Decline The era of PC gaming is OVER! (weird role-reversal)

[Skinwalker]

And yet somehow [butthurt wall of text no one is going to read]

Sunk cost fallacy. ^

 

[Crispy]

But it was your premise that the PC gaming industry is over. I provide proof that it's nowhere near over.

Sunk cost? Or maybe your entire thought process is flawed.

 

[Skinwalker]

But it was your premise that the PC gaming industry is over. I provide proof that it's nowhere near over.

My premise is that it's over for a discerning customer.

 

[JarlFrank]

I bought a high end gaming PC last year because my old PC was failing, and at this point I finally had to get a new one. It was probably the GPU that was having issues, which wasn't that old (bought in 2019) but the mainboard and CPU were from 2011 and were really showing their age. So if I had to get a new PC anyway, why not make it as high end as I possibly can?

Still kept my old screen from 2009, because it still works and I don't feel the need for any higher resolution than 1920x1080, so now I can run everything on hyper maximum settings without my GPU even getting warm because it can run modern games on max settings at 4k and 120 FPS, while I'm just sitting here with a 1080p monitor with a 60hz refresh rate. Which is great because it means my hardware won't be overly taxed and it's gonna have a long life - hopefully this PC will last me 11 years or more, too, and I won't have to replace too many parts along the way!

There's some stuff that benefits from a good gaming PC. Physics playgrounds like Teardown, which manages to make even my Ryzen 9 stutter if I use some of the more extreme mods like artillery barrages on huge maps. Or big strategy games, like the Total Wars, particularly with mods. Anything with lots of entities and chaos going on benefits from a good CPU. And loading times being quick, especially on older games, is lovely too. I'm really noticing the upgrade, even when playing stuff like Morrowind on the OpenMW engine. Loading times are pretty much non-existent now.

And I can also use that PC for work. Anything where I have to work in a game engine or with a graphic editor like Photoshop benefits immensely from the high end hardware, making the programs work a lot more smoothly.

You can't do work on a console. You can't play modded games on a console, either. And usually you can't play old games on a console. On PC you can even get the least compatible games to work by either emulation or patches or tools. Regardless of what games are being released, PC still is, and always will be, the best platform. Just as it always has been.

 

[Skinwalker]

And I can also use that PC for work. You can't do work on a console.

This may come as a surprise to a europeon, but here in the US we are usually provided with all the necessary hardware to do work by our employers, free of charge obv. I have a powerful PC for work - given to me by my work. Place. Workplace.

 

[JarlFrank]

Cool, I work from home as a freelancer.

 

[Skinwalker]

Cool, I work from home as a freelancer.

That's just yet another item in a series of reasons why you make substantially less money than me.

 

[JarlFrank]

Cool, I have more free time than you

 

[Skinwalker]

Cool, I have more free time than you

SDG has more free time than both of us combined.

 

[JarlFrank]

SDG doesn't remember what he does during that time, I don't think he counts.

 

[Skinwalker]

4. "But what about my dreary greyscale colorblindness autism simulators like ATOM or Undertrail or whatever?!" you might ask. Fair point, but you don't need even a medium-end, let along high-end PC for your indie nostalgia crap. Those can run on my grandma's toaster.

I know you did this, Crispy . Your mod abuse and gaslighting days will soon come to a bitter end.

 

[Iucounu]

And yet somehow the PC gaming industry just keeps on growing and growing.

That source(?) you posted is just a forecast for 2025-2037, it has not happened yet. It predicts that the PC market will more than quadruple during that time, which seems a bit optimistic to me. The growth drivers mentioned are:

- Radical increase in the number of gamers globally: I might agree about developed countries, since new generations of gamers will be added to the existing ones until the oldest generations of gamers start dying off. But I don't think today's older non-gamers will start playing PC games, and people in poor countries can't afford the high-end PCs discussed in the thread start.

- Faster internet connections: I don't think that matters, except for multiplayer.

- More female PC gamers: even if their numbers increase, how many of them will spend money on high-end PCs? How many of them live in developed countries and can even afford such PCs?

 

[Crispy]

I know you did this, @Crispy . Your mod abuse and gaslighting days will soon come to a bitter end.

Not only is this pathetic thread of yours falling apart, but so are your bizarro paranoid theories of how I'm somehow gaslighting you.

Seek therapy, Liberal.

 

[Crispy]

source(?)

https://www.researchnester.com/repo...arket size was,estimated at USD 67.02 billion.

 

[Kev Inkline]

The worst part about a console is that you can't build it yourself. Building PCs is more fun than actual gaming, ofc.

 

[Skinwalker]

Not only is this pathetic thread of yours falling apart, but so are your bizarro paranoid theories of how I'm somehow gaslighting you.

Uhuh, I'm sure your screenshots are 100% legit and not edited at all. Oh look!

Can you believe he just admitted all of it? I have a screenshot, it is definitive proof!

