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KickStarter Underworld Ascendant Pre-Prototype Thread

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Of course there is no demonstrable proofs for the chicken littles, they just got started from scratch and that expectation really only highlights naivete.

An unreasonable expectation, unmet, is no less unreasonable.
 

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No update this Friday. Looks like they're moving to bi-weekly updates: https://www.othersideentertainment.com/forum/index.php?topic=786.0

Hey folks!
We are going to move our updates to Monday mornings and bi-weekly.
Why you ask? Well, the team is heads down in actual development and I'm trying to cut out some of the distractions. Where we are in development most subjects we really want to talk about are in flux and we don't want to be disingenuous in our reveals.
Also...who doesn't want to read about Underworld Monday morning when they get into work right?

So, watch your mail boxes Monday morning! -Chris

Not surprising.
 

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Ok..beer fridge is full...I'll just leave this here for now...

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Still struggling to make next goal no one cares about.

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PayPal pledge update...

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Do you follow really Othersides founding accounts? Because i practical do not care about it and i did pledge for UA. And since you are very critical of Otherside, i think that this is really unhealthy behavior. It's kind of obsessive and nearly creepy. I hope this is your only obsessive compulsive behavior, because else ...
I mean i get it, they have not yet produced something that would convince us from their work and your statements about this were correct, but this.. You note everything, do you want to have a Otherside doomsday diary?
 
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Do you follow really Othersides founding accounts? Because i practical do not care about it and i did pledge for UA. And since you are very critical of Otherside, i think that this is really unhealthy behavior. It's kind of obsessive and nearly creepy. I hope this is your only obsessive compulsive behavior, because else ...
I mean i get it, they have not yet produced something that would convince us from their work and your statements about this were correct, but this.. You note everything, do you want to have a Otherside doomsday diary?

I look at the amount once every couple of days or when I remember to look, takes 10 seconds to copy/paste the amount to the text file. I'd hardly call that obsessive.

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Issue #4, June 22nd 2015
Before we get to this week’s update, we’ve got an announcement regarding the Stygian Sentinel. Starting this week the Stygian Sentinel will go to a bi-weekly publishing schedule, and will be released on Mondays instead of Fridays. This change allows us to focus more attention on making the game and our current goal of finishing a pre-alpha build before the end of the year.

This slower release pace for updates will also mean that each issue will be even more chock full of Underworld Ascendant goodness. We hope you understand this change to the schedule, and that you look forward to future issues of the Stygian Sentinel!

So, now onto this week’s update.

Answers From the Abyss #2

This week we’re going to once again address the overwhelming darkness of the Abyss with questions asked by our fans on the forum. What answers will echo up from the depths? Read on!

“Why abandon PnP-inspired RPG systems in favor of perks?” – CyberP

Great question and one we’ve been thinking a lot about as we start to delve into the character progression system.

Clearly there are benefits to both methodologies; a more traditional RPG system in which players have more finite control over skill points and stat advancement allows players to create and fine tune their characters exactly to their liking.

For Underworld Ascendant we want the focus of the game to be on the world and your interactions with it. Anything that might get in the way of this, anything that might put itself between the player and the experience of living in the Underworld, is something we have to seriously consider before including in the game.

So, how does this relates to perks and character progression? Our preference is not to have players spend a lot of time in a system or UI where they are studying stats and points or worrying about whether to increase strength over dexterity. We’d prefer, instead, to have character progression consist of a smaller number of meaningful decisions, such as choosing a new attack or movement ability, rather than numerous numerical tweaks, as allocating skill points every level.

This also will likely mean that many parts of character progression will happen more organically. So, a player who is casting a lot of spells will tend to gain advancement and abilities in spell casting versus a character who becomes more skilled in melee weapons because that is his preferred method of combat. A player who wants their character to use a bow, for instance, is probably going to be using a bow quite often. Our thought is, why make the player actually go through the work of putting “skill points” into bowmanship if it can just happen automagically without interrupting the game experience?

“We know creatures in the ecosystem are going to function within it (i.e food needs, survival, and whatnot). Will this affect NPC's in the factions as well? Can I go hunting with Lizardmen?” – SteveC

Yes, NPCs and factions will be positioned in the ecosystem alongside the flora and fauna. This means that NPCs and members of factions will have needs and desires that hinge on accessibility and conditions of the environment: access to food, protection from predators, warmth, and so forth.

Day-to-day routines of NPCs and factions will also be in the game as much as possible, including those that draw from and/or impact the ecosystem. So, yes, lizardmen will be seen hunting and, depending upon your standing with them, they might even allow you to tag along.

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“Are NPC's/creatures going to have other needs besides food in the ecosystem?” – SteveC


Absolutely. While food may be the strongest need for many creatures, other things will also factor into their behaviors and motivations. For instance, creatures will have a predilection for the kind of environment they want to live in – lava bat want to live in hot areas, preferably with some lava flows. If that environment changes then the creatures will have a desire to migrate to a new location that more suits their needs.

