Tempest Rising - totally not Command & Conquer clone from 3D Realms - coming April 24th

[Infinitron]

Enough with shit soundtracks and images, I want to see more gameplay already.

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[ArchAngel]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Graphics looks great. But making rts game in 2023 with only 1 resource should be punishable by law.

I take it you never played Command and Conquer, which is what Tempest Rising explicitly set out to mimic.

Although, they don't seem to do a good job of it? It looks more like Starcraft 2 than CnC.
I don't see the tanks dealing reduced damage to infantry, which was a core part of the CnC's mechanics. In fact damage output seems rather low for a CnC game.
It seems you can run over infantry though, which is good. I just managed to catch that.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I played red alert 1-3, and most of c&c series. I aways considered 1 resource as major flaw in those series.

Fair enough, but it is still a gameplay mechanic. A so-called CnC inspired game is going to ape it.

 

[ArchAngel]

I played red alert 1-3, and most of c&c series. I aways considered 1 resource as major flaw in those series.

Technically power is also a resource but it works as a binary value.

 

[ArchAngel]

Graphics looks great. But making rts game in 2023 with only 1 resource should be punishable by law.

I take it you never played Command and Conquer, which is what Tempest Rising explicitly set out to mimic.

Although, they don't seem to do a good job of it? It looks more like Starcraft 2 than CnC.
I don't see the tanks dealing reduced damage to infantry, which was a core part of the CnC's mechanics. In fact damage output seems rather low for a CnC game.
It seems you can run over infantry though, which is good. I just managed to catch that.

It looks and plays nothing like SC2. This is even slower than any CnC game I ever played.

 

[Trithne]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

It's 3d realms, so yes.

 

[jebsmoker]

I played red alert 1-3, and most of c&c series. I aways considered 1 resource as major flaw in those series.

tiberium is as valuable as salt was thousands of years ago - it is more valuable than *gold* in the tiberium universe. it makes sense for it to be used as a transaction medium in order to buy things - you can just give defense contractors a whole lot of processed tiberum and they'll just give you whatever you desire

 

[Alienman]

Speed seems fine for me, but then I'm

I have to say, something just looks and feels off. though. It seems the tanks have the same exact movement pattern as the inf, turning on a dime for example. The 3D environment looks a bit flat too. The whole thing feels a bit cheap, and not in the budget sense.

Edit:
The unit scale also seems funky. The fighting does not look very spectacular. The sprites from older C&C seem better, it has no dramatic effect to it.. Also, the later stages so far seem to be all about tank spam.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Speed seems fine for me, but then I'm

I have to say, something just looks and feels off. though. It seems the tanks have the same exact movement pattern as the inf, turning on a dime for example. The 3D environment looks a bit flat too. The whole thing feels a bit cheap, and not in the budget sense.

Edit:
The unit scale also seems funky. The fighting does not look very spectacular. The sprites from older C&C seem better, it has no dramatic effect to it.. Also, the later stages so far seem to be all about tank spam.

To be fair, tank spam was also what RA2 boiled down to.
But yeah, there's something off with the models. They aren't as bad as RA3, but it's close.

 

[Alienman]

Speed seems fine for me, but then I'm

I have to say, something just looks and feels off. though. It seems the tanks have the same exact movement pattern as the inf, turning on a dime for example. The 3D environment looks a bit flat too. The whole thing feels a bit cheap, and not in the budget sense.

Edit:
The unit scale also seems funky. The fighting does not look very spectacular. The sprites from older C&C seem better, it has no dramatic effect to it.. Also, the later stages so far seem to be all about tank spam.

To be fair, tank spam was also what RA2 boiled down to.
But yeah, there's something off with the models. They aren't as bad as RA3, but it's close.

True. The match lasted 90 minutes, so maybe there were some inf skirmishes in between we didn't get to see.

 

[Trithne]

It feels like the specific C&C game "feel" they're aiming for here is Tiberian Sun, which was easily the slowest paced of the franchise.

It just looks honestly annoying. They were also playing it like 50 year old men, fully mouse driven, etc., but nothing I saw looked in any way interesting, just more "drive tank around, press button to deploy tank into gun platform".

Also their "Tempest Ecology" is just a really flowery way of explaining exactly how Tiberium always worked, except with more graphical flair. Do the vines even serve as a terrain hazard like Tiberium does?

 

[Suicidal]

I like what I'm seeing but some things seem off, like how vehicles clip through each other when moving or how some shots don't seem to have any visual impact (the laser tank's beam just goes collides with its target and there's no sparks flying at the impact point or anything, it just disappears). Have they given a release date for this game yet? Hopefully stuff like this can be ironed out by then.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

I sure hope so!

 

[Darth Roxor]

There are a few things I liked in that vid, primarily the spotting mechanics when going uphill. Vehicles being able to roll through trees is another, and also unit models changing based on damage taken.

