People News Torment Kickstarter Update #49: Kevin Saunders leaves inXile, replaced by Chris Keenan

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(InXile and I - really? InXile is not even a person).

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[slackerwizrd]

 

[Zed]

maybe this is inxile making room for MCA. he must be getting tired of cosplaying and SJWs at this point.

The whole wording and the hints of his personality seeping through, give me the vibe of a person that is very polite/positive etc, but whom it is impossible to tolerate for more than some time. A bit like the blonde wife on the second season of Fargo.

are you kidding? I didn't care about kirsten dunst during the spiderman years but damn shes like a milky milf now.
examples of intolerable women in TV would be: all women in shitty shows like lost, heroes, and walking dead and the wife in breaking bad.

 

[Junmarko]

Setting my watch and awaiting imminent, bitter outbursts from Saunders' and InXile on social media.

 

[hpstg]

are you kidding? I didn't care about kirsten dunst during the spiderman years but damn shes like a milky milf now.
examples of intolerable women in TV would be: all women in shitty shows like lost, heroes, and walking dead and the wife in breaking bad.

She is very panicky and... weird in that role. Great acting actually, but I could tolerate her if she was real.

 

[hexer]

Based on some hints in Kevin's letter ("I do not know what I'll do next") and Chris' ("bring Torment to completion!") it sounds like he got fired because it's Q4 2015 and the game is still not finished. Wasn't the original deadline Q4 2014? So they brought in Chris to save the day.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Maybe Militiades made Kevin an offer he couldn't refuse.

 

[prodigydancer]

it sounds like he got fired because it's Q4 2015 and the game is still not finished.

Unlikely. The original release date was set with the 900k funding goal in mind and it would make sense for a smaller scale game. Between "take all the time you need" getting 1.7k votes on UserVoice, the pledge counter on the TToN site now nearing $5m and positive alpha feedback I see absolutely no reason to sack the project lead so abruptly. I could picture Brian telling him something along the lines of "we really need to get this show on the road in this millennium" but actually firing him just because there's a delay would be a gross overreaction.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Well that was unexpected. Interested to see what he does next


Only 500k words though?

 

[Aenra]

It's only the project's director. There's absolutely nothing to worry about folks. Numenera is guaranteed to be as spectacular, as deep, as systemic a breakthrough as Wasteland 2 was! Promise!

 

[Xeon]

I kinda thought Chris Keenan is more of an Adam Heine and Josh than Kevin you know, like a programmer who knows system stuff more than being visionary like MCA. then again Kevin sounded a lot like Josh with him coming up with unique words instead of using common.

I hope Kevin can join Obsidian.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

With the major creative and production decisions now resolved, and the team charging full speed toward completing the game, inXile and I have decided it is time for me to depart from the studio. I am proud of the project that I'm leaving in capable hands, and while I do not know what I'll do next, I look forward to new challenges and opportunities.

It could have been a temporary thing all along, but you'd think he'd be there until the end of development at least, and it is strange that he doesn't have another job lined up.

 

[Crooked Bee]

This is some really sad news. At least Kevin was on the project long enough to bring it into shape for the alpha (and the upcoming beta) and to get all the design fundamentals coordinated and in place, so hopefully Chris Keenan has his work cut out for him.

I hope Kevin finds a new job soon.

 

[tarasis]

Tags: Chris Keenan; InXile Entertainment; Kevin Saunders; Torment: Tides of Numenera

More unexpected news from inXile this weekend, this time of a more disturbing nature.

What other news was there? I looked at the news page and couldn't find anything else from this weekend.

 

[Nekot-The-Brave]

This may be more of a leadership issue. He mentions 'InXile' as a group of people, not as a singular entity. He may not have been suited for a leadership role and his subordinates had issues with this; OR: he just royally screwed the fuck up (like accidentally leaking data to a media outlet, or elsewhere) and it was the company's duty to can him for legal reasons.

 

[Infinitron]

What other news was there? I looked at the news page and couldn't find anything else from this weekend.

Pardon my ambiguity. What I meant was "more unexpected news" with only THIS bit of news being this weekend. The previous unexpected news was the New Orleans studio.

 

[Ismaul]

examples of intolerable women in TV would be: all women in shitty shows like lost, heroes, and walking dead and the wife in breaking bad.

Fucking women right? It's no surprise there's this whole thing about it not being gay to lust after other men as long as they have tits or appropriate clothing.

 

[Deleted member 7219]

This may be more of a leadership issue. He mentions 'InXile' as a group of people, not as a singular entity. He may not have been suited for a leadership role and his subordinates had issues with this; OR: he just royally screwed the fuck up (like accidentally leaking data to a media outlet, or elsewhere) and it was the company's duty to can him for legal reasons.

