Starfield Thread - now with Shattered Space horror expansion

[Zed Duke of Banville]

I agree 100%. EVERY SINGLE system in Starfield is underwhelming compared to Fallout 4 (even Fallout 3). I'm 25 hours in and the game has gotten worse, not better.
...
but I'm at level 10 and I still feel as strong as I did at level 1.
...

Glancing at my saves, I had leveled up 18 times in the number of hours it took you to level up 9 times. Not sure what activities you're engaging in, but I probably would have abandoned the game if advancement had been that excruciatingly slow. Even as things are, the game feels much slower than it should be, due in part to the poor UI and ubiquitous loading screens.

How can this company have fans is beyond me. At this point, for real and no joke there should be some psychologists and/or psychiatrists analyzing this fanbase. It's unreal how reason and arguments do not get through to these NPCs. Which just reinforces my belief that some companies that are very successful utilize psychological understanding to develop techniques implemented in the gameplay loops that create some sort of addiction of some description.

 

[Vyvian]

Bethesda can't code. Linux user realizes fuck up and fixes it, improving performance dramatically (but only for Linux users)
https://github.com/HansKristian-Work/vkd3d-proton/pull/1694

Incredible.

 

[Ulysa]

How can this company have fans is beyond me. At this point, for real and no joke there should be some psychologists and/or psychiatrists analyzing this fanbase. It's unreal how reason and arguments do not get through to these NPCs. Which just reinforces my belief that some companies that are very successful utilize psychological understanding to develop techniques implemented in the gameplay loops that create some sort of addiction of some description.
And Bethesda is nothing but a collection of crooks that lucked their way into success. In this world you can truly make the lowest of the lowest effort products and you can make a career out of it and be acclaimed. And as an added bonus even get an army of NPC simps to provide protection detail online and IRL. Fuck this w..

I am getting fun. Who knows. The dialogues are fun and make me laugh something that BG3 and the likes never did for me with its weirdo -lets fuck a bear- type of humor. I am loving landing on planets I choose and taking pictures. I actually like the companions, they are not empty sexopaths, they resemble normal people. The other day I did the Terrormorph quest and it was a love letter to my favorite movie. Impossible not to love for me.
The gameplay is pew pew, but for over-thinking and strategy I would have fun with an X-Com game or Pathfinder , I am at state in my life in which I can appreciate a casual gameplay too. And to be fair this has a lot more rpg elements than the last Bethesda games, but it is also more like a sandbox too.
Sue me dude.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

How can this company have fans is beyond me. At this point, for real and no joke there should be some psychologists and/or psychiatrists analyzing this fanbase. It's unreal how reason and arguments do not get through to these NPCs. Which just reinforces my belief that some companies that are very successful utilize psychological understanding to develop techniques implemented in the gameplay loops that create some sort of addiction of some description.
And Bethesda is nothing but a collection of crooks that lucked their way into success. In this world you can truly make the lowest of the lowest effort products and you can make a career out of it and be acclaimed. And as an added bonus even get an army of NPC simps to provide protection detail online and IRL. Fuck this w..

I am getting fun.

 

[Lemming42]

Bethesda seems pretty unique in that people who don't enjoy their games will still keep playing every new release. Imagine if like, Total War had a dedicated community of people who do not like Total War games at their very core but have still played every game since Medieval 2 just to complain that, yep, it's still Total War and they still don't like it. "I can't believe it! It's basic grand strategy with real-time battles again!" It sure is.

There's obviously much to criticise with Starfield and a lot to analyse in how they might have fucked up badly by making the central gameplay loop harder to access than in their previous games, but I don't get why people who haven't enjoyed any Bethesda game since MW/Oblivion would even try to play one at this point. "Oh god, I bought a bag of Doritos and yet again it turns out there's Doritos inside!" Correct.

 

[Ben Zyklon]

This game is more fun than cuberpunk 2077 at launch.

Fake News, characters were way better in CP, the quests too, yeah the world was bland in terms of interactivity it wasn't GTA but the city was amazing and you could actually explore the world and find many things to do.

Starfield cities and places looks o damn boring and bland.

