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Editorial Top 10 Gods of The Elder Scrolls

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<p><em>You yearn to visit Skyrim. You've been to Oblivion and Morrowind. These deities made them all possible. </em></p>
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<p>Attention Elder Scrolls loremasters, it's time to show off your knowledge while discussing the topic of this <a href="http://pc.ign.com/articles/116/1161193p1.html" target="_blank">IGN article</a>, the top 10 Elder Scrolls deities.</p>
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<p><strong>Vivec</strong><br /><br />Vivec is a floating golden Dumner poet-demigod. And if you hadn't previously asked yourself why the hell you're reading this article, you certainly did when you read that sentence. You are welcome. Now, on with the lesson. Vivec is seen as a benevolent protector by his worshippers. They conveniently ignore the fact that he may also be a murdering weirdo. But he writes sweet poems and taught the Dark Elves how to breathe underwater, so I can see how they overlook the bad bits. Great, just what we need: elves who can breathe underwater. It's gross enough when your leg brushes up against a mud crab as you cross a river. Now we have to worry about elves swimming around down there? Yuck. Thanks for nothing, Vivec. Still, he's gold and he floats. Awesome. Sure, he's not technically a god anymore (it's complicated), but who's keeping track? <br /><br /><strong>Akatosh</strong><br /><br />Ah, Akatosh. If the power of a god derives in part from his sheer age, then Aka is the biggest and baddest of them all. How many gods can say they formed in "the Beginning Place"? Yeah, that's what I thought. The goofy necklace that Patrick Stewart wears at the beginning of Oblivion? That's the Amulet of Kings, and its destruction summoned Akatosh in the form of an enormous flaming dragon. It was Akatosh who defeated Mehrunes Dagon and saved Cyrodil from being sucked into Oblivion. Aka is one of only two deities to appear in every single religion in Tamriel; even most of the dirty elves acknowledge him!</p>
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I have played only Oblivion so as far as I am concerned, any got that gives me a good ability and loot as a reward is "teh best god evar".

Others can go suck a fuck. Oh and also, unbreakable lockpics set? Best GOD EVER!!!..!!!..!
 
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A discussion that can only serve to incite nostalgia and sadness. Elder Scrolls series had a very decent shot at being covert tales of semi-Lovecraftian cosmic horrors and intrigue mingled with fantasy but instead went full retardo with Christianising the game.

I call out to Callaxes; if this, among all the things, is not reason enough to hate the developers, what is? They are turning TES into a juvenile piece of garbage aimed at morons. DOVAHKIIIIN! DOVAHKIIIIN!
 

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Top 10... when there are only 8? :retarded:

(in before nine)

Oh right, he also included the Daedra, and even Vivec. I'd rage, but since Bethesda themselves have raped TES lore beyond recognition I don't really care at this point.
 
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SCO said:
Why ask Callaxes?

Callaxes said:
Why is it that it's so easy to hate (maybe hate is not the right word here) game developers? It seems to come about more easily then hating politicians.

At the opposite end, a game developer will get praised a lot if he works on a good game. But the praise and fandom isn't much different from say a writer or a favorite musician (but of course, with less money and fans).

But I've never seen the quality of dislike that developers get from making bad games. I guess they have all the bad qualities combined in one package. They're a part of a firm, which makes it easier to generalize and think that "They're all the same at Bethesda". There's mercantilism, hype and a sort of "WW1 era" sense of pride you see so times when they'll say they're the best. And then there's always broken hearts when cult classic or a series reinvents itself and slowly evolves into something else.

It's often easy to forget that the people involved in making a game are in the end just a team of people. And while they might not be a happy family, they're probably a lot more united and friendly then people who work in cubicles all day and hate their job. So it might seem very weird for them when they see any of their colleagues bashed on boards as we usually do.

I don't like to berate people at all, but it's so easy to develop a grudge over people like him.
 

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Sceptic said:
Top 10... when there are only 8? :retarded:

There are 9 divines.

(in before nine)

:smug:

Oh right, he also included the Daedra, and even Vivec. I'd rage, but since Bethesda themselves have raped TES lore beyond recognition I don't really care at this point.

There's no point in raging since the daedra princes are gods in the real world sense. The word god has a more specific meaning in TES but it's not the one he's using.
 

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villain of the story said:
A discussion that can only serve to incite nostalgia and sadness. Elder Scrolls series had a very decent shot at being covert tales of semi-Lovecraftian cosmic horrors and intrigue mingled with fantasy but instead went full retardo with Christianising the game.

:retarded:
 

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After lots of discussions, in the appointed day, 21st First Seed, the Council gathers in the Hogithum Hall in the Imperial City and ready to perform the summoning. The air is thick with clouds of incense. Ainoryl begins his incantation. "Hir ylu ghelibrulen, cojet handu alu ma. En sen di toen ambri el. En ense el ambiolis cemn solu neht, solu sequesenhet. Cortu den se bjhaten kalem ir ne trame se vasdo nipex sooh. Se mehwe quesne lirrimo si treste atu del. Azura en Vehk garjes mustra, cen cae sirtremil trenbien. Je en el entra se, Je en eltru cemn setru natra seen olon."

Then Azura appears, "AZURA IS COME"

Allerleirauh says, "Gracious Azura, Prince of Moonshadow, Mother of the Rose, Queen of the Night Sky, we who are assembled here seek your wisdom, according to the ancient custom, on this your sacred day, the 21st day of First Seed, called Hogithum. We thank you for favoring us with your presence and we hope that you will indulge us regarding the matter which lies before us now."

Azura: "YES I AM PLEASED"

Nigedo: "Great Azura, Vehk of the Tribunal, known also as the god-king Vivec, has submitted himself to our judgement, according to Dunmer law. We understand that the Hortator Indoril Nerevar required Vehk and the other Tribunes to swear that they would never to use the tools of Kagrenac and that they swore this oath upon your name. We also understand that Vehk then murdered Indoril Nerevar and, foreswearing their oath, the Tribunal used the tools of Kagrenac to make themselves the gods of the Dunmer. Further, we understand that you swore you would cause Nerevar to return and avenge himself against the Tribunal and now your servant, the Nerevarine Incarnate, has destroyed Kagrenac's enchantments upon the Heart of Lorkhan, severing the Tribunal's connection to the source of their power and making them mortal again. For these reasons, because you are intimately tied to these events, and because you have witnessed what is long past as no other has, we hope that you will share your insight by answering some questions we have prepared for you."

Azura: "GIFTS? WRAITHRING SHADOW MONSTER CROWN STAR GOOD QUESTION"

However Vivec halts the preceeding, "Silence. There will be no questions. This is something different now."

Azura: "DEVIL DEVIL MOCK DEVIL DEVIL SPEAK NOT"

Vivec: "Rude spirit, you should never have come. Not here. Not to the world of the liars, where your power is fleshed to law, bound by the bones of the compromise. Shallow changer, whorescamp, say you that you rule dusk and dawn? Let me show you the power of the true Dawn, when Gods walked."

Azura: "WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT IS THAT I FEEL?"

Vivec: "I am the Thief of this World, with stars, and by my Charges I put you down."

A shadow leaves Vivec, snapping off him to wrap around the Daedric Prince, cracking the air as it stiffens.

Vivec: "With my Charges I put you down. By this Shadow, I call your neonymic forth, your chosen throne, sundown and sunrise, death and birth of shadow. You are bound to this place."

Azura: "WHAT NO DEVIL PLEASE NO NO NO"

Vivec: "How does it feel, Lord Azura? To so fully manifest here is the Mundus, stripped down only to your name? Perhaps it feels a bit like my sister did, when your machinations split her, name from land, nymic eth maliache velot, thoughtless save for domain. AE ALTADOON DUNMERI for my sister's madness I eat you."

Azura: "NO DEVIL NO PLEASE STOP"

Ainroyl steps forward. His eyes are dead. But he smiles anyway.

Vivec: "Do you remember which mortal you bound herein with your jealousy and your spite? She has need of vengeance, too. GHARTOK PAHOME."

Ainoryl explodes. "Milord...serve..." Viscera shower the crowd.

Vivec: "These are my people, Azura. See how they serve? You should have stayed replaced." Vehk nods to Nigedo, his bravest. "Nigedo, curse this heshe-bitch as she has done our people."

Nigedo: "Lattice-bound creature of the Ever Now, experience for yourself the inexorable progress of the Wheel, know the drumming torment of Time giving way to Time and share in the despair of souls trapped within the Dragon's Boned Cage."

Vivec: "By this Lover, I call your protonymic forth, your secret throne, youth and return, the lover's morning, the loved one's end. You are buried in this place."

A shape unfolds from within Azura's Star and coalesces into a lovely female form.

"And so, the last of those you called "False Gods" seeks his revenge against you, Azura; you, false to me, false to all my people, petty and vengeful spirit, enemy of all my happiness. It is I, Azura, I whom you never thought to see again. You swore in the Halls of Oblivion that no mortal such as I was worthy to be paired with a Prince of the Daedra. You thought, by binding me within this prison of your own invention, to place me forever beyond the reach of one who can transcend the bounds of life and death - my love, my soul - to stop even my rebirth into the world in another form, lest we two find one another again. You have lost and I have won. But what I have suffered at your hands I will not forget, not though I die a thousand deaths and live a thousand lifetimes. It is your turn, Azura, Mother of the Blasted Canker, Stain upon the Night Sky, Prince of nothing but your own envy. May you be cast into outermost darkness and uttermost cold. May you cry out to those who loved you and hear nothing, not even your own voice. Never again show yourself in this fair form to the mortal fools who have been your slaves; and let what is offered to you be carried, steaming and redolent of spices, to my Lord's table. My Lord, my lover who would never have forsaken me, Clavicus Vile!"

Azura: "GAHAAAAA NO NO NO PLEASE NO WHATTTTTTttT NO DEVIL PLEASE NO I CANNOT"

Vivec: "There now. Better. How does one feel when weighted down by their heaviest of mysteries? When one gazes into their soul and sees their own eyes staring back? Perhaps it's how my brother felt, folding into himself like a prism until your darts were thrown, nymic sel sulimet elhnodidan, thought thinking thought. AE ALTADOON DUNMERI for my brother's wasting I eat you."

Azura: "I CANNOT FEEL CANNOT WHAT FEEL CANNOT WHO FEEL THIS WHAT I CANNOT"

In the confusion, some scholars tried to stop Vivec, but Vivec magically silence them. Then Vivec draws forth the antlers, breaking off one of its bloodied tips.

Vivec: "Recognize this? The blood, I mean, not the silly bone-frozen Bosmer. No? It's from one of yours. He died in your name. And so by the blood of this khajiit, I climb you, moon and moon, and Dance on your Tower. AE CHIM CE ALTADOON for my own revenge I eat you. AE CHIM CE ALTADOON for my own revenge I eat you."

Azura: "CHIM? HOW?"

Vivec assembles a spear from the bones of his armor.

Vivec: "Here, this is Muatra. Guess what it represents."

Vivec stuffs Muatra into Azura's mouth. Azura chokes!

Vivec: "YOU ARE BANISHED FROM THIS STARRY HEART"

Azura explodes.

Vivec: "HA HA HA HA HA HA I give my thanks to all assembled, my dumb, deaf dreamers! You've proven a convicing ruse for so long now! I would ask that you bear me no ill will for my use of you, but I am Vivec, born of powers which should have forever been unalike, Vehk and Vehk, murderer of the last and last, anon ALMSIVI, whose name is Alive, and so really do not care! HA HA HA HA HA HA My vengeance on this prophesying harlot has waited an age! I am DONE! Good night, my whirling, my snowskin, my silent doubter! Good night, the dead! Good night, the law! Good night, the madness and the worm! Good night, scholar and sword! Good night all who have spoken or lurked or cast stone! Good night, for Vehk and Vehk shall speak here NO MORE! This was my last gift to all of you, which as they all have ever been, was a gift unto MYSELF! The time of the Empire is come! Good night! Farewell! I am VIVEC."