Looks pretty "vanilla" but after all the retardo "innovative" RTSes we got in recent time, I'll take any vanilla with open arms, as long as it's not as dreadfully boring as Grey Goo. It might just be decent.

 

[thesheeep]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

One would hope so.
I suck at these games, so it being slow is a big boon for me

 

[Harthwain]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

One would hope so.
I suck at these games, so it being slow is a big boon for me

Yeah, you don't have to be old to appreciate a more deliberate gameplay.

 

[Trithne]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

One would hope so.
I suck at these games, so it being slow is a big boon for me

Yeah, you don't have to be old to appreciate a more deliberate gameplay.

I don't think they're necessarily aiming for that though, more that the game in the video is being played more for demonstration purposes and at "normal" speed. Go play Red Alert with the speed on Normal and not Faster/Fastest, it's about as slow.

A more deliberately measured "slow" RTS is something like Spice Wars, although that can be played at faster speeds too, but the game is designed to be less APM crunchy click hell, whereas this will probably turn into that in big fights at higher speeds due to the presence of activated unit abilities.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

True, most people actually play Command and Conquer on Fast, which would give the impression that it's fast gameplay.
Yeah, I do hope that the game doesn't end up like Grey Goo.
I wanted to like it, but it was so boring. Petroglyph made better.
Bring back Universe at War already.

 

[thesheeep]

I wanted to like it, but it was so boring. Petroglyph made better.
Bring back Universe at War already.

They had some really interesting ideas with Universe At War.
How the races were almost entirely different to play was truly remarkable.
I don't know if any other RTS ever had something as distinct as the Goo race, for example.

But one issue was - and that happens often in Sci-Fi titles especially - that you couldn't tell at a glance which unit is what. Units all kind of blended together into an indistinc mass you'd sling at the opponent.
Especially for the Goo faction, all units just looked pretty much the same - not very clever unit design there.
Another that they clearly wanted to offer a great campaign, but just totally failed at it. Good idea, terrible storytelling and pacing.

And then they of course tried to focus on the online crowd, but the game released not ready for that at all. Could've easily needed half a year more of thorough testing, balancing (especially with such asymmetric factions) and optimization for that. And of course it was really buggy...
While they simultaneously let down the single player people by not offering anything of replay value.

 

[Trithne]

I wanted to like it, but it was so boring. Petroglyph made better.
Bring back Universe at War already.

They had some really interesting ideas with Universe At War.
How the races were almost entirely different to play was truly remarkable, for example.

But one issue was - and that happens often in Sci-Fi titles especially - that you couldn't tell at a glance which unit is what. Units all kind of blended together into an indistinc mass you'd sling at the opponent.
Another that they clearly wanted to offer a great campaign, but just totally failed at it. Good idea, terrible storytelling.

And then they of course tried to focus on the online crowd, but the game released not ready for that at all. Could've easily needed half a year more of thorough testing, balancing (especially with such asymmetric factions) and optimization for that. And of course it was really buggy...
While they simultaneously let down the single player people by not offering anything of replay value.

The Masari also weren't meant to be there initially - SEGA requested they add another faction as they felt an RTS with 2 factions would not sell (They may well be right, tbh). Really did like the ways that the 2 intended factions (Hierarchy and Novus) both had a lot of really well streamlined ways to get around the map quickly, but the Masari felt pretty undercooked in comparison.

I also think not having a human faction may have been a mistake, although I liked it.

 

[ArchAngel]

combat and game is way too slow. Are they making this for 50 year olds?

One would hope so.
I suck at these games, so it being slow is a big boon for me

Yeah, you don't have to be old to appreciate a more deliberate gameplay.

Both of you go play Beyond All Reason if you want that, it is even a free new game. CnC was never a game for old people.

 

[Harthwain]

Both of you go play Beyond All Reason if you want that, it is even a free new game. CnC was never a game for old people.

First of all - define "old" and place yourself on the scale. Then we can talk about who's old here.

Secondly:

I don't think they're necessarily aiming for that though, more that the game in the video is being played more for demonstration purposes and at "normal" speed. Go play Red Alert with the speed on Normal and not Faster/Fastest, it's about as slow.

 

[Jaedar]

They had some really interesting ideas with Universe At War.

I remember highly enjoying the first two thirds of the sp campaign, but the third part (with the light/dark side units) really stalled out with the generic missions. No idea if it was any good in mp, I can only assume the balance was pretty poor.

As for grey goo, all the units in that felt really generic to me. The goo not really having a base was a neat idea though.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah, I remember the Masari campaign being quite a slog. I liked the Dark Crusade esque map, but the missions themselves were pretty repetitive and it was easy to get into a stalemate. I also thought the Masari themselves weren't as interesting as the Novus or the Hierarchy (which were my favorite).