KickStarter Vigilantes: neo-noir, turn based tactical RPG

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Ray was the most spread out, he had points in everything. If memory serves, he's now better at bypass and surveillance, and more melee focused.

I always thought that Ray was bad at surveillance because his LARPing habits.
Think of someone whose idea of stake out is eye holes cut through of newspaper and constant self narration.

 

[Eyestabber]

Right, so first question: how do support skill even work? Does only Sam skill actually counts? Do they add up? Guy with the best skill is used? And what about leadership? Does it work to have a leader who ISN'T Sam...?

Cheers Eyestabber. Best skill is used in the vast majority of situations, including the CYOA bits. Only example I can think of is surveillance, which always uses Sam's. The character with the highest leadership is considered the leader of the combat team. Arcadi is likely the best pick for leader/interrogator.

Oukay, but what about bypass? I'm getting the feeling that Bypass + Surveillance are simply mandatory for the main character, correct?

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Everyone in or out strike team needs bypass.

 

[Timeslip]

Oukay, but what about bypass? I'm getting the feeling that Bypass + Surveillance are simply mandatory for the main character, correct?

Surveillance is useful, and you'll gain it by using it, but you can also interrogate for info on districts. Wouldn't really invest many points in it (if any). Bypass is a good one to have, as Taka-Haradin puolipeikko pointed out, to allow your team to reposition a greater distance before combat starts. The formula is 20 for initial tile + 12 per additional tile.

 

[ushas]

IIRC, apart good on everyone on the strike team, it's also useful to let one specialize a bit faster. The highest bypass on the team influences chance to get reposition round (and think also chance to break into cars at the end?).

At the base, if an ally has 50 in Bypass and Surveillance, can send them to steal from enemies. Just did this. Mm, ninja got back home with an assault rifle and a lots of ammo, handy.

This was the case, but now it uses highest available team member skill.

Oh, that's why I've been passing those [Presence] skill checks in dialogues, it's Arcadi? Didn't realized, as it's usually Sam speaking. Though this somehow limits replayability if I may say so.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Oh, that's why I've been passing those [Presence] skill checks in dialogues, it's Arcadi's presence? Didn't realized, as it's usually Sam speaking. Though, this somehow limits replayability if I may say so.

Agreed.
Sam's skills being dominant on CYOA parts could be justified on him being the driving force of the team.

 

[ushas]

Oh, that's why I've been passing those [Presence] skill checks in dialogues, it's Arcadi's presence? Didn't realized, as it's usually Sam speaking. Though, this somehow limits replayability if I may say so.

Agreed.
Sam's skills being dominant on CYOA parts could be justified on him being the driving force of the team.

Ideally, it could be case by case, what makes sense in given situation. But that's not automatizable, unfotunately.

 

[Haba]

Had a few hours to spend with the game, not bad.

Fix dis:

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Oh, that's why I've been passing those [Presence] skill checks in dialogues, it's Arcadi's presence? Didn't realized, as it's usually Sam speaking. Though, this somehow limits replayability if I may say so.

Agreed.
Sam's skills being dominant on CYOA parts could be justified on him being the driving force of the team.

Ideally, it could be case by case, what makes sense in given situation. But that's not automatizable, unfotunately.

I still think that allies stepping up on those situations should be dependent on their personal inclinations or Sam's leadership/presence overcoming their reluctance to do something.

 

[ushas]

I still think that allies stepping up on those situations should be dependent on their personal inclinations or Sam's leadership/presence overcoming their reluctance to do something.

That would be cool, of course. Or relationship? (heh, so one hating Sam botches the work, whoops) However, technically we're talking about adding more variety and one more dimension (one more variable) to dialogues. Perhaps make a wishlist for a potential sequel?

 

[ushas]

So from looking at the numbers, if surgery and gym facilities upgraded all the way up, Edgar can become athletic behemoth destroyer at level 26.

 

[Nortar]

I'm enjoying the game so far.
Looks like it was the perfect release window, while BT4 and Pathfinder are on a patching spree.

