What happened to Kalin

[Can't handle the bacon]

My understanding of this crisis:

In the year two thousand and twenty one, the RPGCodex is ruled by the Padishah-Emperor DarkUnderlord I. For many years he has ruled from his secret Admin-only forum over the members of the Adminsraad. They are the admins and mods which rule over various forums and subforums of the Codex, according to the ancient feudal system of government. Two of the most notable admins are Infinitron, ruling from Israel, and Taluntain, whereabouts unknown.

In this time, the most precious substance on the internet are the memes. Memes extend life, memes expand consciousness, memes are vital to sustaining a population of active posters. The C.O.D.E.X. Company is vital to the mining of the memes, and is controlled by the Emperor and the members of the Adminsraad, with the Posters' Ontopoly Guild and Shoutbox as silent partners. Memes are produced by only one known phenomenon in the universe: butthurt. Also known as hurt feelings.

Up until this time, the decline of video games and political drama in the US have been responsible for generating sufficient butthurt. However, increasing insubordination has put meme-mining at risk. Fearful of Kalin, Emperor DarkUnderlord has conspired with Kalin's mortal enemies to destroy him.

A secret report within the Guild: a plot that could threaten meme production has come to our attention. Send a third-stage Guild Dumbfuck to make a thread in Site Feedback and demand details from the Emperor.

The butthurt must flow.

 

[fantadomat]

Random codex drama and scruffy decides to start whining about vaccines.

He needs to follow the script, man!

 

[fantadomat]

Very unpleasant individual.

Only if you read his posts. It is amusing how admins bitch about harassment but nobody did anything when scruffy was harassing people a few years back by constantly editing their posts.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

scruffy was harassing people a few years back by constantly editing their posts.

Crispy apprenticed with Scruffy for the moderator position?

 

[Crispy]

I'm not even mad.

I swear.


























Seriously, I acknowledge DU's points even though he's basically calling me retarded but I can rise above such petty insults. My thoughts on the matter certainly convinced him to ruminate on things, though.

I still don't think he ever addressed the main point I was making regarding what I perceived to be a double standard, but as one of my earlier posts ITT literally illustrated, I remain a bit conflicted on that front.

In the end I'll conclude that Kalin deserved a timeout at the very least, Infinitron could probably benefit from some self-reflection, and that Codex despite all this admittedly silly drama is still worth defending, which (probably resulting in more :cuck: ratings) I will continue to do.

 

[Darth Roxor]

i'm only upset my comic was deleted before i garnered enough brofists

 

[Crispy]

I apologize for that, Roxor.

 

[Darth Roxor]

 

[Rean]

Why is xir here?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

If you can't handle credit card information on the internet, like adults do everyday, I sure hope you've never bought anything from Amazon.com and also aren't on Facebook (Fun Fact™ Even if you aren't on Facebook, Facebook probably knows about you and who all your friends are).

On a related note, despite what some users here apparently believe, we're not some illegal underground website that's going to go out of its way and risk itself if you're doing the wrong thing. Just because we have fairly lax moderation rules compared to some of those Nazi web forums out there doesn't mean we're going to bend over backwards to protect you because you did some dumb shit.

I'm not fucking taking on your Government on your behalf, and at our expense. We're a fucking RPG website. You use the service at your own risk. If you're not comfortable with that risk: click here. And if you're genuinely concerned about what you've posted here because of that, then you really need to reconsider whether you should be posting here.

I really don't see what this has to do with my point that many of us aren't comfortable sharing private information online, and statements like Infinitron's are just going to add to it. Whether he intended it to or not, his statement was a) taken as a threat towards people who financially support the codex b) interpreted as our data will be shared with the mods if we decide to donate. It isn't farfetched to assume a lot of people who have donated were under the impression that the only people who would know of their personal information would be you and perhaps Taluntain.

I brought the issue of donating via cryptoshekels up back in 2018, mostly as I oppose using paypal in all forms but it's still relevant to this scenario.

 

[Bumvelcrow]

Can't we all just be friends?

 

[Storyfag]

My understanding of this crisis:

In the year two thousand and twenty one, the RPGCodex is ruled by the Padishah-Emperor DarkUnderlord I. For many years he has ruled from his secret Admin-only forum over the members of the Adminsraad. They are the admins and mods which rule over various forums and subforums of the Codex, according to the ancient feudal system of government. Two of the most notable admins are Infinitron, ruling from Israel, and Taluntain, whereabouts unknown.

In this time, the most precious substance on the internet are the memes. Memes extend life, memes expand consciousness, memes are vital to sustaining a population of active posters. The C.O.D.E.X. Company is vital to the mining of the memes, and is controlled by the Emperor and the members of the Adminsraad, with the Posters' Ontopoly Guild and Shoutbox as silent partners. Memes are produced by only one known phenomenon in the universe: butthurt. Also known as hurt feelings.