Just compare any of the beginning quests of SF with the quest in CP where you go to buy the robot, that shit was tense and there were many ways to resolve that quest.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Bethesda seems pretty unique in that people who don't enjoy their games will still keep playing every new release.

People used to play them back when there was a serious drought in RPGs. I picked up Skyrim for around $5 years later because what else was I going to play? Bloodlines for the 20th time? Arcanum for the 40th time?

But with more RPGs than ever, and HD video on Youtube, I have no need to even try Starfield to laugh at how bad it is. And I have no intention of buying it either, since it has tranny pronoun cancer in it.

 

[Ben Zyklon]

Bethesda seems pretty unique in that people who don't enjoy their games will still keep playing every new release. Imagine if like, Total War had a dedicated community of people who do not like Total War games at their very core but have still played every game since Medieval 2 just to complain that, yep, it's still Total War and they still don't like it. "I can't believe it! It's basic grand strategy with real-time battles again!" It sure is.

There's obviously much to criticise with Starfield and a lot to analyse in how they might have fucked up badly by making the central gameplay loop harder to access than in their previous games, but I don't get why people who haven't enjoyed any Bethesda game since MW/Oblivion would even try to play one at this point. "Oh god, I bought a bag of Doritos and yet again it turns out there's Doritos inside!" Correct.

Im going to talk about my experience with Bethesda games:

I have only finished three Bethesda games in my life:

1. Fallout 3
2. Fallout 4
3. Skyrim

Games that I played a lot but never finished:

1. Oblivion
2. Morrowind

Games that barely played:

1. Daggerfal Unity
2. Currently Starfield

I have analized why I haven't finished more Bethesda games and the answer was:

1. Combat sucks
2. Story, narrative and general writing is ass
3. Presentation of said bad writing is even WORSE

The three games I finished: FO3, FO4 and Skyrim I only liked the Fallout games, Skyrim just finished because I felt the obligation to do so but IMO it's the worst TES game ever created.

The Fallout games hooked me immediately because FO3 had this gritty sad world where you had to survive and felt like an actual survivor, I remember the quests were much better than Skyrim and the story too.

FO4 had great gameplay improvements and I enoyed the settlement mechanic (i wish they had been attacked more often and not spawning enemies in the middle of it) it felt more "happy" than FO3 and that is why I prefer FO3 because the atmosphere and feeling like an actual survivor. FO4 BTW did a ton to improve presentation and in Starfield they seem to gone back again.

The VATS mechanic immensely helped me to like the combat, I just love those cinematics this is why I just love FO3 and FO4, VATS really helps me to bypass the shitty Bethesda combat.

I was in love with Oblivion and I will go back to it at some point because I think its the better balanced TES that still has some Morrowind in it but the combat is a bit better than Morrowind.

I also was in love with Morrowind when it was launched in xbox, I couldn't play it myself because at the time I didn't own a pc or an xbox (was a ps2 owner) so I watched my cousin play it and I was so jealous of him for that game, played it like 2 years ago with my GF with a multiplayer mod and it felt super dated, the combat was just horrible but I did was amazed by the enchanting and the spell creation mechanics but the horrible combat just bored me.

I think Bethesda games DESPERATELY needed:

1. Better combat
2. Better writing
3. Better presentation

So far it seems only the combat is a bit of an improvement and not much, its as basic as any shooter but the other two parts are still bad specially the presentation, when are they going to stop putting static NPC's when talking, they barely move or express anything with their bodies, compare the dialogues with the ones in BG3 and they are night and day.

The strong aspect of Bethesda games has always been the exploration, even Skyrim still has a very strong exploration aspect and they fucking gutted their only strong point in starfield so what do you think is going to happen?

People will notice more the other 3 points I mentioned: bad combat, bad writing and bad presentation.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Bethesda seems pretty unique in that people who don't enjoy their games will still keep playing every new release. Imagine if like, Total War had a dedicated community of people who do not like Total War games at their very core but have still played every game since Medieval 2 just to complain that, yep, it's still Total War and they still don't like it. "I can't believe it! It's basic grand strategy with real-time battles again!" It sure is.

There's obviously much to criticise with Starfield and a lot to analyse in how they might have fucked up badly by making the central gameplay loop harder to access than in their previous games, but I don't get why people who haven't enjoyed any Bethesda game since MW/Oblivion would even try to play one at this point. "Oh god, I bought a bag of Doritos and yet again it turns out there's Doritos inside!" Correct.

