Editorial What Sawyer Likes

[Curious_Tongue]

I like how he mentions liking unique characters then gives examples such as a dwarf wizard or a Elf paladin /facepalm. How about coming up with some original classes instead of the trite old Warrior, Wizard, Rogue, Preist

I like my jack of all trades characters myself.

 

[Aldebaran]

I like how he mentions liking unique characters then gives examples such as a dwarf wizard or a Elf paladin /facepalm. How about coming up with some original classes instead of the trite old Warrior, Wizard, Rogue, Preist

It isn't easy coming up with and communicating a new class for the purposes of a simple example. For instance, "I like the idea of unique characters such as an Ikzt metal resonator, or a Klalu nerve supplicant," is not very valuable until I know what those do and why it is atypical of the noble Ikzt and Klalu people. Picking archetypes, even if they can hardly be described as unique, is a far simpler means of communication to a large group of people. Most people who are watching the video will immediately understand that Dwarves are not usually wizards.

 

[Ninjerk]

Or he is incapable of contextualizing anything outside of D&D (esp. 3E+).

 

[Xor]

Why do so many people on the codex think Sawyer is unreasonable? Everything he said in the video seems like it could lead to a good game.

I used to be ambivalent about Sawyer, but roguey's smug jackassery in the PoE thread has permanently tainted my view of the man.

 

[tuluse]

I like how he mentions liking unique characters then gives examples such as a dwarf wizard or a Elf paladin /facepalm. How about coming up with some original classes instead of the trite old Warrior, Wizard, Rogue, Preist

That's an odd thing to request in the context of D&D.

I mean, there's nothing that would prevent one from making a custom class in 2E that isn't present in 3E.

 

[Hormalakh]

the people ITT who blame Roguey for their inability to form an unbiased, unemotional understanding of JESawyer and his ideals are part of the decline. :thumbsdown:

 

[ERYFKRAD]

the people ITT who blame Roguey for their inability to form an unbiased, unemotional understanding of JESawyer and his ideals are part of the decline. :thumbsdown:

I take it you despise Sawyer and his ideals on a purely merit basis.

 

[RK47]

Starting out with the premise that RPGs are clichéd and D&D full of tropes is pretty tired. The hobby has been around for 40 years. Everything is a "trope" now according to these people. Elves and Dwarves are tropes, by such definition. They've already lost on that front and many others.

As for hating the genre, again, people who have been playing PnP from the late seventies/early eighties show a healthy respect the RPG hobby and don't throw around buzzwords like tropes, cliché, generic!

Three words:
Neverwinter Nights 2

 

[kazgar]

Topic title and content gave me these vibes...

 

[oscar]

that's why everytime somebody breaks from the the mold even if only marginally it becomes immediately notable, like fae in amalur or witcher's nazi elves.

Witcher elves seemed more like Irish nationalists or something. Willing to use force and violence to establish an independent state for themselves. Pretty morally even.

Thalmor from Skyrim seem to fit the bill of Nazi Elves a lot better (High Elf supremacists, selective breeding, domination ambitions) and were one of the few parts of Skyrim's lore that managed to interest me.

 

[Goegoff]

I like how he mentions liking unique characters then gives examples such as a dwarf wizard or a Elf paladin /facepalm. How about coming up with some original classes instead of the trite old Warrior, Wizard, Rogue, Preist

Nope.

He's saying that the 3rd edition removed a lot of arbitrary restrictions of the 2nd, and thus allowed characters like dwarf wizards and elf paladins.

 

[nihil]

Everything he says sounds great. I'm getting very optimistic for P:E.

 

[SuicideBunny]

that's why everytime somebody breaks from the the mold even if only marginally it becomes immediately notable, like fae in amalur or witcher's nazi elves.

Witcher elves seemed more like Irish nationalists or something. Willing to use force and violence to establish an independent state for themselves. Pretty morally even.

you're mixing up the elves proper withe the stupid throwaway squirrels... or more precisely the aen seidhe with the aen elle.

 

[Lancehead]

Thalmor from Skyrim seem to fit the bill of Nazi Elves a lot better (High Elf supremacists, selective breeding, domination ambitions) and were one of the few parts of Skyrim's lore that managed to interest me.

Thalmor are the government of the Aldmeri Dominion. To be precise, that lore applies to Altmer in general and is described in the PGE 1st Ed. So it's not Skyrim's lore, but the game has the decency to respect the TES lore.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I recall reading that the Thalmor were a part of Summerset's government body that only recently (post-Oblivion) acquired full power, enabling them to enforce their Nazi ideology instead of just being generally mean and elf-y to other races. They already did the selective breeding thing since at least Morrowind era, though. I think that if you ask some altmer NPCs about their race they'll smugly tell you that.

 

[Lancehead]

The Empire says the Aldmeri Dominion (Summerset Isles + Valenwood) formed in the Common Era after the second empire got assassinated by the Dark Brotherhood. For Altmer, 'Aldmeri Dominion' is simply the domain of Aldmer, so it goes back to the Merethic Era before their wars with Ysgramor and company. Essentially, the Dominion existed for ages (so did the selective breeding), it's just that the proliferation of men meant they sort of lost power. They took their chance after Oblivion to re-establish themselves as a power.

I like this particular theme in Skyrim, that when the Aldmeri Dominion rises again, Skyrim is one of the nations still standing offering resistance, much like when Ysgramor and company fought the Aldmer back then. Hammerfell is the other nation still offering resistance, which makes sense because all the races of men except the Redguards descend from the Nords.

 

[I_am_Ian]

Dwarf wizards and Elf Paladins? Five paladin and one wizard parties? Has he never played Wizardry 8? It almost sounds like he's describing it.

 

[Excidium]

Dwarf wizards and Elf Paladins? Five paladin and one wizard parties? Has he never played Wizardry 8? It almost sounds like he's describing it.

He's talking about D&D

 

[Minttunator]

It has to be noted that he's wearing a Calexico t-shirt.

 

[set]

Has anyone stopped to think if Roguey is Sawyer? Some of the stuff in this video can be quoted verbatim from Roguey's post history.

 

[Excidium]

Are you that fucking dumb

 

[Harg Harfardarssen]

IDK, I've never seen Roguey and Sawyer posting at the same time. Spooky, yo.

 

[Ninjerk]

Has anyone stopped to think if Roguey is Sawyer? Some of the stuff in this video can be quoted verbatim from Roguey's post history.

OMG A CONSPIRACY

 

[set]

Are you that fucking dumb

I dunno it just seems kinda fishy to me, how else could this happen

 

[Harg Harfardarssen]

Roguey is the most gifted stalker of our generation and Sawyer is her magnum opus. It's not surprising if she he Roguey can go full Face Dancer at will.