a solid choice when your team isn't lacking CC as that is Murderkaiser's biggest weakness.

@Teepo
A team needs the following:
Tank
AD carry
AP carry
Support.
A team can include the following:
Jungler
Roamer
Some (most) characters do best when they fall in between the four topmost categories, only the roamer specifically involve CC and as such it is usually spread around the 5 champions on a team. You have enough when you can successfully keep the enemies from team fighting properly. That last part is an opinion and I'm sure that others have different views.

@About good recent matches: Anything with Doublelift as Blitzcrank or poppy. Seeing a top player face check bushes in tournament matches has some slapstick value.
Fnatic on dreamhack day2+ was quite spectacular. I'd actually recommend most of the championship matches: http://season-one-championship.eu.leagueoflegends.com/
 

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Since you've said that Udyr lacks doesn't bring much to the team, you must have a problem with those roles.

That's some logic right there. How about there's champions that do what he does but who do it a lot better? Self-sustaining-supress Warwick, or über-CC Jarvan. Anything Udyr can do, they can do better. They are slightly slower in the jungle, granted, but next to the value they bring to team-fights, this is of no concern.

Innate tankiness from his passive
One of the highest scaling non-ultimate AP dps abilities in his q (I think)
A shield
An ultimate that allows him to get the enemy carry as a minion
He wins every lane when the players are of equal skill (Opinion! )

1) It is very miniscule

2) This is very untrue. Champs like Annie scale much, much, much better. Other examples of champions who do much more damage with scaling include Brand, Rumble, Anivia and more.

3) Which doesn't do much compared to, for example, Jarvans

4) Indeed, one of his only strengths

5) He can't not push if he wants creep kills. I cannot stress how huge a disadvantage this is in Arranged Ranked.

Basically, Mordekaiser is a tanky AP. That's his role. In this role, he competes with champs such as Gragas and Rumble. The solo top spot, as it is. Both have CC that fucks Mordekaiser's over without trying (in fact he has no CC at all), are easily as tanky as him, can deal more damage, have waaaaaaay better Harass and spell range, and do not have to push lanes to get creep kills. How is this not an advantage?

I can see absolutely no reason whatsoever to play Morde, unless it's to faceroll people who don't know how to play against him.

What makes the opposing team unable to ignore a tanky champ? Damage or CC. Mordekaiser has neither.

In comes down to this: You have your AP-carry mid. You have your support and Ranged AD bot. Now you need a top. Morde fills this slot, but there are many champs that are way better at it than him. Later, in team-fighting, gragas can control the fight while rumble can destroy the enemy team. Or, for another tactic, Nidalee, another good top champ, can split push while 4 players either hold back 5 or push while opposing players go for a gank.

If you still hold to the belief that Morde is teh awezum, then peace be with you! To be honest, I quite enjoy it with when the community is proved to be massively collectively wrong (as they would be if your claims about Mordekaiser were true). It's just that events like that happen very rarely, for a good reason.

Morde is thought of by mid to low-range Elo players as the bomb for the same reasons Tryndamere and Rammus are. People don't know how to play around him.
 

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Grunker said:
You shouldn't do like the pros I think. Morde is a faceroll champ on your level. He will destroy teams by himself, basically :)

What holds true for ranked players with 500 wins under their wings doesn't for new players. So play what you'd like, is my advice :)

Yeah, pretty much. Watched my friend play some low level games after the championships and it was agonizing to watch them use tactics used in the champs. I'm not saying that they are tactics far beyond their skill level, it's just that it doesn't quite work. Kinda like jungling at low level games. Jungling only really works if the other team jungles. Otherwise you're guaranteed to have one lane demolished and 2 dudes farmed hard, possibly even fed since it's a 2v1, unless that 1 dude laning alone is a fucking boss, or the jungler is and can carry his team enough to make up for the shitty laning phase for that one dude.
And not to forget when people say champs like Twitch are shit, that only applies to high ranked games. Otherwise you should just go nuts with whatever champ you like and have fun with it.
 

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Pony King said:
I don't think having to have red buff makes you a great ganker when there are champions that can gank excellently without it. :?

I think Yi is better in lane because he is strongest when he is insanely farmed and that generally means solo lane.

I actually do prefer a lane but I kept being told by much better players
You really shouldn't listen to "better player" when your brain tells you something else. It's quite likely that their experiences are based on different environments and there less useful to you. Some of them are also full of shit.

You dont need red buff to sucessfully gank with Yi and Irelia but you should allways have it on any jungler before a gank in an early lvls. Also my first "main" was a laning yi and I destroyed other teams for the first 20 or so lvls, but he isn't as good in lane at higher lvls unless its an AP yi.

Like I said people should stick to what they like and feel comfortable with, unless you playing Yorick. You shouldnt play yorick.

Also do people want to start playing together as a team? Maybe post your in game names? Mine is same as here, I have about 700+ games under my belt so if anyone wants to play together just hit me up.
 

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Since I can't sleep I idly click on a high elo stream and see:
33kur85.jpg

Murderkaiser! FYI the guy who plays him has 2375 solo que elo and a 55% win-rate with the useless Murderkaiser.
I doubt that I will continue this discussion as the arguments become increasingly silly i.e. Annie is a burst caster that smokes fools and therefore not comparable to what Murderkaiser does.

@Hoboelf
Good to know that I'm a boss junger then, since I just won a game with a 1v2 lane as jungle Amumu. :lol:
More seriously, certain lanes are fine 1v2 e.g. Singed rocks even when outnumbered.

@Mugarod
You should always play champions that you're comfortable and experienced with, I agree. Amumu and Nunu are still better gankers though, and don't suffer from red buff addiction.
Also, your AP runepage has armor pen quints in it. Please explain.
 

mugarod

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Its Armour Penetration not ability power runepage )) My ability power runepage called magic penetration )), I usually just play tanks or ad chars anyway I keep of thinking to get more runes but I am more or less satisfied with what I have. I just get new chars with ip

Lol I looked at my pages and yeah I am wrong I do have Armour penetration quints in my ability power page. Like I said I dont really care about ability power heroes that much anyway, the ones I do play have some physical atacks anyway like irelia, akali katarina etc
 

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No one can deny power of Mordekaiser.
Double Warmogs+ Force of nature and Thormail on him and Id like to see you ignore him when he wrecks your towers and turns your carry into his bitch.

Grag and Rumble are good too but how many people are good with them? Can count them on fingers. While Mord is much more easier and rewarding to play.
 

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What are peoples thoughts on the following support characters?:
Sona
Soraka
Taric
Janna
I'll need to buy some support at some point and am wondering about their respective strengths and weaknesses.
 

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