I don't know where you pulled all that from, but Kevin Saunders is a professional game designer. He worked for Obsidian and was lead on Mask of the Betrayer. You're talking bollocks when you say he isn't suited for a leadership role, his leadership allowed George Ziets' talents to flourish on MotB, and he was personally recommended to inXile by Chris Avellone.

If it was an unpleasant firing he wouldn't have been allowed to write another Kickstarter update and he certainly wouldn't have given a shout out to Brian Fargo.

 

[ROARRR]

Based on some hints in Kevin's letter ("I do not know what I'll do next") and Chris' ("bring Torment to completion!") it sounds like he got fired because it's Q4 2015 and the game is still not finished. Wasn't the original deadline Q4 2014? So they brought in Chris to save the day.

Would you do that?
Me say: Firing a lead person is a very crass move. Especially just for a delay.

 

[Infinitron]

So, it turns out ksaun launched a blog earlier this month, entitled "Reactivity": http://reactivity.ghost.io/

http://reactivity.ghost.io/an-unexpected-journey/

An Unexpected Journey
06 OCTOBER 2015

Hello. My name's Kevin Saunders and welcome to my first post. Please excuse the limited content at the moment. I wasn't really expecting you just yet. I'm generally going to be writing about topics such as: game design and development, leadership, crowdfunding, and user interface design.

If you've come across my name before, it's most likely through either my book (Game Interface Design) or Torment: Tides of Numenera (TTON). Almost three years ago, I joined inXile entertainment to design and lead the Kickstarter crowdfunding campaign for TTON. Generous backers supported us for a record-breaking (for Kickstarter video games) $4.2M, an honor we held for more than two years. From that time, through last month, I was the project lead for TTON.

Torment provided some unique opportunities to explore the nature of reactivity in games and it's one of the most interesting (to me) game design topics. By "reactivity," I mean the game responding believably to player choices. There are different levels and types of reactivity possible in games and this is one of the topics to which I expect to explore in this blog.

For now, just this brief welcome. Thanks for stopping by. Please feel free to contact me with questions at any time.

http://reactivity.ghost.io/crowdfunding-is-about-more-than-money/

Crowdfunding isn't just about the money
12 OCTOBER 2015

Even if it’s not your primary goal, raising money is at least part of what crowdfunding is about. But is it the most important goal? It isn’t to me, as I learned concretely on the first day of our campaign for Torment: Tides of Numenera.

It was afternoon on Wednesday, March 6th, 2013. Slightly before 6 AM PST, I launched the Kickstarter for Torment: Tides of Numenera from my quiet kitchen. Within a few hours, we reached our funding target of $900K and then broke the record for the fastest Kickstarter to $1M. Brian Fargo sent out a quick update to our early backers expressing our thanks at the overwhelming support. I was writing our second update, what would be my first of 14 throughout the month-long campaign (and almost fifty over the last 2.5 years).

Someone suggested calling out our record-breaking success, how much money we had raised.

I’m normally very deliberative, carefully thinking through want I want to say before saying it. But in this case, I responded quickly and instinctively. “No, this isn’t about the money. It’s about the game. The backers don’t care about the money.” My strong negative reaction to the casual suggestion stuck with me, and I later reflected on it.

Drawing excessive attention to Torment’s success would have been bragging. And beseeching our already generous backers to bring in more funding? That would be ungrateful and disrespectful. So, in that second update, I acknowledged the excitement of the day and I expressed my appreciation. But I kept the focus on the game and the backers. I focused on what we would do to express our gratitude. In the days prior, I’d contacted about fifteen game developers who had worked on Planescape: Torment, many of whom were former coworkers of mine from Obsidian Entertainment, and they’d graciously agreed to contribute to a Planescape: Torment Developer Retrospective. We’ll give it to all of our backers as well as those of Obsidian’s own Project Eternity. I chose this topic to lead my first Kickstarter update.

This, I felt, was what our backers wanted to hear about. Through Torment, we were promising a game experience reminiscent of a beloved classic and it was passion for this type of game, along with trust in Brian Fargo and our team, that led to their generosity. They didn’t care about the money, they cared about the legacy of Planescape: Torment. What better way to reward them than with commentary on the game by its creators?

Throughout Torment’s Kickstarter, I struggled with this aspect – my very job was, for that point in time – to raise funds. The more I raised, the healthier the budget I’d have to work with, the better game we could create, the happier we could ultimately make our backers. It’s how crowdfunding works, right?