Up until this time, the decline of video games and political drama in the US have been responsible for generating sufficient butthurt. However, increasing insubordination has put meme-mining at risk. Fearful of Kalin, Emperor DarkUnderlord has conspired with Kalin's mortal enemies to destroy him.

A secret report within the Guild: a plot that could threaten meme production has come to our attention. Send a third-stage Guild Dumbfuck to make a thread in Site Feedback and demand details from the Emperor.

The butthurt must flow.

But that would mean the spawning of the Lulzatz-haderach would require Kalin to bed someone. Impossibiru.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

I'm not even mad.

I swear.


























Seriously, I acknowledge DU's points even though he's basically calling me retarded but I can rise above such petty insults. My thoughts on the matter certainly convinced him to ruminate on things, though.

I still don't think he ever addressed the main point I was making regarding what I perceived to be a double standard, but as one of my earlier posts ITT literally illustrated, I remain a bit conflicted on that front.

In the end I'll conclude that Kalin deserved a timeout at the very least, Infinitron could probably benefit from some self-reflection, and that Codex despite all this admittedly silly drama is still worth defending, which (probably resulting in more :cuck: ratings) I will continue to do.

But will you release Jenkem, GGS, gayheart and Maxie (did I forgot someone)? If we are all frenz now.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

That's interesting but doesn't address credit card/payment information that Infinitron mentioned. Who exactly has access to that? I'm not concerned with insane admin doxxing me and showing in front of my doors to kill me, but one rogue admin with credit card info can be a problem. I'm OK with you personally having my info, but I'm concerned about other staff members.

Credit card numbers, expiry, and ccv are never seen by anyone on the Codex. Not even me. They're strictly handled by PayPal. This is actually why we haven't implemented any other merchant solution yet, because most of them, surprise, surprise, let you see credit card details. They'll even conveniently store them for you and create user profiles for repeat purchases!

The only information anyone on the Codex has is the information PayPal shares with its customers. For the most part that's transaction ID, amount, fees, date, paypal email, and can include name and address. Only administrators have access to that info. Not moderators. I generally try to hide the real name and address part but it does come through with the raw data PayPal sends, so technically any admin can access that. This is entirely usual because normal businesses need a name and address to post the thing you bought to them. That's how business works. It's even normal for businesses to keep your credit card details and process them internally, hence the above about other merchant solutions.

Amazon was mentioned earlier. Well pretty much any low-paid Amazon employee in tech support who can pull your customer profile out would have access to that kind of customer data. If they use those details and buy something for themselves, that's called fraud, and that's where the Police get involved. Amazon even snoop through third party sellers data and create competing products.

I know most kids on the internet think their real name and address is a secret piece of information that only the Gods themselves are allowed to see but it's really not. There used to be things called phone books. And the law is written appropriately to reflect that.

I will say that I find the administrations stance (or should I say lack of stance) on user privacy to be very disappointing. Especially in light of the standards of conduct they impose on posters regarding personally identifiable data.

The position that no efforts will be taken at all, or standards applied to those with moderator power, in the interest of user privacy is pretty weak.

Because you're talking about the law. We aren't Amazon. We don't make billions of dollars out of the Codex. Nor millions. Not even hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands. It's a few thousand at best and it covers the running costs, which are a few thousand. When I mentioned lawyers before, every single one of those experiences with lawyers has been expensive. Prohibitively so. Just to engage a law firm over something like this, you're looking at $8k+. If I wanted a law firm to draft up terms and conditions and a privacy policy? Around $5k.

And if we're going down that path, why on Earth would I open up legal avenues for people to sue me? The legal advice literally is, give yourself every legal option you possibly can including giving information or selling it to a third party. Because if you don't, if you restrict it, you have to not only enforce that, but you have to defend it in a court of law. What would you rather have? A court of law say, "oh, so GodAdminXX99 published Timmy's real name? Well the data handling policy says that's fine, case dismissed" or "The data policy says that's a serious breach of the policy, I have no choice but to fine the Codex $10,000". Congratulations, that troll user who goaded an admin and managed to convince a shitty internet lawyer to spend a bit of time and money to lodge a court case just shutdown the Codex. Well done.

Lawyers aren't known for giving advice to their clients that expose their clients to risk. That's the blunt legal position. Oh and again, given above, real names and addresses aren't considered highly confidential private data in the law. Lawyers look at you funny when you talk about this because every business on the planet needs their staff to access customers' real names and address. Otherwise the business doesn't work. There's an argument that you virtually don't have a contract unless someone's signed their real name, with their address, and potentially even date of birth in order to verify that person.

