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[kris]

No, it doesn't really explain that does it? My mental status seemingly have very little to do with the release of a game.

Oh my. It's that spooky autistic literalness again. (Nervous beads of sweat on brow)

Well, it is easy to get spooked when living in a bunker.

 

[Jaime Lannister]

Cleve, can you join the #fallout IRC channel some time? It's been pretty dead whenever I've checked in and I think your presence could liven things up.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Cleve, can you join the #fallout IRC channel some time? It's been pretty dead whenever I've checked in and I think your presence could liven things up.

What do you guys get out of those channel chats? They're always so confused and dischordant it's like being at a loud party where nobody can hear anything anybody else is saying. Plus there's always a dozen people typing in really vulgar things which they believe are funny by hoping to shock. I get bored of it in about ten seconds. It's all like Exitium except on crack.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Because cooler periods suck for economies and warmer periods are good for economies!

... and this is what it is really all about.

The masses (who are always wrong by their very nature) know that something fishy is happening.

If it's a new Ice Age, it's really scary. As in scary meaning their paradigms for the world will undergo a real shift.

The great thing about the fake gay Apocalypse offered by Al Gore as a cheap substitute is that it is mainly business as usual. Taxes will be higher, but Gore assures us if we sort our paper and plastic and use more efficient bulbs, our lifestyle really will not be impacted to any large degree unless you count paying Al Gore huge sums of money to indulge us in further elaborate scenarios about the gay globowarmthink apocalypse. It's an Apocalypse that fits in on Oprah that we can sit around and discuss without having to think about much. It's the inclusionary Apocalypse where anybody can learn the basic precepts : Capitalism is evil, Al Gore and others running carbon trading Ponzi schemes are good, anybody who disputes is a heretic. It's so simple even an Oprah watcher can grok it.

On the other hand, a new Ice Age, well ... you're talking really scary stuff there. The sheeple do not like to think about the real world this much. Too scary.

Al Gore is paid to comfort the sheeple with eco-minstrel songs of hope as they are marched up the slaughterhouse ramp into the Vault-Co Apocalyptiverse, which is real and itz coming. You betcha. They will pay good money for narcolepsis as entertainment.

Not intended as an insult, rather as an aside, all average people are cowardly and delusional at the same time, all the time. It's just the human condition. Strapping red blooded lantern jawed ripped shirt science fiction he-man heroic types like myself who singlehandedly build their own Black Mesas underground are in short supply. The average human being would rather be comforted than informed. As long as there is nice easy listening muzac playing in the background, people don't want to be told the end of the rollercoaster has collapsed three stories above the ground. They just want to enjoy themselves on their way.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Cleve, can you join the #fallout IRC channel some time? It's been pretty dead whenever I've checked in and I think your presence could liven things up.

What do you guys get out of those channel chats? They're always so confused and dischordant it's like being at a loud party where nobody can hear anything anybody else is saying. Plus there's always a dozen people typing in really vulgar things which they believe are funny by hoping to shock. I get bored of it in about ten seconds. It's all like Exitium except on crack.

Although i've never attended #fallout or any other Codex related chans (i sit in some local room for some years, without bothering to check any else), your general decription of IRC comunication principals seem exactly what you are needing.
Now, just realise.This and some other ''rised from dead'' threads (courtesy of Rex) will soon be over. How could you continue to live meaningfull life, when there's no means to supremely communicate with your pals from Codex, without making a thread yourself, thus addmiting, you love us.
It would be to humbling for sutch a unique and great human being as yourself. No way in hell, right?
But joining some IRC room isn't that demanding to one's ego. You could even mask your identity for a while and still keep enlightening on behalf of Clevland Cleve's. Or just pretend you stumbled on this room while seeking for #no-uubarmenschen-alowed.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

This and some other ''rised from dead'' threads (courtesy of Rex) will soon be over.

If only.

I can't understand how you guys are not bored with this dickhead yet. 26 pages. :shock:

 

[Keldorn]

It's the inclusionary Apocalypse where anybody can learn the basic precepts : Capitalism is evil, Al Gore and others running carbon trading Ponzi schemes are good, anybody who disputes is a heretic.

And what does YOUR dogma espouse ?


-If only we had more Capitalism (and subsequently resulting corporatism), the world would be a MUCH better place !

-Warren Buffet's income is taxed WAYYYYYYY too high at 15%, if only he could acquire house #5, car #20 and yacht #9, we'd all be liberated !!! He is a VICTIM.

-There is WAY too much gov't sponsored aid for the poor under Bush. Just look at the million RICH homeless folks with their shiny shopping carts. Look at all the Katrina handouts !!!