In retrospect, I wonder if I hadn’t done Torment and its backers a disservice. I’ve backed dozens of Kickstarters, and many of them focus on the money raised, at least sometimes. I cringe a little bit when I read an update that emphasizes how much money has come in, how more money should be raised, and how important it is to fund or to reach a certain stretch goal. But I’ve grown to believe this perspective is somewhat particular to me, a bias stemming from my personal experiences. A bias that perhaps limited our potential.

As you may expect, I’ve thought quite a bit about Torment’s 90+K backers. About who these people are and why they pledged. I think there are a variety of motivations, which are by no means mutually exclusive and that these basic motivations apply to most video game Kickstarters. (In a future entry, I may write more about how to serve backers with each of these motivations.)

1. The gamers who want to play the game you’re proposing to create. For us, these included fans of Planescape: Torment who want to see another game created that provides that type of profound narrative RPG experience. Or more generally, fans of CRPGs of that era, which was an underserved niche until recently.
   
   
2. Supporters of your company or team. For us, these were primarily backers of Wasteland 2 who, pleased with that game’s progress, wanted inXile to thrive.
   
   
3. People who are sick of the old publisher-developer model, and all that it entails. They see supporting projects like Torment and companies like inXile as an opportunity to vote for change with their money. These are the people who don’t want to see micro-transactions or DRM or approaches to game design and development that fail to put the gamers first.
   
   
4. People whose gaming interests are underserved. This motivation can be related to #1, but isn’t necessarily. For Torment, besides CRPG fans, these were gamers prefer Mac and Linux as platforms or who speak one of the six non-English languages we announced out the gate that Torment would support (French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish, and Russian).
   
   
5. People who want to be part of something great, who want to make history. People who believe in your story and who want to help you realize your dream.

This last group, at least... they may have wanted to hear about the money. Maybe some of the others, too. They may have wanted me to place more emphasis on the funding, to do everything possible to increase that final tally, and to make Torment as historic an event as possible. But it just wasn’t me.

One of the first things Brian Fargo emphasized to me was how much crowdfunding is about goodwill toward the backers. It’s what I wanted to hear, and it’s part of what brought me to inXile and to Torment. I’m a Lawful Good paladin at heart. At least I strive to be. Even when it’s clearly about the money, I refuse to accept that. I want to live in a world where goodwill is the norm. So I pretend I do and attempt to act accordingly.

This is part of why I love crowdfunding. Prioritizing your supporters is not only the ethical thing to do, it’s the smart thing to do. Crowdfunding allows sincerity and good intentions to be rewarded, at least more so than usual.

But you tell me. If you participate in crowdfunding, why do you do so? What do you want the crowdfunders to emphasize in their communications to you? Does sincerity matter or is that wishful thinking on my part? I’d enjoy hearing your thoughts.

An unexpected journey, huh? It seems like his departure from Torment was already decided upon back on October 6.

 

[Nekot-The-Brave]

I don't know where you pulled all that from, but Kevin Saunders is a professional game designer. He worked for Obsidian and was lead on Mask of the Betrayer. You're talking bollocks when you say he isn't suited for a leadership role, his leadership allowed George Ziets' talents to flourish on MotB, and he was personally recommended to inXile by Chris Avellone.

If it was an unpleasant firing he wouldn't have been allowed to write another Kickstarter update and he certainly wouldn't have given a shout out to Brian Fargo.

Look at my join date. That should indicate just about how much I have experience with these names.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

I guess we're in for a lot of speculation, like with the MCA departure. All I'd add is that in all the places I've worked, most departures came down to either personality clashes or money.

I wish ksaun well, in any event.

 

[Ismaul]

So, it turns out ksaun launched a blog earlier this month

So he's had some free time for a while...


Time to cool off maybe...

 

[Infinitron]

One of the first things Brian Fargo emphasized to me was how much crowdfunding is about goodwill toward the backers. It’s what I wanted to hear, and it’s part of what brought me to inXile and to Torment. I’m a Lawful Good paladin at heart. At least I strive to be. Even when it’s clearly about the money, I refuse to accept that. I want to live in a world where goodwill is the norm. So I pretend I do and attempt to act accordingly.

This paragraph makes me hmmm a little. It sounds like he thinks he might have recently made some sort of mistake.

 

[tarasis]

That blog does make it sound like this has been in the works for a month, impressed they kept it quiet that long, but it really does leave you wondering what the heck is going on.

Pardon my ambiguity. What I meant was "more unexpected news" with only THIS bit of news being this weekend. The previous unexpected news was the New Orleans studio.

Ahh, okay. Thanks for the clarification.