The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[DalekFlay]

Zen 2 and RDNA 2 doesn't mean anything specific when it comes to power. The architecture is good, but they could still put a downclocked low-end Zen2 processor in there, for example. Let's wait for real specs before we judge too much in either direction.

That said, it certainly sounds like MS is shooting for a super powerful machine in the Series X. Though like I said above, if it's running the same games as a low-end machine then all that power will basically be used on 4k resolution and maybe, if you're lucky, higher framerates. PS5 sounds like they're desperate to get it to $400, so who knows.

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

So Microsoft is getting away with setting the lowest/base specs for the entire next generation of games at 4 fucking TFLOPs even though nobody is actually gonna buy their underpowered cheap machine any more than they did the XBS.

 

[DalekFlay]

So Microsoft is getting away with setting the lowest/base specs for the entire next generation of games at 4 fucking TFLOPs even though nobody is actually gonna buy their underpowered cheap machine any more than they did the XBS.

If the Series X is $600-700 and they're committed to the Xbox platform then they might.

 

[Makabb]

So Microsoft is getting away with setting the lowest/base specs for the entire next generation of games at 4 fucking TFLOPs even though nobody is actually gonna buy their underpowered cheap machine any more than they did the XBS.

4 tflops in lockhart (if true) is only gpu.

The fast ssd, 8c/16t 4,0ghz cpu and 16gb ram is in both consoles. The stronger gpu is only there for 4k and maybe some extra effects. The developers are making special patches for the stronger consoles that enable extra features. (whats currently going on ps4 pro and xbone)
The PS4 had one single SE with 18 CU running at 800Mhz, while the PS4 Pro had two shader engines with 36 CU running at 911Mhz. When the PS4 Pro was playing original PS4 games that had not received a enhanced patch it disabled one of the SE to emulate the actual hardware of the PS4 so that there wouldn't be any bugs or glitches.

 

[Morgoth]

Full specs for the XSX released:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs

• CPU: 8x Zen 2 Cores at 3.8GHz (3.6GHz with SMT)
• GPU: 12 TFLOPs, 52 CUs at 1.825GHz, Custom RDNA 2
• Die Size: 360.45mm2
• Process: TSMC 7nm Enhanced
• Memory: 16GB GDDR6
• Memory Bandwidth: 10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s
• Internal Storage: 1TB Custom NVMe SSD
• IO Throughout: 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed)
• Expandable Storage: 1TB Expansion Card
• External Storage: USB 3.2 HDD Support
• Optical Drive: 4K UHD Blu-ray Drive
• Performance Target: 4K at 60fps - up to 120fps

 

[sullynathan]

 

[DalekFlay]

So basically a 5700xt and Ryzen 3700, underclocked a tad (especially the processor). That's pretty much what everyone expected months and months ago. Due to optimization in both hardware and game development it'll beat a PC with those specs, but it's still not some insanely progressive tech or anything, IMO. Especially since games will still run on an Xbox One S, all that power will just go to trying to achieve 4k60, and I'd rather have 1440p and 144hz, honestly. Still... if that comes out at $600 it's a good value, equivalent to just upgrading your GPU and CPU without anything else.

There's no "FUTURE OF GAMING!!!" here though.

 

[Morgoth]

DirectStorage sounds pretty cool. Hopefully this will be a standard Windows 10 feature too.

 

[soulburner]

The specs were kind of expected. I wonder how many cores or threads will be reserved for the operating system and not available to games. I still believe a 6 core 12 thread CPU will do just fine at least for a few years.

The most interesting things about these specs is... things we don't know about the RDNA 2 architecture. What kind of tweaks have been made and can we make direct comparisons with an RX5700 at all. How does the hardware ray tracing capability compare to Nvidia's RTX cards is also interesting. PC gamers might get the so called "big Navi" earlier than the consoles arrive, so we might get a taste of RNDA 2 sooner.
The second cool feature is the "hibernation" of game states - finally we will be able to stop complaining about games with automatic checkpoint save systems (but how often will players save the game state in an unwinnable instant death situation? ). I also hope this becomes a Windows 10 feature, but most of all, I hope memory and SSD prices stop rising.

 

[sullynathan]

The second cool feature is the "hibernation" of game states

Is this the quick switch game feature or something else?

 

[vortex]

What does it mean?