We expect light and darkness to play a real role in creature behaviors as well. To feel safe some creatures or NPCs may be more comfortable in well-lit parts of the Underworld, while others may prefer the darkness in which to hide. Light levels is an atmospheric state which can be readily changed by the player, or even by happenstance, and which will have a big impact on the lives of creatures and NPCs.

“If I trap a group inside their base, and cut them off from all outside food... Will they eventually starve to death? And if they do, can I have their stuff?” - Vanyelxp5

We want to have members of the factions have motivations that align with basic needs, such as the need for food, shelter, warmth, etc. So, the AI for NPCs will have a desire to obtain or keep these things.

What the effect is if they do NOT gain these things is a tricky thing and something still very much in the air. Clearly we want there to be some effect or else the desire will feel hollow and without impact.

Do we want an entire faction dying off because the player killed off their food source? Probably not, that would likely put the player into a hole he wouldn’t be able to get out of and be very frustrating. Our environmental systems, including ecology, will almost certainly have rubber-banding or hard edge case restraints in order to keep the game enjoyable. What those restraints are we just don’t know yet.

So, in your example, will the group you’ve trapped die off from starvation? Probably not. More likely their behavior will radically change to reflect their desperate state. Where once they would not have ventured out at night for fear of predators, now they will hoping to find food. Where before they would not have risked attacking a powerful foe like yourself, now they charge out in a last ditch effort to escape their doom.

And, if you beat them, you can have all their stuff.

“Will there be totally customizable controls?” - andth

At this point we see no reason why our controls wouldn’t be completely customizable. A lot of us here at OtherSide are heavy FPS and MMO players, so we like customizability as much as anyone.

“Are you aiming at a particular minimum hardware spec?” – Sarfrin

Still a little early to make a call on our minimum specs. We are going for a fairly high fidelity experience, but at the same time we will support a range of detail settings to allow play on at least decent PC’s. Not Chromebooks, but a reasonably capable laptop or desktop that has some 3D graphics chops.

T-Shirts Away!
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We’ve just gotten word from the company making our Kickstarter exclusive t-shirts that manufacturing is underway and should be completed by the end of this week. They're mailing out the T-shirts as soon as each batch is finished, and so depending where in the world you live you should be receiving yours sometime over the coming 2-4 weeks. Wear it proudly!

If you ordered the T-shirt during the Kickstarter, or are one of the 50 forum members who won the shirt in our forum contest, make sure you have filled out either the backerkit survey sent out after the Kickstarter was done, or the separate survey we sent out to the contest winners. If you haven’t, you won’t get your shirt until you do, as we don’t know where you live!

Other Stuff
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Last Wednesday, June 17th, OtherSide did another game-play twitch, this time trying to survive in the relentlessly inhospitable world of Don’t Starve. If you missed it, you can check out the full session on Youtube here.

For those of you who expected us to be playing PayDay 2 (as we announced the previous week) fear not! We’ll be playing that excellent game real soon and we hope to have a very special guest join us for an afternoon of larceny, laughs and hijinks. Stay tuned!
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Starting today through June 26th our friends at inXile have a promotion for their The Bard’s Tale IV Kickstarter campaign that might be of particular interest to our Underworld Ascendant followers.

Every backer of The Bard’s Tale IV at the $33 level and above will receive a free copy of Ultima Underworld 1 & 2! This is in addition to all the other great rewards earned for backing the game at this level, including copies of The Bard’s Tale I-III and a digital copy of Bard’s Tale IV!

Remember, the promotion ends on June 26th, so head on over to the Kickstarter to read more details and join us in backing this fantastic looking return to dungeon crawlers of old!

The OtherSide Team


“Why abandon PnP-inspired RPG systems in favor of perks?” – CyberP

For Underworld Ascendant we want the focus of the game to be on the world and your interactions with it. Anything that might get in the way of this, anything that might put itself between the player and the experience of living in the Underworld, is something we have to seriously consider before including in the game.

So, how does this relates to perks and character progression? Our preference is not to have players spend a lot of time in a system or UI where they are studying stats and points or worrying about whether to increase strength over dexterity. We’d prefer, instead, to have character progression consist of a smaller number of meaningful decisions, such as choosing a new attack or movement ability, rather than numerous numerical tweaks, as allocating skill points every level.

This also will likely mean that many parts of character progression will happen more organically. So, a player who is casting a lot of spells will tend to gain advancement and abilities in spell casting versus a character who becomes more skilled in melee weapons because that is his preferred method of combat. A player who wants their character to use a bow, for instance, is probably going to be using a bow quite often. Our thought is, why make the player actually go through the work of putting “skill points” into bowmanship if it can just happen automagically without interrupting the game experience?

