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[Achilles]

CD Projekt are making the same sorts of action-focussed games everyone else in the RPG industry is making. The only difference is they think they're "saving" the RPG industry by doing so.

I won't debate that, it is more or less true. Their business practices, however, deserve some praise at least. Little to no DRM, generous retail versions, free content. Not bad in this day and age.

 

[Havoc]

I laugh everytime I see "old-school" or "hardcore" RPG about TW2.

Well, if The Witcher/The Witcher 2 is not oldschool, hadrcore RPG, I don't know what is.

Well, Risen was. (Risen 2 being Steam-requiring shit notwithstanding).

I cannot think about any RPG game being better then Gothic1/2/NOTR and TW1/2(EEs?)

TW1/2 and the Gothic series (with Risen) aren't hardcore RPG's or oldschool RPG's. They're just RPG's.

 

[Licaon_Kter]

TW1/2 and the Gothic series (with Risen) aren't hardcore RPG's or oldschool RPG's. They're just RPG's.

so, liek, what's a RPG anyway ???

 

[Brayko]

CD Projekt is the European EA?

 

[J_C]

CD Projekt are making the same sorts of action-focussed games everyone else in the RPG industry is making. The only difference is they think they're "saving" the RPG industry by doing so.

No, the only difference is that their games are good action focussed games opposite to Mass Effect for example. It doesn't matter if they think that they are saving the RPG industry or not.

 

[Black]

CD Projekt is the European EA?

EA releases content for free? 2012 trying too hard to fit in.

 

[Brayko]

Yeah wait until they get bigger. Their "goodwill" will turn into exclusive pre-prder bonuses for The Witcher 4.56: Triss Transvestite Sodomize Your Anus.

 

[Metro]

It definitely is a breath of fresh air in the somewhat stale genre.

What genre is that? The action adventure genre?

 

[Malpercio]

Image if CD Project was brought by EA.

 

[Havoc]

TW1/2 and the Gothic series (with Risen) aren't hardcore RPG's or oldschool RPG's. They're just RPG's.

so, liek, what's a RPG anyway ???

I would call Fallout an oldschoold RPG or hardcore RPG considering what today passes as an RPG.

 

[St. Toxic]

TW1/2 and the Gothic series (with Risen) aren't hardcore RPG's or oldschool RPG's. They're just RPG's.

Just barely. They're more like open-world dungeon crawlers.

 

[Infinitron]

"Open-world dungeon crawlers"

 

[Kjujik]

You're referring to CD Projekt's bold new steps of taking RPGs down...

... the same path everybody else has been walking down for the past decade.

I mean please, they made an action twitch game for consoles with combat dumbing down quick time events. If BioWare did that, we would rightly chew them out a new asshole. This isn't about them "holding up the values of the books" and shunning "old-school RPGs", this is about them selling lots of copies of their action game and making money while they self-flagellate themselves as the saviours of the RPG.

Remember when they wanted to "redefine the RPG"? Well, the entire RPG industry had already well and truly abandoned turn-based combat and embraced real-time by 2006. And yet: "Our goal is to focus on delivering a great story [...] and introducing combat yet to be seen in PC RPGs." Apparently this "yet to be seen" combat is action-focussed QTE's taken from other games years after it has already been done. Someone should tell them that isn't new.

CD Projekt are making the same sorts of action-focussed games everyone else in the RPG industry is making. The only difference is they think they're "saving" the RPG industry by doing so.

No argument here, I was trying to say exactly the same. What CDP is doing, would be refreshing, but since everybody else is doing that - it is NOT. I even expressly stated that TWicher is “as nextgen as it gets”. Hence the journalist claiming that TWicher was “old school RPG” made an ass of himself. TWicher is an action adventure and nothing more.

The only point I was trying to make was, that they at least had the decency to contribute to the decline with some style. The writing was better than in most modern turds and gameplay was fun. Not Ultima fun, but rather Contra or Lost Vikings fun.

And I never claimed CDP is the new Saviour of Gaming Industry, because there is no such thing.

Also

It definitely is a breath of fresh air in the somewhat stale genre.

What genre is that? The action adventure genre?

Reading comprehension 101.

It definitely is a breath of fresh air in the somewhat stale genre. Or it would have been, had the whole industry not been going down the simplified action adventure way.

So it would be a breath of fresh air, but since (almost) everybody is doing that – i.e. advertising action adventure as “old school” RPG – it is NOT. And since is NOT a breath of fresh air and is NOT “redefining the genre” (whatever it might mean), it IS just contributing to the general spiral of decline.

All I wanted to say was that CDP is at least doing it in an enjoyable way and if other companies at least tried to disguise the decline with similarly good writing or enjoyable gameplay, the decline would be less noticeable or maybe even just bearable.

 

[Licaon_Kter]

Yeah wait until they get bigger. Their "goodwill" will turn into exclusive pre-prder bonuses for The Witcher 4.56: Triss Transvestite Sodomize Your Anus.

They said the whole per-store exclusive content did not work and they released all the DLCs for free for all gamers in a patch 2 weeks later, so I doubt they'll rehash this trick again.