-There should be NO minimum wage. If I, the omnipotent and morally flawless businessman wants to pay a worker 5 cents / hr., then NO one has the right to stop me !!!

-If I, the almighty and morally perfect bloated megacorp wants to destroy all the fish and forests for PROFIT, then you must bow to my greed is God mantra. Men are not OF the earth, we are ABOVE the earth !

-If I want to spew the thickest black diesel cloud out of my band of company trucks into your kid's lungs, any objection means you're a COMMIE. Since I am in pursuit of the dollar sign, you have NO right to impede my path !

-We need to worship profits more in our society. There is not NEARLY enough selfishness, materialism, consumerism and resource hoarding.

-More private police / mercenaries. Let the rich have protection ! The poor ? They forfeit their right because they are poor !

-MORE power to BiowEAre and Bethesda ! They are struggling so mightily under this anti-capitalist system !

-More multi-million dollar CEO bonus checks needed !

-Banish all the unions ! Workers deserve peanuts and pennies if I deem them to be worth only that !

-Since the profit motive is PERFECT, the water supply should be entirely privatized and owned by big greedy companies. If the market dictates that you are to pay $20 for a 1 litre bottle of water, then you must faithfully cough up the cash to the righteous and unquestionable, untouchable profiteers !



And no Cleve, the solution isn't a Communist model (scarecrow) either. The solution is a balanced mixture, yes, a GREY fusion of capitalism and socialism as found in Norway, Finland and Denmark. The empirical evidence shows that they have attained the highest standard of living / quality of life, by following a scientific centristic model (as opposed to your frothing, rabid extreme ideological dogma).

 

[dagorkan]

Keldorn, the last of the Democratic Centralists..

 

[Calis]

I'm pretty sure it's refraction that happens, such as the way the sky is blue, as opposed to a perfect reflection. Gases refract light, not reflect them. Hell, even greenhouses refract light to work now that I think about it. I'm pretty sure the higher the index of refraction, the better that gas is to be a greenhouse gas.

That model would only work if the greenhouse effect were based on total internal reflection inside a high-index medium. Analogously to light propagation inside a planar waveguide (or an optical fiber), the higher your refractive index, the wider range of angles that is totally reflected at the boundary between the high-index medium (atmosphere) and the low-index one (Space... space... space... space...). I don't think that's the predominant effect involved though, as at atmospheric pressures, the refractive index of the atmosphere is still pretty close to 1 for a huge part of the spectral range.

Bear in mind that while I know plenty about optics, I know next to zilch about the greenhouse effect, but a little googling suggests that the greenhouse effect models are basically based on the absorptive properties of atmospheric gases. (Predominantly) visible light comes in, while the earth's temperature sends out (predominantly) MIR. A greenhouse gas molecule's vibrational mode gets excited by outgoing IR radiation. It'll release this energy again at some point in various ways, but here's the kicker - some of that release will go right back to earth, sending some of those nice 'n warm IR rays back to earth rather than space.

Same thing goes for your "blue sky" statement, that's scattering due to the absorptive and emissive properties of the atmospheric gases, rather than the dispersion of the bulk of the atmosphere ("refraction").

 

[Keldorn]

Gore, the democrats, and the environmentalist mainstream has hyped CO2 emissions to an extreme. Almost or equally as important are toxic particulate matter (manifested in large cities), carbon monoxide and sulphur dioxide, not to mention all of the other poisons and toxins seeping into the soil, water and air. When the noxious fumes, heavy metals and poisonous substances enter and accumulate in ones body, it becomes a matter of the right not to be poisoned for profit.


They put all of their environmentally conscious eggs into the CO2 basket, and if their alarmist CO2 theory has any holes in it, their entire environmental platform is predominantly invalidated.

 

[kris]

Gore, the democrats, and the environmentalist mainstream has hyped CO2 emissions to an extreme.

Be glad you don't live in Sweden, here it is a very one sided "debate". It is like under the Nazi party, every day about how the earth will burn and the ice melt and that we must pay more taxes to save mankind.

 

[DefJam101]

Not intended as an insult, rather as an aside, all average people are cowardly and delusional at the same time, all the time. It's just the human condition. Strapping red blooded lantern jawed ripped shirt science fiction he-man heroic types like myself who singlehandedly build their own Black Mesas underground are in short supply. The average human being would rather be comforted than informed. As long as there is nice easy listening muzac playing in the background, people don't want to be told the end of the rollercoaster has collapsed three stories above the ground. They just want to enjoy themselves on their way.

What millenium are you living in? Every intelligent person knows this as a basic rule. That the common man is dumb, and the intelligent man is rare. You're hardly a revolutionary thinker. Funny thing is that you're *doing it wrong* and actually jumping on the anti-bandwagon bandwagon, it's hysterical and beautifully ironic. You're a "book-smart" program developer (and a damn fine one, at that) who wants to be a renaissance man.