Bethesda is that 6/10 you dated for way too long who was kinda chubby and a bad cook but always put out.

Although I've always thought the codex love for Morrowind is odd as I found that game pretty disappointing after Daggerfall, and Oblivion is ruined by horrible level scaling. But I actually quite like Skyrim as I found it the best realization of the heroic fantasy genre Bethesda was going for after DF. I just don't talk about it much here because I'm not stupid.

 

[Elthosian]

Frankly, I'm baffled this game doesn't have a backlash on the same magnitude than Cyberpunk.
Everything in it is outdated and is absolutely shameful in 2023.
The AI is at least 20 years old delayed, even worse since Fear's AI was certainly better in all areas.
The environments are incredibly dull, empty and could be rendered on a PS3.
The gameplay is certainly awful and worse than half-life 1 but when this is your principal focus on a game, it's should be a death sentence.
The story is shit and makes no sense from an human point of view, nobody would call a complete stranger to fetch an artefact and enroll into an important mission.
The looting is mediocre, only rewards you get are standart weapons +% modifiers, same goes for the skills.
The graphics, lightning, shadows, water physics are at the very LEAST 20 years old delayed.
When Ground Zeroes released on the PS3 outmatch it in these categories, you know there is a problem.
The space combat is inferior in every regards compared to Rogue Squadron 2, a game released on Gamecube with a tiny budget.

Their engine is a massive POS and should be thrown into a dustbin.
400M$, this scam, lmao.

They released a very decent Xbox version and at least half of the player base is playing that one. Add to that the 20% PC AMD share that got decent optimization and you get something playable that casual (aka: most) gamers can play without whining. The game has a 77% score on Steam right now and you can bet more than half of the bad reviews are about it performing like shit on NVIDIA GPUs with little commentary on the gameplay being shallow and the environments being dull.

CP2077 was outright unplayable on PS4 and Xbox One which at the time were the two platforms with the most players. Unsurprisingly, these voices were very loud and caused the rest of the game to fall under much harsher scrutiny.

 

[Lemming42]

Although I've always thought the codex love for Morrowind is odd as I found that game pretty disappointing after Daggerfall, and Oblivion is ruined by horrible level scaling. But I actually quite like Skyrim as I found it the best realization of the heroic fantasy genre Bethesda was going for after DF. I just don't talk about it much here because I'm not stupid.

For what it's worth, I agree. Come over to the "Morrowind was decline" thread if you want a good (bad) time.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Frankly, I'm baffled this game doesn't have a backlash on the same magnitude than Cyberpunk.
Everything in it is outdated and is absolutely shameful in 2023.
The AI is at least 20 years old delayed, even worse since Fear's AI was certainly better in all areas.
The environments are incredibly dull, empty and could be rendered on a PS3.
The gameplay is certainly awful and worse than half-life 1 but when this is your principal focus on a game, it's should be a death sentence.
The story is shit and makes no sense from an human point of view, nobody would call a complete stranger to fetch an artefact and enroll into an important mission.
The looting is mediocre, only rewards you get are standart weapons +% modifiers, same goes for the skills.
The graphics, lightning, shadows, water physics are at the very LEAST 20 years old delayed.
When Ground Zeroes released on the PS3 outmatch it in these categories, you know there is a problem.
The space combat is inferior in every regards compared to Rogue Squadron 2, a game released on Gamecube with a tiny budget.

Their engine is a massive POS and should be thrown into a dustbin.
400M$, this scam, lmao.

They released a very decent Xbox version and at least half of the player base is playing that one. Add to that the 20% PC AMD share that got decent optimization and you get something playable that casual (aka: most) gamers can play without whining. The game has a 77% score on Steam right now and you can bet more than half of the bad reviews are about it performing like shit on NVIDIA GPUs with little commentary on the gameplay being shallow and the environments being dull.

CP2077 was outright unplayable on PS4 and Xbox One which at the time were the two platforms with the most players. Unsurprisingly, these voices were very loud and caused the rest of the game to fall under much harsher scrutiny.