Halted, Vivec says, "Oh, yes, the ringlet. What was this for, you might wonder. Here:"

Vivec places ringlet in his mouth, and a Voice issues out.

"He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator."

Vivec removes ringlet

Vivec: "VIVEC WROTE THIS"

Vivec vanishes. And then the revenge of Vivec against Azura is finished. Vivec uses his own trial in order to bind and banish the Prince of Dusk and Dawn after what the Prince did to the Chimer/Dunmer and the Tribunal. After this event, the regular gateways to Moonshadow, the realm of Azura, is inaccessible. Whether this has to do with the unlawful incidents at Hogithum Hall in the Capital City or mere whim of Azura herself, no one can say.
 
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Mastermind said:
villain of the story said:
A discussion that can only serve to incite nostalgia and sadness. Elder Scrolls series had a very decent shot at being covert tales of semi-Lovecraftian cosmic horrors and intrigue mingled with fantasy but instead went full retardo with Christianising the game.

:retarded:

Redefining game lore around Christian values of good and evil where Daedra = evil, Oblivion = almost like Hell, villain = SATAN!, what with demonic invasion from hell theme... And now we have dragons awaking to destroy everything so that the player can hunt them down and leech their powers. It's not like they care to add any intrigue by adding giving loyalties to dragons, some intelligence and faction dynamics to dragons as dragons aren't supposed to be mindless predators in TES but no that wouldn't be epic enough. We have to have something that we can call evil with certainty. Once again, a shitty good vs. evil trope.

I don't understand why you have to be such a moron to not understand this. Out of curiosity, I expanded your post because you posted two posts and doing so once more reminded me why I put you in ignored in the first place.

I should have more confidence in my judgements. Always second-guessing my own decisions. Not good.
 

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Mastermind said:
There are 9 divines.

8 if you ask me, Tiber is a fraud made for Imperial propaganda(hey doodz look our man bacame a god, OBEY!)


Redefining game lore around Christian values of good and evil where Daedra = evil, Oblivion = almost like Hell, villain = SATAN!, what with demonic invasion from hell theme... And now we have dragons awaking to destroy everything so that the player can hunt them down and leech their powers.

I wonder when they will run out of those cliched enemies (ancient evil dudes, demons, dragons, undead)
 

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Best god by far is Tiber Septim. How he (or rather, they) managed to ascend was pure genius.
 

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villain of the story said:
Mastermind said:
villain of the story said:
A discussion that can only serve to incite nostalgia and sadness. Elder Scrolls series had a very decent shot at being covert tales of semi-Lovecraftian cosmic horrors and intrigue mingled with fantasy but instead went full retardo with Christianising the game.

:retarded:

Redefining game lore around Christian values of good and evil where Daedra = evil, Oblivion = almost like Hell, villain = SATAN!, what with demonic invasion from hell theme... And now we have dragons awaking to destroy everything so that the player can hunt them down and leech their powers. It's not like they care to add any intrigue by adding giving loyalties to dragons, some intelligence and faction dynamics to dragons as dragons aren't supposed to be mindless predators in TES but no that wouldn't be epic enough. We have to have something that we can call evil with certainty. Once again, a shitty good vs. evil trope.

I don't understand why you have to be such a moron to not understand this. Out of curiosity, I expanded your post because you posted two posts and doing so once more reminded me why I put you in ignored in the first place.

I should have more confidence in my judgements. Always second-guessing my own decisions. Not good.

VotS, they have to if they intend to sell any considerables amount of copies. Listen, Christians, especially the ones in the west, Anglos specifically (which also happen to be THE target audience as far as publishing studios are concerned) are an extremely narcissistic sort. Bigoted too, oh how bigoted they are. Even the self styled liberal and/or secular ones. What I mean to say, they love anglo Tolkienesque bullshit, with elves, and dragons, and orcs, and banally simplistic evil-vs-good storylines, which basically describes almost EVERY RPG out there. All they want is a mirror held up to them. They've all seen it before, they've all played the same game over and over, only with a different name. As far as they are concerned, as long as it helps them remain in their comfort zone, it doesn't matter if it's the same game with a different name. There is so much in slavic, central-Asian, and even west African mythology and/or fiction to milk for game content, enough for about 100 Elder Scrolls sequels. But no, we got fairies, elves, and all other spoon-feed Tolkienesque bullshit that is pretty much the only thing on the shelf right now for these English speaking peasants to gobble up. So I think it's not so much uniquely a Christian thing, as much as it is an anglo thing that you are seeing.