Don't quit your day job (literally), I'd much rather see you finish this game than post on forums and talk in IRC channels.

 

[Keldorn]

Gore, the democrats, and the environmentalist mainstream has hyped CO2 emissions to an extreme.

Be glad you don't live in Sweden, here it is a very one sided "debate". It is like under the Nazi party, every day about how the earth will burn and the ice melt and that we must pay more taxes to save mankind.

I like libertarian social democracy. But you Swedes have had to endure authoritarian social democracy. The sentences being dished out to Swedish cannabis users/producers are often even more extreme than what has occured in the USA under their War On Drugs (a hypocritical & puritanical war on all drugs except for the most lethal & addictive establishment ones - Alcohol, Tobacco and Pharmaceuticals).

And the unilateral theme focusing exclusively on CO2 emissions as the sole environmental issue is an excercise in hyper-simplistic alarmism.

 

[Keldorn]

Funny thing is that you're *doing it wrong* and actually jumping on the anti-bandwagon bandwagon, it's hysterical and beautifully ironic.

Perfect !

Imagine an ideological coin. Heads = rabid, frothing, dogmatic mainstreamism. Tails = rabid, flailing, reciprocal anti-mainstreamism.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Everybody in the room who has been predicting a worldwide cooling trend over the coming century for at least ten years and can prove it with documentation, raise your hand.

If your hand isn't in the air, you don't even know what you don't know you don't know. Those of you who think you know at least that much are wrong, you don't even know that.

 

[DefJam101]

Everybody in the room who has been predicting a worldwide cooling trend over the coming century for at least ten years and can prove it with documentation, raise your hand.

If your hand isn't in the air, you don't even know what you don't know you don't know. Those of you who think you know at least that much are wrong, you don't even know that.

I see that damage control is rushing onto the scene.

 

[Araanor]

Needless to say, the reason I believe in decline cycles is that I have never heard a better theory that explains what we see in history. If I ever did I'd contemplate it because it might be time to abandon decline theory as an explanatory idea if it does not fit the facts as well as the new theory. I've got Asperger's, I do that all the time.

I don't see why this decline theory would be valid in the context of modern day civilization. Civilization, technology and society has gone a long way since the fall of the roman empire.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Needless to say, the reason I believe in decline cycles is that I have never heard a better theory that explains what we see in history. If I ever did I'd contemplate it because it might be time to abandon decline theory as an explanatory idea if it does not fit the facts as well as the new theory. I've got Asperger's, I do that all the time.

I don't see why this decline theory would be valid in the context of modern day civilization. Civilization, technology and society has gone a long way since the fall of the roman empire.

You don't understand decline theory. You are faking it.

What is the constant? What hasn't changed? What makes you think this or that technology makes a whit of difference other than assuring a bigger climax when the Ragnarok of a civilization arrives? The mark of a declining society is they fail to make use of new technology.

Rome had watermills which could have easily replaced slave labor, but the Roman people had lost the ability to innovate and implement new ideas. In fact, the last part of the decline phase is often a time of great discovery and development for individuals but the critical key is for the entire society to make use of this new technology. The latter Romans produced a series of highly inventive people who built steam engines, electric batteries and analog clocks. Nobody made use of these new ideas and they languished in libraries like the one at Alexandria until cults broke in and burned everything.

This is another reason to suspect this cycle is very, very close to finishing. There is no end of new discoveries by individuals. The greater civilization doesn't seem to be able make use of any of them and they are never incorporated into their lives as genuine improvements. But it's worse. A declining society doesn't just lose it's ability to solve problems with new ideas. They lose the ability to even correctly identify what those problems were. The latter Romans blamed their failing crop yields on the smoke from temple fires. Wrong answer. Time to die, Toga Boy.

A good example would be computers. There is a popular claim they increase productivity. My experience is that they have been steadily decreasing the productivity of the West for thirty years. I believe in fact, that when averaged out, the productivity of the West is but a mere fraction of what it was in 1955 with punchcards and nixie tubes.

 

[luckyb0y]

I don't see why this decline theory would be valid in the context of modern day civilization. Civilization, technology and society has gone a long way since the fall of the roman empire.

You obviously don't have Asperger's on steroids like our dear resident precog, Cleve.

 

[aron searle]

A good example would be computers. There is a popular claim they increase productivity.

I dont think so, they do however increase buisness potential, the term increase productivity is rather vauge in what it can apply to. I'd like a more relevent example of unused tech, and i aint talking about this weeks perpetual motion engine.

