Decline The lack of sincerity in RPGs (and gaming in general)

[Morenatsu.]

You play RPGs about old dead titties?

The acronym ttrpg means tabletop roleplaying game

Titties at the tabletop means you will be playing gayboy slop.

 

[Iucounu]

So, what, if anything at all, is the way out of this dynamic? Just do our best to support the good amongst the bad?
Because as we know the trash keeps selling like hot cakes.

People with bad taste need to be shamed and ridiculed, to prevent them from having a negative influence on others.

 

[retardgrand]

The pop culture references in Fallout 2 were stupid, yes, but despite its silliness the game still takes its premise more seriously than your average modern game. It's not just about content, but about tone, and the tone of writing has shifted heavily towards insincerity.

The tone of gaming 20 years ago, even when it was dumb and self-referential, was more along the lines of "Look at this awesome shit! We're having fun in an awesome fantasy world, fuck yeah!"
Today, the tone is more like "Look at this silly and stupid world with all its silly tropes! But don't worry, we're totally aware of these tropes and don't take it too seriously. Being serious about fantasy is for nerds, right? Ha, anyway, here's some modern social issues that REALLY matter, unlike all this made up fantasy stuff!"

Fallout 2 was absolutely horrid about this and it should not be just handwaved. President of the Enclave is fucking named "Dick Richardson", with his vice president being an over the top Dan Quayle caricature. When your main villains are a complete joke, what's left. No matter of apologist can change the fact that Fallout 2 is massive decline compared to the first game.

 

[Red Rogue]

So, what, if anything at all, is the way out of this dynamic? Just do our best to support the good amongst the bad?
Because as we know the trash keeps selling like hot cakes.

People with bad taste need to be shamed and ridiculed, to prevent them from having a negative influence on others.

The problem is shaming is most effective when the majority opinion is exerting that pressure. We can shame Joe T. Asswipe from the Codex but no one will give a shit.

 

[Iucounu]

So, what, if anything at all, is the way out of this dynamic? Just do our best to support the good amongst the bad?
Because as we know the trash keeps selling like hot cakes.

People with bad taste need to be shamed and ridiculed, to prevent them from having a negative influence on others.

The problem is shaming is most effective when the majority opinion is exerting that pressure. We can shame Joe T. Asswipe from the Codex but no one will give a shit.

I wasn't entirely serious. But in many cases a respected individual may exert enough pressure to create doubt in the target's mind. So if a friend plays a despicable game, don't let him think it's the normal thing to do, and force him to acknowledge that it's indeed despicable.

 

[Red Rogue]

Came across this the other day and felt it especially related to this thread. He did another one more dialed in to millennial characters too.

 

[Beastro]

The pop culture references in Fallout 2 were stupid, yes, but despite its silliness the game still takes its premise more seriously than your average modern game. It's not just about content, but about tone, and the tone of writing has shifted heavily towards insincerity.

The tone of gaming 20 years ago, even when it was dumb and self-referential, was more along the lines of "Look at this awesome shit! We're having fun in an awesome fantasy world, fuck yeah!"
Today, the tone is more like "Look at this silly and stupid world with all its silly tropes! But don't worry, we're totally aware of these tropes and don't take it too seriously. Being serious about fantasy is for nerds, right? Ha, anyway, here's some modern social issues that REALLY matter, unlike all this made up fantasy stuff!"

Fallout 2 was absolutely horrid about this and it should not be just handwaved. President of the Enclave is fucking named "Dick Richardson", with his vice president being an over the top Dan Quayle caricature. When your main villains are a complete joke, what's left. No matter of apologist can change the fact that Fallout 2 is massive decline compared to the first game.

That was bad, but what was worse was the inability to side with the Enclave, so you're shoehorned into destroying them.

I could find the jokes at the end more acceptable if FO2 had preserved FO1s more open freedom of choice for the ending.