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With a name like Julianos you have to be a pimp and yes Julianos was a pimp in his days.
 

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Kaanyrvhok said:
Julianos
With a name like Julianos you have to be a pimp and yes Julianos was a pimp in his days.

pimping code like nobody's business.

edit: I think Ark'ay is a pretty cool guy, eh attains godhood and doesn't afraid of any plague.
 

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VentilatorOfDoom said:
Vivec

Vivec is a floating golden Dumner poet-demigod. And if you hadn't previously asked yourself why the hell you're reading this article, you certainly did when you read that sentence. You are welcome. Now, on with the lesson. Vivec is seen as a benevolent protector by his worshippers. They conveniently ignore the fact that he may also be a murdering weirdo. But he writes sweet poems and taught the Dark Elves how to breathe underwater, so I can see how they overlook the bad bits. Great, just what we need: elves who can breathe underwater. It's gross enough when your leg brushes up against a mud crab as you cross a river. Now we have to worry about elves swimming around down there? Yuck. Thanks for nothing, Vivec. Still, he's gold and he floats. Awesome. Sure, he's not technically a god anymore (it's complicated), but who's keeping track?

I punched that guy to death in Morrowind. Some god.
 

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Lunac said:
VotS, they have to if they intend to sell any considerables amount of copies. Listen, Christians, especially the ones in the west, Anglos specifically (which also happen to be THE target audience as far as publishing studios are concerned) are an extremely narcissistic sort. Bigoted too, oh how bigoted they are.

And they say irony is dead.
 

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villain of the story said:
Redefining game lore around Christian values of good and evil where Daedra = evil, Oblivion = almost like Hell, villain = SATAN!, what with demonic invasion from hell theme...

Other than Daggerfall (maybe daggerfall too, never bothered to finish that piece of shit) every TES game has had a good vs evil plot with a villain at the end. They even refer to dagoth ur as the devil for fuck's sake. You call that "redefining game lore"? Daedra are portrayed as a diverse bunch in every TES game that has them, including Oblivion. Oblivion =/= hell, that was just Mehrunes Dagon's realm. Were the Shivering Isles portrayed as Dante's inferno, you terminally stupid fuck?

And now we have dragons awaking to destroy everything so that the player can hunt them down and leech their powers. It's not like they care to add any intrigue by adding giving loyalties to dragons,

The Alduin of legend comes to devour the whole world. Siding with him would be as retarded as siding with the Master, and in all likelyhood consist of you allowing yourself to be eaten by a dragon. You could allows yourself to be killed in Oblivion and Morrowind too if that's how you wanna play. Or is this ending unsatisfying enough without a cutscene, bioware style? :smug: How is this "redefining" anyway? I don't remember being allowed to side with Jagar Tharn, or Dagoth Ur.

some intelligence and faction dynamics to dragons as dragons aren't supposed to be mindless predators in TES but no that wouldn't be epic enough.

You whine about the lack of fractions while in one breath assume these dragons are all from the same faction as the ones from previous TES stories? I know it's getting repetitive, but you're one stupid motherfucker.

We have to have something that we can call evil with certainty. Once again, a shitty good vs. evil trope.

Good vs evil, unique to Christianity. :smug:

I don't understand why you have to be such a moron to not understand this.

It is impossible for someone of my superior intellect to understand the dumb, ignorant shit conclusions in your posts. Now that you've expanded on it I can understand what you're saying, and can thus explain why it's uninformed, retarded shit.

Out of curiosity, I expanded your post because you posted two posts and doing so once more reminded me why I put you in ignored in the first place.

To shield your fragile ego from your intellectual betters?
 

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