 

[jebsmoker]

GPUs have stagnated greatly in terms of what they offer to the average consumer. they have plateaued enough to the point in which even the most modest one will run newer games just fine, making 500 dollar ones feel like an expensive gimmick

i remember when Nvidia's 8800 GTX was the final word in the world of video cards and was a massive leap forward for consumer GPUs. i haven't seen anything similar in terms of what it offers to the 8800 GTX in years because computer games have largely stagnated in terms of graphics and technology as well

 

[Ash]

The single most based gamer is probably the lower end PC gamer. This means they can ONLY play old games and indies, old games modded, emulated old console games, and so forth. There is as a result a high probability they're forced down a path of incline...providing they're not playing utter shit somehow oblivious to real classics, as there is always shit to dodge even in the golden years.

Over the past decade, after mostly abandoning modern AAA gaming, I would use friends and family's modern consoles to give chance to the worthless AAA stuff that might maybe somehow be good, then proudly go back to my budget rig knowing I was making the right choice. I can't even imagine paying top dollar for a monster rig to play modern braindead woke-washing AAA garbage. What a sad fate as a gamer.

 

[Iucounu]

When PCs became popular they gave rise to a generation that liked tinkering with computer components, overclock CPUs and similar. But nowadays all PCs are good enough for daily use, and even for gamers there's less to gain from tinkering (just buy a new video card). I predict PC enthusiasts are a dying breed, just like the radio amateur guys that used to build their own equipment with a soldering iron back in the day, or those that rebuilt their own cars.

Video games gave rise to a generation of lifestyle gamers. But improvements in graphics quality have slowed down considerably the last decade, and children that grow up today will feel jaded by new video games that not as revolutionary as they used to be. Add to this the possible decline in creativity among game devs.

As a result, I think video gaming is now at the end of its honeymoon. Even if more people will play in the future, they may not spend as much money on average; maybe not even as much time, compared with the honeymoon generation of hardcore gamers.

For any of this to change I think new revolutions are required, such as brain implant hardware or new games that become social phenomena.

 

[Iucounu]

The single most based gamer is probably the lower end PC gamer. This means they can ONLY play old games, old games modded, emulated old console games, and so forth. There is as a result a high probability they're forced down a path of incline. Providing they're not playing utter shit somehow oblivious to real classics, as there is always shit to dodge even in the golden years.

Over the past decade, after mostly abandoning modern AAA gaming, I would use friends and family's modern consoles to give chance to the worthless AAA stuff that might maybe somehow be good, then proudly go back to my budget rig knowing I was making the right choice. I can't even imagine paying top dollar for a monster rig to play modern braindead woke-washing AAA garbage. What a sad fate as a gamer.

Some of those older PCs or consoles are making their way to poor countries, where children today are experiencing the older classic games for the first time. Wonder what will happen once today's AAA-games of Decline start showing up even there? Or maybe they won't, since newer games need an expensive online license.

 

[Just Locus]

Soul Calibur IV (2008, Namco) is a good fighting game only available on console

This is a tangent but how could Namco release such fantastic fighting games like Tekken 5, 4 years prior, Tekken 6, and Soul Calibur IV in the same year, and then shit out Soul Calibur V that was so dogshit they had to reboot the entire fucking timeline in SCVI?

 

[Poseidon00]

The decline in mainstream gaming has led to an interesting phenomenon: there is no longer any real reason to spend thousands of dollars on a high-end (or even medium-end) gaming PC, unless you're a brainless coomer for Nvidia (does AMD still exist?) and Intel. And Microshit.

This is true.

The only compelling reason to get a good gaming PC is if you are in the VR market. There are some titles that are only playable by connecting your headset to your gaming PC, whether wirelessly or no.

And even then, the VR market has not grown and there are such a small number of good titles for it that you should ask yourself if spending 1000$+ on a unique, but niche, gaming experience is worth it for you.

For me, it was, because i'm a sucker for the interactivity and levels of graphical immersion that aren't normally possible. But it's a steep price for that upgrade. Nowadays you can skip the PC, save yourself a lot of money, and not miss out on much.

 

[Kev Inkline]

The single most based gamer is probably the lower end PC gamer. This means they can ONLY play old games, old games modded, emulated old console games, and so forth. There is as a result a high probability they're forced down a path of incline. Providing they're not playing utter shit somehow oblivious to real classics, as there is always shit to dodge even in the golden years.

I appreciate quite a bit more gamers that play almost exclusively 20+ year old games on state of the art systems. Then the choice is of their own volition.

 

[Machocruz]

Can attest. Bought a fairly high-end PC not too long ago as an upgrade for a laptop with a 950m. Now I'm feeling some buyer's remorse. I could have spent a few hundred dollars less and still be able to run the games that are actually worth my time. I used to do digital art, but it's lame and also not worth a high-end PC, to me. I'd rather play Battle Brothers or old arcade ROMs than anything AAA are squeezing out of their butt cheeks.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

You can just play anything but the recent trash with a very cheap pc. No reason to spend much. Pc wins in any case.