Normally they'd just upgrade their graphics card and be done with it, however the midrange card no longer exists. It's all gimped crap to make the retard high end more appealing.

 

[Ben Zyklon]

Frankly, I'm baffled this game doesn't have a backlash on the same magnitude than Cyberpunk.
Everything in it is outdated and is absolutely shameful in 2023.
The AI is at least 20 years old delayed, even worse since Fear's AI was certainly better in all areas.
The environments are incredibly dull, empty and could be rendered on a PS3.
The gameplay is certainly awful and worse than half-life 1 but when this is your principal focus on a game, it's should be a death sentence.
The story is shit and makes no sense from an human point of view, nobody would call a complete stranger to fetch an artefact and enroll into an important mission.
The looting is mediocre, only rewards you get are standart weapons +% modifiers, same goes for the skills.
The graphics, lightning, shadows, water physics are at the very LEAST 20 years old delayed.
When Ground Zeroes released on the PS3 outmatch it in these categories, you know there is a problem.
The space combat is inferior in every regards compared to Rogue Squadron 2, a game released on Gamecube with a tiny budget.

Their engine is a massive POS and should be thrown into a dustbin.
400M$, this scam, lmao.

They released a very decent Xbox version and at least half of the player base is playing that one. Add to that the 20% PC AMD share that got decent optimization and you get something playable that casual (aka: most) gamers can play without whining. The game has a 77% score on Steam right now and you can bet more than half of the bad reviews are about it performing like shit on NVIDIA GPUs with little commentary on the gameplay being shallow and the environments being dull.

CP2077 was outright unplayable on PS4 and Xbox One which at the time were the two platforms with the most players. Unsurprisingly, these voices were very loud and caused the rest of the game to fall under much harsher scrutiny.

One of the reviews I watched said they have the suspicion that releasing the game as an Xbox exclusive was what held down the development of the game and why it had to be a loading screen simulator, I want to agree with that because I know now they released it on Xbox series S...

There was no way CP was going to work on old hardware and CDProjekt Red went full greed trying to even make it possible to have more sales.

About Steam reviews: they are completely unreliable, many people refunded the game and weren't allowed to review the game, if those people were allowed to leave a review the game would be in mixed reviews which is basically what the Metacritic user score shows.

 

[HammyTheFat]

Just beat the main storyline today and I have to say it's an improvement over fallout 4s, skyrims, and especially fallout 3s.

Instead of all that chosen one bullshit at the end of the game you are just one of many immortal crackheads trying to get ahold of some addictive rocks.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Just beat the main storyline today and I have to say it's an improvement over fallout 4s, skyrims, and especially fallout 3s.

Instead of all that chosen one bullshit at the end of the game you are just one of many immortal crackheads trying to get ahold of some addictive rocks.

When you put it like that...

Spoiler

Highlander DLC when?

 

[Ben Zyklon]

Just beat the main storyline today and I have to say it's an improvement over fallout 4s, skyrims, and especially fallout 3s.

Instead of all that chosen one bullshit at the end of the game you are just one of many immortal crackheads trying to get ahold of some addictive rocks.

How is it an improvement over Skyrim when you are the dragonborn in space?

Are there any desicions or many paths?, different endings? because if no then its 100% inferior to FO3 & FO4

 

[HammyTheFat]

Just beat the main storyline today and I have to say it's an improvement over fallout 4s, skyrims, and especially fallout 3s.

Instead of all that chosen one bullshit at the end of the game you are just one of many immortal crackheads trying to get ahold of some addictive rocks.

How is it an improvement over Skyrim when you are the dragonborn in space?

Are there any desicions or many paths?, different endings? because if no then its 100% inferior to FO3 & FO4

There are decisions. But paths? Skyrim and FO4 didnt really have any with one exception for FO4 which was destroy the institute or dont.

 

[Forest Dweller]

So I downloaded a torrent to see if the game will even run on my Windows 7 PC. I installed the game, applied the crack, and got this:

So I guess not? Reading a little on it it seems like it might be related to Windows 7, but I'm not sure.

