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[sgc_meltdown]

What a waste.

raw emotion

 

[Kane]

What a waste.

raw emotion

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Enjoy being treated as a state machine

What do you mean?

 

[Roguey]

There should never be a point where we decide "Okay, this is good enough, let's stop trying."

Who are those "we" you keep talking about?

Chill, dude, play some Rapelay like a man.

I double checked and I only used "we" in this sentence. Humanity as a collective, preferably. Mostly just feminists these days.

a sexist game like Torment

Lolwhat?

Oh right. Feminism.

Annah and Grace are a neckbeard fantasy; one wants to die for him and the other wants to devote the rest of her life to finding him again despite neither even knowing him for very long. Ex-Obsidian employee Patrick K Mills has even said that Avellone will readily admit that he was "cribbing from the Harlequin playbook" when it came to writing their characters and romance fiction is very sexist. Makes sense considering Chris was a fat sheltered virgin when he wrote them, what would that kind of person possibly know about writing women aside from what he's seen in other shitty media?

Also shit like this:

 

[SCO]

What do you think i mean? Think about those ass montages of miranda in ME2 - do you think that pandering wasn't premeditated and done with the self-assured smug cynicism that 'this is all they care about, every thing else can be shit, but show a jiggly ass and they'll lap it up, add a few mod tools so they can play out their rape fantasies and BGE awards will rain'

I'm not even against sex or depictions of sex (am against 'romances'), but i'm against being expected to salivate over a pair of CGI boobs by default like in a fucking pavlovian experiment.

 

[Kane]

looks good to me. we need more of that.

SCO, miranda's ass is fanservice. i don't really mind looking at a fine piece of ass while the inane narrator drones on about the boring story.

 

[mondblut]

Humanity as a collective, preferably.

Humanity is pretty content with tits and asses and would rather keep them that way, thank you.

 

[SCO]

As i said, enjoy your shit trite banal games.

 

[Roguey]

Humanity as a collective, preferably.

Humanity is pretty content with tits and asses and would rather keep them that way, thank you.

Your definition of humanity seems to exclude anyone who isn't a heterosexual male but if you say so.

 

[Kane]

As i said, enjoy your shit trite banal games.

What I was trying to say, is that just because there is ass and tits in a game it doesn't automatically make it shite tribe and banal. The reasons games are shit are related to shitty developers coming up with bad gameplay, and shitty developers only caring for the money. It has nothing to do with the fact that men like boobs.

 

[Kane]

Humanity as a collective, preferably.

Humanity is pretty content with tits and asses and would rather keep them that way, thank you.

Your definition of humanity seems to exclude anyone who isn't a heterosexual male but if you say so.

So, lesbians don't like ass and tits?

 

[Roguey]

Humanity as a collective, preferably.

Humanity is pretty content with tits and asses and would rather keep them that way, thank you.

Your definition of humanity seems to exclude anyone who isn't a heterosexual male but if you say so.

So, lesbians don't like ass and tits?

Lesbians and men aren't interchangeable and aren't attracted to the same things, this is most apparent when you compare and contrast lesbian porn intended for men with lesbian porn intended for women. The former is god awful disgusting and objectifying.

 

[Kane]

Lesbians and men aren't interchangeable and aren't attracted to the same things, this is most apparent when you compare and contrast lesbian porn intended for men with lesbian porn intended for women. The former is god awful disgusting and objectifying.

You're lying to yourself; Women and men are damn well interchangable and are attracted by the same things. This is hardcoded in our DNA. You don't even have to go so far as to do something artificial as watching "lesbian porn intended for women", you could simply ask a lesbian. As I said, your dumb hatred makes you blind to reality.

 

[visions]

The latter is just god awful I guess.

 

[SCO]

As i said, enjoy your shit trite banal games.

What I was trying to say, is that just because there is ass and tits in a game it doesn't automatically make it shite tribe and banal.

I believe that game-makers believe that 'male gamers think with their dicks' is a truism, so that they will NEVER make any female characters that doesn't conform to either 'someone you would fuck if you could', 'your grandmother'. Banal enough for me. For male characters, replace 'someone you'd fuck' for side-kick joke-cracker, and grandmother for 'wise-old guy'. Done, ship it.

 

[Kane]

As i said, enjoy your shit trite banal games.

What I was trying to say, is that just because there is ass and tits in a game it doesn't automatically make it shite tribe and banal.

I believe that game-makers believe that 'male gamers think with their dicks' is a truism, so that they will NEVER make any female characters that doesn't conform to either 'someone you would fuck if you could', 'your grandmother'. Banal enough for me.

Yes SCO; that is obvious. Sex sells. I don't mind that as long as the game behind that is good. For example the horribly misogynist Planescape: Torment, conceived by a neckbeared virgin. I say "so what" and continue to play it.

The real point you should bring up here SCO, is that most characters in video games are horribly one dimensional. And that is true. However, there are only very very few people in the industry who are genuine writers, that can actually conceive proper characters. Just look at Bioware and their lot, would you even accept that level of quality in, say, a book set in the Dune universe? No, of course not.
All this only applies for RPGs really, since these are the games were a multidimensional character and the writing would actually matter. Who cares about that in FPS or RTS games? Noone.

 

[mondblut]

Your definition of humanity seems to exclude anyone who isn't a heterosexual male but if you say so.

Being a heterosexual male myself, I concern myself preciously little with the needs of those who aren't. But they are free to develop their own brands of culture and entertainment for themselves, it's not like I give a fuck.

 

[mondblut]

they will NEVER make any female characters that doesn't conform to either 'someone you would fuck if you could'...

We already have to tolerate the useless and annoying presence of females we wouldn't fuck if we could IRL. Why should our entertainment be plagued with those insufferable pests as well?

 

[SCO]

Yes SCO; that is obvious. Sex sells. I don't mind that as long as the game behind that is good. For example the horribly misogynist Planescape: Torment, conceived by a neckbeared virgin. I say "so what" and continue to play it.

So, you agree that the the industry obsession with tits&ass limits the amount of character types they will use?
Btw, the torment example is spot on about Grace and Annah - it's obvious they're only there about for the NO, Grace doesn't even have any reason to be there risking her demon life, leading to much 'shipping' as the kids say (the only other explanation that gamers can think of). But it was at least supported by the theme that the NO attracts natural victims, and the Deionarra subplot convincingly portrayed a sociopath taking advantage of puppy love, that is something.

As for the portraits, i wonder what would your reaction be to all the male ones having prominent dick bulges and maybe a testicle peeking out.

 

[Pelvis Knot]

We already have to tolerate the useless and annoying presence of females we wouldn't fuck if we could IRL. Why should our entertainment be plagued with those insufferable pests as well?

Because every form of human activity must include every minority that ever felt it was discriminated against.
The point of all forms of entertainment is to educate the "white heterosexual male" how to correctly *think* about such groups, and make him aware of all the ways he repressed them, even before his birth.

 

[Kane]

So, you agree that the the industry obsession with tits&ass limits the amount of character types they will use?

No, what limits the amount of character types is shitty developers and publishers only in it for the money. We had good RPG in yonder days where women had big tits and ass and yet they were still fun and not shitty. Because the gameplay was good. That developers produce shitty characters has nothing to do with a tits and ass obsession.

As for the portraits, i wonder what would your reaction be to all the male ones having prominent dick bulges and maybe a testicle peeking out.

I don't care. You have to understand that boobs are more aesthetically pleasing than hairy testicles, though and that's why they are put in. My dick is fucking ugly. This is by the way not some indoctrinated social code maintained by the mysoginist patriarchy. Even the oldest cultures found tits&ass to be so important that they literally worshipped them. Humans like tits. It's that simple.

 

[SCO]

Derp about the secondary sexual characteristics discussion, the point is that every single human(oid) female character except the zombies and the hag are depicted as total sluts that walk around without underwear and with stripped clothing, while the 2 male equivalents that i bet some mongoloid is itching to post (TNO and the angel dude) are like that presumably because it makes sense, to agree with the sprite that shows the scars on TNO and because Trias is a angel and that is how they roll.

As for the shittiness of a game being directly proportional to the representation of characters - i liked VTMB - game is full of T&A - but even there for all the talking female characters i could tell that they were 'envisioned' as T&A first. There is no old female on the game. NONE
(Ok there is one old woman without dialog walking in chinatown and the bum female.)
Which of course limits the kind of stories that the game is willing to play out.

Gameplay has little to do with aesthetics, insofar as plot/characterization does, i agree.

 

[Kane]

Derp about the secondary sexual characteristics discussion, the point is that every single human(oid) female character except the zombies and the hag are depicted as total sluts that walk around without underwear

Hardly true. Just because some games do that, doesn't mean all games do that. In some games it's the complete opposite. I don't think games have a problem with slutty characters generally. Maybe the Koreon ones.

There is no old female on the game.

Have you ever seen old vampires? It's part of the allure of the whole vampire "franchise": Eternal beauty and immortality, at the price of sucking other peoples blood. You can't simply go through games, or any other media/art and shout "THERE'S A BOOB! WOMEN ARE BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY!". T&A is very much part of many of the fantasy world that have been made up over the past 300 years.

 

[SCO]

Agree to disagree that the situation is not endemic to 98% of the games

 

[Kane]

Agree to disagree that the situation is not endemic to 98% of the games and that it limits the products that a developer will try to make to juvenile samey products.

As I said, I a) don't see t&a as prevalent in games as you claim them to be and b) I don't think it's the cause of samey products. Guess we have to agree to disagree at this point, yeah.