Although it would be nice to sort saved games by date and time, not by name.

 

[Timeslip]

So from looking at the numbers, if surgery and gym facilities upgraded all the way up, Edgar can become athletic behemoth destroyer at level 26.

Imagine he'd be an absolute monster.

 

[Timeslip]

I'm enjoying the game so far.
Looks like it was the perfect release window, while BT4 and Pathfinder are on a patching spree.

Although it would be nice to sort saved games by date and time, not by name.

Glad to hear that, Nortar - yeah, release date worked out pretty well. Thought with so many TB games releasing lately, it was risky, but it was either now, or sit on it until March, which would have probably driven me insane.

I will be doing some extra work on Vigilantes, once things have settled down a bit, and will keep it in mind.

 

[Alienman]

Why March?

 

[ushas]

So from looking at the numbers, if surgery and gym facilities upgraded all the way up, Edgar can become athletic behemoth destroyer at level 26.

Imagine he'd be an absolute monster.

Oh my, already feeling bad for doing this to him

 

[santino27]

Why March?

I think because nobody spends money in Jan/Feb after the Christmas spending orgy.

 

[Timeslip]

Why March?

The general opinion is that it's not good to launch too close to Christmas. The level of high profile releases increase, coverage is harder to get, and the frequency of sales events increase. People usually overspend at Christmas, so they may be less inclined to buy a game in January or early February. This is really just theory though. Haven't launched enough games to back this up with figures.

 

[Eyestabber]

I will be doing some extra work on Vigilantes, once things have settled down a bit, and will keep it in mind.

Well then, look into the walls of the playground map, since they are completely bugged and enemies shoot right through them. Mobster Nightclub Racket is also missing textures (for me at least).

And what's the deal with the ambush event? Is it supposed to be winnable? And why does it proc on a sector I'm launching my very first mission? This event really feels like the game giving you the middle finger, TBH.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Glad to hear that, Nortar - yeah, release date worked out pretty well. Thought with so many TB games releasing lately, it was risky, but it was either now, or sit on it until March, which would have probably driven me insane.

Your game is the only recent RPG release that wasn't buggy as fuck.

 

[Timeslip]

Well then, look into the walls of the playground map, since they are completely bugged and enemies shoot right through them. Mobster Nightclub Racket is also missing textures (for me at least).

And what's the deal with the ambush event? Is it supposed to be winnable? And why does it proc on a sector I'm launching my very first mission? This event really feels like the game giving you the middle finger, TBH.

Will do. Just to check, were you in the middle of the wall or an edge of it. LOS checks to full cover also check the tiles a character standing in the cover can strafe to. If it happens again, would you be able to send me a screenshot to give me an idea of the area the problem is with. Same with the nightclub, if I know where the textures are missing, I'll do my best to sort it.

Concerning ambush event: it's beatable, but it depends on the difficulty, how soon you trigger it. You can avoid it by varying your attack pattern. Also possible to assassinate the leader, using lethal force and flee, but you won't get intel.

 

[Timeslip]

Your game is the only recent RPG release that wasn't buggy as fuck.

The state of the game is really due to community support. Around 13,000 hours of playtime were clocked in EA. Wouldn't have been able to catch all that stuff by myself. ushas and Taka-Haradin puolipeikko and a number of others kindly did a lot of testing over multiple versions and really did a huge amount to improve stability. Cheers guys

 

[PhantasmaNL]

Congrats with the release of your game, i hope it does well.

With the insane amount of tactical games releasing now or very soon it will be hard to find the time for a proper playthrough..

 

[RoBoBOBR]

regarding wall shooting:

enemy marked with an arrow shot at my warrior in red aeveral turns in a row from that position, and connected a couple of times.

Also it seems that screenshot is with grain effect even though i switched it off in game.

 

[Risewild]

Timeslip

I seem to have found a bug.

It seems like the game isn't taking into account the bonus -1AP from the Firing Position perk when it comes to make a Overwatch action:

This happens every time I try to Overwatch when the shot cost is reduced by the perk, and I have the exact amount needed to shoot.