 

[ColaWerewolf]

It's perfectly reasonable to like F4/F3 more than Starfield, but I don't get how you can't find any enjoyment out of SF, even if to a lesser extent, if you liked F4/F3. The formula might be different and, in your opinion, worse, but it's still there. The setting is different, yeah. Exploration is still there, just spaced out more. People actually complained about that in Skyrim and the Fallouts, that everything was too close together like an amusement park. Now they complain it's too far apart.

I played Morrowind first then all the other TES games sans Battlespire, then the Fallout games sans F76. I absolutely liked some more than the others, but they're the fucking same type of game (with exception of Arena and DF maybe), just with sometimes writing being worse in one game than the other, or the quests, or the premise, or the characters, or the spells, or the gunplay, etc. But I can't say I played a game that, despite liking less than the others, gave me no enjoyment. Because it's just Morrowind but with robots. Or Skyrim but with guns. Or Oblivion but with spaceships.

It's like wanting a chimpanzee as a pet, but going in a triggered state of frantic butthurt whenever you see a bonobo and calling for their mass extermination. They share literally 99% the same DNA.

 

[Robotigan]

It's perfectly reasonable to like F4/F3 more than Starfield, but I don't get how you can't find any enjoyment out of SF, even if to a lesser extent, if you liked F4/F3. The formula might be different and, in your opinion, worse, but it's still there. The setting is different, yeah. Exploration is still there, just spaced out more. People actually complained about that in Skyrim and the Fallouts, that everything was too close together like an amusement park. Now they complain it's too far apart.

I played Morrowind first then all the other TES games sans Battlespire, then the Fallout games sans F76. I absolutely liked some more than the others, but they're the fucking same type of game (with exception of Arena and DF maybe), just with sometimes writing being worse in one game than the other, or the quests, or the premise, or the characters, or the spells, or the gunplay, etc. But I can't say I played a game that, despite liking less than the others, gave me no enjoyment. Because it's just Morrowind but with robots. Or Skyrim but with guns. Or Oblivion but with spaceships.

It's like wanting a chimpanzee as a pet, but going in a triggered state of frantic butthurt whenever you see a bonobo and calling for their mass extermination. They share literally 99% the same DNA.

In case you haven't noticed, RPG fans in particular are very attached to that last 1%.

 

[Vic]

So I downloaded a torrent to see if the game will even run on my Windows 7 PC. I installed the game, applied the crack, and got this:

So I guess not? Reading a little on it it seems like it might be related to Windows 7, but I'm not sure.

you need windows 10

note the SSD required

 

[Vic]

How do I get the minigun and the drum barrel grenade launcher? Are these weapons level locked?

I think they might be, I don’t remember finding cool weapons like the Magpulse on low level, but you can check Centurion Arsenal in the residential district in New Atlantis if they sell any cool weapons.

shops always sell level scaled items to your level

 

[Late Bloomer]

It's like wanting a chimpanzee as a pet, but going in a triggered state of frantic butthurt whenever you see a bonobo and calling for their mass extermination. They share literally 99% the same DNA.

It's not always about the bonobos, even though I find them disgusting and immersion breaking in most cases. Sometimes, you absolute wretch, it's about the people who put them in the game to begin with instead of putting in the chimpanzee's, they put in disgusting bonobos. Why would a bunch of people who always put chimpanzees pets in their game start to put nothing bug disgusting bonobos in their game? The fact that these people are worshiping and fetishising these bonobos is enough to make some people sick.

Even if Starfield was a good game, it isn't, even if it had the same gunplay as Fallout 4, it doesn't, even if the UI was functional, it isn't, even if you could fly from planet to planet, you can't, even if the dialogue was well written and interesting, it isn't, even if ship combat was engaging, it isn't, even if the procedural generated content was interesting and varied, it isn't, the game would be ruined because of those fucking bonobo's. I would rather not play than have to look and be talked down to by a bunch of filthy bonobos.

 

[AlwaysBrotoMen]

David Jaffe 10/10 End of debate

 

[darkpatriot]

MMA fighter, former UFC Middleweight Champion, and famous Australian person Robert "Bobby Knuckles" Whittaker provides his thoughts on Starfield.



He likes it a lot. He ignored the main quest as soon as he could and started building outposts on different planets.

He did have a criticism he brought up though. He likes playing melee and unarmed characters, but he felt that melee just wasn't that that viable at higher levels.