Starfield Thread - now with Shattered Space horror expansion

[LanciaArdita]

My point was, Morrowind was shit and didn't innovate anything that became a staple of open world RPGs. Gothic came before Morrowind and is the better game.

Mhm, I neither fully agree nor disagree.

The minutiae of the Elder Scroll setting is pretty neat, and IMO one of the better ways of handling Divinity in a fantasy game. It tackles philosophical stuff like pantheism, deism, creation mythos, immanence, transcendence and so forth. It is leaps and bounds ahead the DnD MO, which is basically an inflation of apotheosis and divine intervention.

Gameplay-wise Morrowind was also pretty neat in regards to immersive fast travel, levitation (due to cities not being walled in a separate cell like in Oblivion) and a very peculiar way of handling the faction system.

IMO both Morrowind, and Gothic 1&2 were incline compared to the latter elder scrolls entries and stuff like Gothic IV/Arcania/Whatever was the name of that steaming disaster.

 

[Caim]

You can say what you want, but Strafield is a really great representation of Abbos.

mamma mia

 

[Moink]

 

[Modron]

Didn't think I'd see a harsher than CP2077's 5 dollar clearance sale.

 

[Butter]

Didn't think I'd see a harsher than CP2077's 5 dollar clearance sale.

They had to tape copies of Fallout 76 to hard drives to get rid of them.

 

[Vic]

"supplier is funding this action"

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

Are there any good games using zero G combat in non-space (i.e. the void) locations?

"dead space" had no-gravity sequences iirc.

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Are there any good games using zero G combat in non-space (i.e. the void) locations?

"dead space" had no-gravity sequences iirc.

Not sure if later games fix it but they suck in the original. Not the same at all.

 

[Vic]

Vic is a nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger.

Is this a cry for help?

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Why not take the discs out the case and give them away as free coasters at that point? Why even bother selling it for 3c?

Vic is a nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger,nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger.

Is this a cry for help?

I thought it didn't bother you so I decided to keep it as a peace offering. I hope you'll chill the fuck out and stop being a nigger now.

 

[Vic]

 

[Vic]

 

[Silverfish]

"Leave Britney alone!" but two hours.

 

[Caim]

At some 4:40 in the guy talks about where the hate for Emil started, and one of the ancient search results we see from 2007 was from the Codex, but less than half a minute later he manages to find the source of all Fallout hate: none other than our very own Bradylama.

 

[Yosharian]

So I'll be honest I was ready to annihilate NNB for this one, but the more I watch of this video, the more I agree with him. To my shock, it seems actually true that Emil's been unfairly assassinated (lol) for the content of that Copenhagen speech. It IS a shit speech (NNB says as much), but the discussion around it has been equally retarded tbh.

What I will not do is forgive Emil for his shit work on Fallout 3, Fallout 4, or Starfield (which he is additionally the lead designer on as well as lead writer). He clearly isn't a good writer, judging him solely by the product of his work.

 

[Butter]

The question remains "How did this absolutely horrid Outer Worlds-tier garbage on the left ever get released?"

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

The question remains "How did this absolutely horrid Outer Worlds-tier garbage on the left ever get released?"

The shadows still look like an N64 game.

 

[Taxnomore]

NKB has a point.

Is Emil responsible for Bethesda's writing ? Probably, at least to some share. Maybe even extensively.
Is he the sole responsible ? Who knows. What about Todd. What about Microsoft. Heck, what about HR.

Ultimately, the point is that the writing in Starfield doesn't justify ad hominem and misinformation. It doesn't justify to call for his firing, since Bethesda doesn't work for gamers, but for themselves and Microsoft. How can anyone feel betrayed by the writing when it was widely criticized since launch ? They don't force you to buy their games, and you have plenty of information about their quality online.

The quality of Starfield is Bethesda's fault, as a collective entity. Nobody but themselves know how they work internally. But whatever, it doesn't excuse harrasment and misinformation.

I'll push it even further. NNB's video, if you put in parallel with Hbomber's video point at a larger Youtube problem. Criticism is plagiarized, and unchecked. By the end point, the source of the facts is too obscure to even bother checking, but the important is that content is generated and that people watch the video asserting their opinion to the end.

It reminds me of that Civ1 legend about Gandhi nuking everyone. Everyone was sure of it, because they had it from a reliable source, which themselves had it from another source. None of these sources had bothered to check though, and it was all a lie in the end.

The point of NNB's video is not Starfield's quality or who's responsible for it. It's the fact that it doesn't allow you to spout nonsense online.

 

[Yosharian]

I just realised I called NeverKnowsBest 'NNB', but it should actually be 'NKB'

 

[Halfling Rodeo]

Bethesda doesn't work for gamers, but for themselves and Microsoft.

No. They work for the people buying their product and anything else is stupid modernity. They work for ME when I pay my money for their product and literally nothing else is ever going to be true in the entertainment industry.

The quality of Starfield is Bethesda's fault, as a collective entity. Nobody but themselves know how they work internally. But whatever, it doesn't excuse harrasment and misinformation.

Did CNN tell you to spew this garbage? Crying harassment is utterly stupid when you choose to engage with people. I can post on Twitter and never read a single other person's post or I could stay off the internet. It's not harassment to shit in public and people telling you it stinks.

 

[Butter]

No. They work for the people buying their product and anything else is stupid modernity. They work for ME when I pay my money for their product and literally nothing else is ever going to be true in the entertainment industry.

ESG.

 

[Late Bloomer]

The point of NNB's video is not Starfield's quality or who's responsible for it. It's the fact that it doesn't allow you to spout nonsense online.

fag

 

[destinae vomitus]

The problem with Emil is that his talents lie in designing levels/scenarios yet he ended up as the lead designer and in turn writer for Fallout 3, which happened less so due to merit but rather mainly because of the vacuum left behind by Ken Rolston after he departed, which someone had to fill no matter what so why not put the guy who made the most well-received quests in Oblivion in charge. Their games proceeded to sell more than ever and morons even lauded the writing (Fallout 3 got awards just for its story mind you ), so from their insular perspective it was clearly the right move and thus he's been entrenched into that position ever since. People also seem to overlook the fact that at the end of the day he's answering to Todd "you might want to upgrade your PC" Howard, a literal liar who schmoozed and lucked his way to the top position of the studio back in the day.

 

[Silverfish]

NKB has a point.

He does, but a defense of Emil is a hard sell if you've ever played a game he's worked on. He's absolutely right though about "analysis" style youtubers being sloppy and leaning too hard into biases.

 

[Shadenuat]

So gamerz praised loved and bought f3 oblidvion skyhrim f4 multiple times brought beth bilions but *now* they realise writeng is bad and witchhunt random dev for it?
Petty children didn't get toy they wanted heh