I would call Fallout an oldschoold RPG or hardcore RPG considering what today passes as an RPG.

dude, WTF? stop it, just kidding

 

[curry]

Why is The Turd 2 still in the news?

 

[phanboy_iv]

I noticed, when playing the Prologue - as interesting as it is - that the action was very directed and focused. For an old-school style RPG, that’s a bold direction to take. Will the game open up after this section of the game? And the focus on tight direction and cinematics - was there any inspiration from BioWare on that front, or are you going in a different direction with this?

Mark Ziemak: I think we’re going in a totally different direction. We’re all about telling stories and having this really well-defined character in a quite open world with a complex combat system and character development.

Did I miss something? Witcher games are directed as fuck.

 

[Metro]

Image if CD Project was brought by EA.

Game play would be the same just with shittier writing.

Reading comprehension 101.

More like horrible articulation 102. Three doors down on your left.

 

[FUDU]

OMG DarkUnder(pants)lord must be a diabetic.

because.......................he no likes potato.

 

[el Supremo]

TW1/2 and the Gothic series (with Risen) aren't hardcore RPG's or oldschool RPG's. They're just RPG's.

Says who?

Then what is old school and harcore? Ultima?

Old school and hardcore are not the same things as archaic.

Come on, get a grip.

 

[Phelot]

yeah well they still cant spell project right

[Perception]: Bonq lacks intelligence to successfully indentify that projekt is a potato spelling which also sounds different vocally.

No, I used to make this joke and it'd cause Potatoes to go absolutely nuts. Still works I see.

For an old-school style RPG

wat.

EDIT: Yeah, CDP is really becoming obnoxious with their holier-than-thou attitudes. I remember with their TW1 patches it was always this huge celebration because they give you a few freebies and name their patches Super Enhanced Ultra Edition rather than just 1.3

Yes, it's nice that they give free stuff from time to time, but that used to be the standard, stop acting like they're this new bad ass that's changing the gaming industry.

 

[misha]

"Yes, it's nice that they give free stuff from time to time, but that used to be the standard, stop acting like they're this new bad ass that's changing the gaming industry." - USED (past tense). The present state of the 'industry' is paying 5$ for a single mesh cool horse plating. So if the present behavior is different, it is a CHANGE logically, because change can be also returning to the old habit.

But there is no problem coz whole topic "the are not making sth oldschool" is ridiculous. They are not making oldschool game because they make modern game. What is important, they keep attention on things most devs ignore nowadays. You can have critical opinion on writting, game machanics, voice acting, narration etc. But neglecting the fact that they put an effort to make something different to an "AAA" productions where sidequest and interaction with environment are flat and simplified, is imho, wrong.

Ofcourse, VoD or anyone else can search on googlemaps or wiki where Cracow is, and post sth like "potato detected" :], this is the codex - it has own rules, such as trying to cut to ribbons everyone if there is a chance. It has no meaning for the discussion. When we talk about other devs there is no negative reference to the country where they come from (usually). For me as a Pole it's sth to be proud of that after years of iron curtain, which wasn't our choice, we start to make sth recognizable-so my opinion about Witcher is ofcourse less objective, but still - everytime reference to a vegetable is or; unimpartial or primitive. We have our flaws as every nation, in many places it's cool to insult us or others, codex isn't free of it-in my opinion unfortunately. Still.. Codex is good thing, Vod and other potatofans can write sth valuable or make a smile on my face so there i can take this shit as many here take other. cheers.

 

[FUDU]

^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Twitcher 2 is a great game, but it's hardly some harken back to the glory days of pc gaming, that's just crazy potato moonspeak.

 

[VentilatorOfDoom]

Ofcourse, VoD or anyone else can search on googlemaps or wiki where Cracow is, and post sth like "potato detected" :

Thanks for the tip, but I already knew where Krakau is.

But neglecting the fact that they put an effort to make something different to an "AAA" productions where sidequest and interaction with environment are flat and simplified, is imho, wrong.

Not sure if serious. Do you mean to imply that "interaction with the environment" in TW2 wasn't flat and simplified? Or that CDProjekt raised the bar when it comes to the design of sidequests when compared to other AAA productions?

 

[misha]

with all respect but (about sidequests) comparing to latest fantasy productions of; bioware, DA:O (mighty queeeeestbags!), DA2 (hey you got my frying pan! you've saved my life!); Obsidian's NWN2, won't mention here DG3.. well.. yes seriously I think its a lot better and more complex I havent mentioned here the aspect of handcrafting of the lore - for me it's obvious.

Again - according to logical meaning of my statement, what I intend to say is a difference to today's AAA products (if you think Oblivion2 or above titles are better overally i would like to hear why)-i dedicate this sentence also to fizzelopeguss who has digged from nowhere "the glory days of pc gaming" phrase. C'mon... where I have said that I want to compare witcher to planescape and other games of "the glory" - we are talking about the present state.

 

[Kosmonaut]

Poles being butthurt by people criticising Twicher flaws ITT.