Sol Invictus
Erudite
Yes, he was.
The fact that it doesn't actually exist, for one thing. Do you have it? Do you know anyone who has it? Didn't think so. All we've seen is an easily-falsified demo. That is not proof of existence. Therefore, due to failure to convincingly prove the existence of the actual game, I must conclude that it does not exist. He may actually MAKE such a game, in an attempt to make the lie catch up to reality, but the things like this have a disturbing way of falling very, very, short. Especially when you're dealing with EA.Sol Invictus said:I don't know how you're able to say all that, Norfleet. On what facts do you base your accusations of the game's supposed fakeness?
Proves nothing. Demos are rigged. Everyone knows that. The fact that they haven't even bothered to make the demo available is proof: It's not actually functional beyond the minimum level needed to look shiny. You will notice how in the video, he finishes just about every simple stage in minutes, and skips over the rest. Clearly, this is either all there is in the game, and he wishes to exaggerate its actual content, or there simply IS no game, and the "demo" is fake. Maxians have been known to lie practically compulsively. Are we to believe that the Chief does not have the longest nose of them all?BetterNights said:And wasn't Wright actually PLAYING a Spore demo at the GDC?
Nah. If those two told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't even believe it was supposed to be so until I double checked that. With Will Wright, I'd just double-check it at convenience, then report it as a bug if it wasn't. I do not, however, subscribe to pie-in-the-sky speculation. Besides, a critical look at my position reveals it to be unassailable: No matter what happens, I still win. Certainly no position is more superior than one which can only result in a win/win scenario. Besides, I run a rather busy shop cleaning up Will Wright's failures to deliver: I think I know what I'm talking about here.Sol Invictus said:I think you're confusing Will Wright with George Broussard and Peter Molyneux.
That is generally the logical view of things. I don't happen to be religious.NeutralMilkHotel said:Ignore Norfleet. Non-existance until proven is his gimmick.
Naw. I have a long and verified existence as my own identity. You can search me and check my cred.I'm guessing he's a second account of someone to get a rise out of people.
Besides, a critical look at my position reveals it to be unassailable: No matter what happens, I still win. Certainly no position is more superior than one which can only result in a win/win scenario. Besides, I run a rather busy shop cleaning up Will Wright's failures to deliver: I think I know what I'm talking about here.
Very true, but there's no proof that it will be. As such, adopting my view of the matter puts you in a clearly win/win position no matter what happens. This makes it clearly the correct position.obediah said:It will be freaking awesome if the promise is realized. However, I agree with Norfleet in spirit at least that it a hyped pile of shit until I've played it and am convinced it's not a house of cards.
Really, now? You've actually observed the REAL GAME? I highly doubt this. You have almost certainly observed the movie clip of the alleged demo. Note, however, that none of the viewers were permitted to handle it in the clip. Note furthermore that there is no actual game, merely a rigged demo. In light of this, it must be pointed out that you have not, in fact, observed the actual game. The existence of a quite-likely-rigged demo is not conclusive proof of existence for the actual game in question. Many games which ultimately failed to materialize still managed to produce rigged demos and screenshots (*cough* DNF *cough*). Furthermore, it should be emphasized that both EA and Maxis have a longstanding history of producing rigged demos and scenes, and that Will Wright has not demonstrated himself to be a man of integrity by his actions: He sold out to EA and habitually perpetuates falsehood and deception. He is a slimy weasel who only could be more devoid of any semblance of integrity only if he took up the occupation of a lawyer, or went into politics. Nothing he says can be trusted without proof.Seven said:Oh yeah right, an assailable position? Wow, you really got us now because clearly saying that something does not exist (even though my own eyes have observed it) puts you in a win-win situation so long as we take your word for it.
Norfleet said:Ultimately, in the absence of proof, I choose to disbelieve the wild and grandiose claims. You are free to believe as you wish, but remember this: No matter what happens, I still win. If the game never materializes, I win. If the game materializes and falls way short of the target, I still win. If the game is absolutely freaking awesome, I STILL WIN. My position is no-lose.
Nope.Norfleet said:...disbelieve the wild and grandiose claims... *snip*...If the game is absolutely freaking awesome, I STILL WIN. My position is no-lose.
Norfleet said:Very true, but there's no proof that it will be. As such, adopting my view of the matter puts you in a clearly win/win position no matter what happens. This makes it clearly the correct position.obediah said:It will be freaking awesome if the promise is realized. However, I agree with Norfleet in spirit at least that it a hyped pile of shit until I've played it and am convinced it's not a house of cards.
Really, now? You've actually observed the REAL GAME? I highly doubt this. You have almost certainly observed the movie clip of the alleged demo. Note, however, that none of the viewers were permitted to handle it in the clip. Note furthermore that there is no actual game, merely a rigged demo. In light of this, it must be pointed out that you have not, in fact, observed the actual game. The existence of a quite-likely-rigged demo is not conclusive proof of existence for the actual game in question. Many games which ultimately failed to materialize still managed to produce rigged demos and screenshots (*cough* DNF *cough*). Furthermore, it should be emphasized that both EA and Maxis have a longstanding history of producing rigged demos and scenes, and that Will Wright has not demonstrated himself to be a man of integrity by his actions: He sold out to EA and habitually perpetuates falsehood and deception. He is a slimy weasel who only could be more devoid of any semblance of integrity only if he took up the occupation of a lawyer, or went into politics. Nothing he says can be trusted without proof.Seven said:Oh yeah right, an assailable position? Wow, you really got us now because clearly saying that something does not exist (even though my own eyes have observed it) puts you in a win-win situation so long as we take your word for it.
Ultimately, in the absence of proof, I choose to disbelieve the wild and grandiose claims. You are free to believe as you wish, but remember this: No matter what happens, I still win. If the game never materializes, I win. If the game materializes and falls way short of the target, I still win. If the game is absolutely freaking awesome, I STILL WIN. My position is no-lose.