• Die Size: 360.45mm2
• Process: TSMC 7nm Enhanced

 

[DalekFlay]

The specs were kind of expected. I wonder how many cores or threads will be reserved for the operating system and not available to games. I still believe a 6 core 12 thread CPU will do just fine at least for a few years.

I believe they said 1 core and 2 threads for the OS, though I'd guess an additional core or two will be used for stuff like the game suspending features and such. Given how PC games usually lean more on the GPU though, and PC Ryzen is clocked higher, I doubt you're wrong.

Is this the quick switch game feature or something else?

No, it's the "stick another SSD in the slot and double your storage with no speed decline" thing.

 

[soulburner]

What does it mean?

• Die Size: 360.45mm2
• Process: TSMC 7nm Enhanced

It means the die size is 360.45 mm2 and it's manufactured at TSMC using their enhanced 7nm process. I suspect it's the same process that will be used for Zen 3 on PC - it allows slightly higher performance *or* a little lower power consumption than the "normal" 7nm node that the PC Zen 2 was built on.
For comparison, the Zen 2 based mobile Ryzen 4xxx 8 core APU (which should be in available in laptops by now, but likely the coronavirus shit delayed stuff) appears to be about 150 mm2 according to Anandtech.

 

[DalekFlay]

Reading more detail, the 100GB virtual memory would be a pretty cool progression in tech if it works how they're acting like it works. Everything else I still think is just a high-end PC in a cheaper box, like I said before.

The "add HDR to everything" sales pitch bounces right off me because I've seen how that works with movies and it's terrible.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

52 CU at 1.825 GHz is 25-30% better than 5700XT, probably close to 20% as it will clock lower, so something like 2080Super level of performance. This is looking good for big Navi if they can make a 350mm apu with these many CUs and clocks for power efficient consoles. Rumored 80 CU big Navi looks better and better, with the same clocks it will be 50% faster than 2080TI and 3080TI is rumored to be 40%. If AMD don't fuck up we will finally have some competition at the top end. Unfortunately I don't think prices for these cards will be that much lower, it will be miracle if something like $650 for top of the line model will be returning and that was already high price compared to $500 for the best GPU you can by 10 years ago. All retards that bought Titans and 1080s fucked everybody up.

 

[Morgoth]

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

 

[Morgoth]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

Cross-platform titles for the next 1-2 years certainly, but then you're gonna soon be left with dead silicon.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

Cross-platform titles for the next 1-2 years certainly, but then you're gonna soon be left with dead silicon.

gtx 970 bought in 2014 was able to run thisgen.
I was planning to upgrade pc 1-2 years into the lifecircle of console, because before that moment there is usually no competition with console hardware.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

1080p yes, probably even close to max. But why would you buy this shitty card is another question.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

1080p yes, probably even close to max. But why would you buy this shitty card is another question.

It's a pretty good card for the money. It costed me $200 and its closest competitors cost like twice as much.

 

[DalekFlay]

I don't know enough about the 970 to really advise on how it compares to the 1070, but at 1080p I don't think I'd recommend an upgrade right now. I had a 1060 and the only reason I upgraded last year was because of a new 1440p/144hz monitor. Otherwise I would have stuck it out until the next-gen console response GPUs were out.

 

[Morgoth]

I don't know enough about the 970 to really advise on how it compares to the 1070, but at 1080p I don't think I'd recommend an upgrade right now. I had a 1060 and the only reason I upgraded last year was because of a new 1440p/144hz monitor. Otherwise I would have stuck it out until the next-gen console response GPUs were out.

The Turing µarch can already do everything RDNA2 can. Raytracing performance remains the open question.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

1080p yes, probably even close to max. But why would you buy this shitty card is another question.

It's a pretty good card for the money. It costed me $200 and its closest competitors cost like twice as much.

"Brandnew 1070 ti" for $200 ok dude.

 

[fantadomat]

Will my brandnew Gainward Phoenix / Asus Rog Stix GTX 1070 ti be able to run new console games on medium-high graphical settings?

1080p yes, probably even close to max. But why would you buy this shitty card is another question.

It's a pretty good card for the money. It costed me $200 and its closest competitors cost like twice as much.

"Brandnew 1070 ti" for $200 ok dude.

It could be black market,it is reasonable price.