Even I'm starting to get a bad feeling about this one...:negative:
 

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OtherSide said:
A player who wants their character to use a bow, for instance, is probably going to be using a bow quite often. Our thought is, why make the player actually go through the work of putting “skill points” into bowmanship if it can just happen automagically without interrupting the game experience?
:hmmm:
Because the player might not have initially decided to play as an archer and this game is supposed to have a fluid class system?

I thought the entire justification for allocating skill points is that it's an abstraction of training in order to make it easy for the characters to gain proficiency in a skill without having to grind.

Both point-buy and train-by-use can be done well; it just seems strange to tout train-by-use as requiring less work on the player's part.

(Technically, it would involve less effort if the skill is one the player already uses a lot of, like they mentioned, but the issue is with branching out to new skills, something which they said would be relatively easy to do)
 
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Hopefully they change their minds, train-by-use reeks of degenerate gameplay

What's wrong with mantras anyway? They do a good job of tying character development with exploration. Perks are serving that concept I guess?
 

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Train-by-use is debatable, but I'm totally okay with the abandonment of stats in favor of perks, they were superfluous cruft in the original games
 

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Maybe they should imitate UnderRail's Oddity system. Then all objectives would be condensed for all classes and exploration would be accordingly rewarded and tied to the playable character's progression.
 

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Do you follow really Othersides founding accounts? Because i practical do not care about it and i did pledge for UA. And since you are very critical of Otherside, i think that this is really unhealthy behavior. It's kind of obsessive and nearly creepy. I hope this is your only obsessive compulsive behavior, because else ...
I mean i get it, they have not yet produced something that would convince us from their work and your statements about this were correct, but this.. You note everything, do you want to have a Otherside doomsday diary?
I look at the amount once every couple of days or when I remember to look, takes 10 seconds to copy/paste the amount to the text file. I'd hardly call that obsessive.
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I have just make a joke with so much exaggeration, that i thought that the sarcasm was obvious. But who has guessed this, it seems that you cannot exaggerate something that far on the Codex that the poe's law is not any more valid. But honestly you are bit dogged about proving Othersides fail.
I appreciate your remarks towards Otherside's usage of Unity, but this table of paypal pledges is not necessary.
 
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Train-by-use is debatable, but I'm totally okay with the abandonment of stats in favor of perks, they were superfluous cruft in the original games
Amazing justification. UUW degenerates into mostly pumping STR, let's scrap stats altogether
 
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Train-by-use is debatable, but I'm totally okay with the abandonment of stats in favor of perks, they were superfluous cruft in the original games

I don't see it as an either/or proposition. Chaosium figured out how to do this years ago with Runequest/BRP/CoC. Why no CRPG developer has ever tried to seriously emulate its mechanics baffles me (and no Bethesda's efforts with pre-Skyrim ES games doesn't quite count).

People should be able to have their stats and organic "get better with use" skills without constantly having to fiddle with "level up" mechanics if they're so worried about it breaking immersion.
 

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Train-by-use is debatable, but I'm totally okay with the abandonment of stats in favor of perks, they were superfluous cruft in the original games
Amazing justification. UUW degenerates into mostly pumping STR, let's scrap stats altogether

Yeah, "don't cut it make it better", I hear you. But with the budget these guys are working with, they have enough work as it is without having to come up with stats systems worth a damn. I don't have confidence in their ability to do that stuff well, their specialty and certainly their passion is in world design and environment interactions and stuff.
 

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I do not mind lack of stats, lack of PnP, lack of dice/RnG, or whatever else people think constitutes an "RPG staple", ie a self-fulfilled prophecy of recurrence resulting in nothing but the same same old, again. And again. Closed boxes and the insufferable joy of repetition.

What i WOULD mind is the removal of a/any system so tied to our characters, so intrinsic to our sense of moving forward (purposefuly not using 'progression') without the implementation of another in its stead. That i would mind.
If they can (perfectly happy to assume it's the case) make it appear "organic" and scrub stats, fine; As long as either the environment, communication mini games, survival mechanisms or combat preparation entail some other system that gives me as much control (or the illusion of) as "stats" did.

I played the best simulator ever, at least according to everyone else but me the world out there. Skyrim. I lasted three to four hours. Systems are necessary. Impactful ones. Everything else comes second for an RPG. Maybe i could fool myself into thinking i made a difference by clicking 'yes' twenty years ago, but today, if i cannot see it made manifest in concrete/subtle ways, i am gone :)
1) Faux conversational dilemmas consisting of a) uber evil, b) overly liberally righteous responses, do not suffice.
2) Faux story branchings resulting in faction x or z initiating a canned script and a fuck all was given, do not suffice either.
3) Just as "living worlds" and "ecologies" will end up meaning fuck all to me as well if i just walk, kill, vendor and engage either in 1) or 2)

Systems lasted for a reason. I hope they know what they're doing, because if the trend continues, i won't be alive for UU4, lol
 

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Look at their goals...then look at their engine.

Then look at newbie programmer first time with engine.

It's a fail state anyway you look at it.

It will end up being some scripted non-sense because there is no way they can deliver their vision on Unity.

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