My experience is that they have been steadily decreasing the productivity of the West for thirty years. I believe in fact, that when averaged out, the productivity of the West is but a mere fraction of what it was in 1955 with punchcards and nixie tubes.

Got any evidence or is it all anecedotal?

p.s you've never kissed an attractive girl and sleep with you're mom.

 

[luckyb0y]

What is the constant? What hasn't changed? What makes you think this or that technology makes a whit of difference other than assuring a bigger climax when the Ragnarok of a civilization arrives? The mark of a declining society is they fail to make use of new technology.

Right, because only advancements that we've made are in the WMD department. How does the last sentence apply to our society?

A good example would be computers. There is a popular claim they increase productivity. My experience is that they have been steadily decreasing the productivity of the West for thirty years. I believe in fact, that when averaged out, the productivity of the West is but a mere fraction of what it was in 1955 with punchcards and nixie tubes.

Yes brilliant example. Because what's to like about the machines that allow you to access any information you need at the touch of the button, calculate complex equations and do a bunch of other useful things. Just because you're browsing porn at work doesn't mean everyone does it. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true as much as you'd like it did. Truth is after you are finished with your self-important rants you can't make a coherent argument anymore. Being articulate doesn't change shit about that.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I'd like a more relevent example of unused tech, and i aint talking about this weeks perpetual motion engine.

My new shelter power source? If I didn't know somebody who could obtain me a prototype, I would have not been able to purchase it commercially. It's Jetsons stuff but nobody can buy it. I predict it will not be available widely for ten years, but the principle and production is no more complicated than making Rubik Cubes.

The West has been blathering about how dangerous nuclear energy is for fifty years. In the meanwhile, the Chinese invented the pebble bed reactor and now enjoys safe, clean, efficient nuclear energy for pennies what we pay for it.

The West whines and complains about the toll taken by cancer, yet has refused to explore the blatantly obvious connection between opportunist microbial infections, sleep and insulin function. I doubt if there is anyone smart enough to figure it out anyway.

All the cool things are happening in China. The West is just full of doddering confused feebleminded halfwits puttering around while their civilization implodes around their ears. When a new problem appears (and they appear exponentially) modern people solve it by having a special TV report debunk it as nonexistent. NA-NA-NA times are better than ever and whatnot.

Sure they are.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

What is the constant? What hasn't changed? What makes you think this or that technology makes a whit of difference other than assuring a bigger climax when the Ragnarok of a civilization arrives? The mark of a declining society is they fail to make use of new technology.

Right, because only advancements that we've made are in the WMD department. How does the last sentence apply to our society?

A good example would be computers. There is a popular claim they increase productivity. My experience is that they have been steadily decreasing the productivity of the West for thirty years. I believe in fact, that when averaged out, the productivity of the West is but a mere fraction of what it was in 1955 with punchcards and nixie tubes.

Yes brilliant example. Because what's to like about the machines that allow you to access any information you need at the touch of the button, calculate complex equations and do a bunch of other useful things. Just because you're browsing porn at work doesn't mean everyone does it. Just because you say something, doesn't make it true as much as you'd like it did. Truth is after you are finished with your self-important rants you can't make a coherent argument anymore. Being articulate doesn't change shit about that.

Yo sho do sound edjumifacated and whatnot! We all needs mo edjumification! We be gittin' ourselfs a edjumification, yassum!

Being inarticulate is better?

 

[luckyb0y]

My new shelter power source? If I didn't know somebody who could obtain me a prototype, I would have not been able to purchase it commercially. It's Jetsons stuff but nobody can buy it. I predict it will not be available widely for ten years, but the principle and production is no more complicated than making Rubik Cubes.

Making unsupported claims on the internet sure is easy. I have a fusion reactor right in my basement I set up the other day. All built from the stuff you can buy at your local DIY store. I am awesome.

The West whines and complains about the toll taken by cancer, yet has refused to explore the blatantly obvious connection between opportunist microbial infections, sleep and insulin function. I doubt if there is anyone smart enough to figure it out anyway.

Yes because thosands of scientists working on it for decades didn't figure out something so blatantly obvious you casually seen through while taking a crap. So what is that connection? I know lots of people that would really like to hear it. Why don't you write a paper and send it to Nature or Science. I'm sure it will get front page. We all know you won't even answer that one, cause you'll be ripped to shreds.

 

[luckyb0y]

Yo sho do sound edjumifacated and whatnot! We all needs mo edjumification! We be gittin' ourselfs a edjumification, yassum!
Being inarticulate is better?

Well at least it gets across the point that you have nothing to offer except empty claims and condescending attitude in so much fewer words. I waste less time that way. Cheers a bunch