Now ask yourself, how lazy am I, and to what extent do I want to spend time with lawyers dealing with a niche RPG discussion forum that makes me less money in a year than I earn in a week? And, just for the record, it's never the sane users who want to go down this path. It's shit-posters and idiots whose only intent is to cause you pain. How much rope do you want to give them, when that rope is around your neck?

 

[IDtenT]

Whenever lawyers are involved costs spiral out of control.

 

[Kev Inkline]

So who's GodAdminXX99?

 

[Crispy]

So who's GodAdminXX99?

It's probably Kalin.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

So DarkUnderlord Are you willing to give the option of *NUKING* their profiles i.e. outright removal of all the posts/messages on the forum if they so choose? Because it would actually jive with your broader claims.

It's a nice idea but it seriously fucks with the forum when you delete posts. Firstly, users with 10+ years of posting and thousands of posts creates a query that takes a toll on the server. And secondly, any threads that user created would also be deleted, along with all the replies to that thread.

Now imagine Infinitron has a mental breakdown and decides to delete his account and all its posts.

It's not even entirely effective because anyone who quoted that users posts, those quotes will still exist. Making it less than 100% effective.

You may as well be 4chan and auto-delete everything every five minutes.

 

[Outlander]

You're delusional. It's a public website with an open registration, and it's free as air. Open up a shop, come out one day and claim that the air in your shop is privilege. See how many people will fall to their knees and thank you for "letting them breath", and how many will make a cuckoo sign. "Shopping here is a privilege". The same way a shop doesn't exist without customers, this forum doesn't exist without accounts that people are invited and encouraged to register. This is the lifeblood of the forum.

LOL, spoken like a true

Talking about shops, ever heard of 'right of admission'? Customers come and go all the time, the flow is constant especially when you offer a niche product like RPG Codex. And every so often retarded customers walk in demanding 'rights' they're not entitled to and stirring up shit for no good reason, so they get thrown out and business keeps functioning as usual.

Simple as that.

 

[Nutria]

There are also the Farms. They're actually not creepy or weird even if they get painted as such in the media.

This is one of the most bizarre statements I've read in my life. The Farms have to exist for a reason but if you actually like it there's something wrong. It's kinda like menstrual blood. There's a good reason for it existing but it's not really fun for anyone involved.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

So DarkUnderlord Are you willing to give the option of *NUKING* their profiles i.e. outright removal of all the posts/messages on the forum if they so choose? Because it would actually jive with your broader claims.

It's a nice idea but it seriously fucks with the forum when you delete posts. Firstly, users with 10+ years of posting and thousands of posts creates a query that takes a toll on the server. And secondly, any threads that user created would also be deleted, along with all the replies to that thread.

Now imagine Infinitron has a mental breakdown and decides to delete his account and all its posts.

It's not even entirely effective because anyone who quoted that users posts, those quotes will still exist. Making it less than 100% effective.

You may as well be 4chan and auto-delete everything every five minutes.

How about an option to do it serially. No more than a set posts a day i.e. 500 or so.

I think you missed the point. Let's say UserX wants his content deleted. Well, everything he's posted in shoutbox is sitting in the shoutbox archive thread. To give that sort of commitment, someone would have to edit that thread manually and clear out anything he posted. Assume someone wants to do that, you've now got disjointed conversations as a result. Things that might've seemed reasonable in context now make no sense. Potentially other users will want their out of context posts removed.

Now let's say there's a 300 page thread he created a long time ago that's morphed into a thread about whatever. His original post that created that thread no longer relevant. Well that entire thread gets nuked. Because the other option is, keeping the thread, and again you'll see disjointed out of context responses, and even quotes from UserX where other people have quoted him. We'd have to manually delete those too.

EG. Imagine I'd had enough and deleted my posts. Now try reading this thread. There's a point where you need to ask if you're posting on a forum or 4chan.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

If we really want to understand why it's a bad idea, perhaps we should just ask lukaszek

 

[lukaszek]

If we really want to understand why it's a bad idea, perhaps we should just ask lukaszek

all ideas are bad and increase entropy. some are worse than others

 

[Ol' Willy]

If we really want to understand why it's a bad idea, perhaps we should just ask lukaszek

Or that banned guy who jumbled all his posts

 

[Ol' Willy]

Talking about shops, ever heard of 'right of admission'? Customers come and go all the time, the flow is constant especially when you offer a niche product like RPG Codex. And every so often retarded customers walk in demanding 'rights' they're not entitled to and stirring up shit for no good reason, so they get thrown out and business keeps functioning as usual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission