Cael
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there was basically no point there even being 'companions'
Don't you realise that the point is so you can romance them?
there was basically no point there even being 'companions'
Don't you realise that the point is so you can romance them?
I too will prize EA if they give me a a dozen millions. If they were able do good action it wouldn't have been rpgs. It would have been like asscreed origins or wolfenstein 2.
The reason DA2 is the biggest culprit MIGHT be the fact that it came out before the others like FO3 and ME2? I am a bit hazy on the timelines, so I might have had that wrong. Therefore, it copped the lion's share of the drop outs and while the same people might hate FO3 or ME2 with equal or greater intensity, DA2 already turned them off Bioware and the poll only asked for the first one that did.
I compared DA:O's choice of characters and DA2's, and was sufficiently disappointed that the very next thing (combat) made me walk away. And then I read about the incredible teleporting waves of attackers and was doubly glad I didn't bother.The reason DA2 is the biggest culprit MIGHT be the fact that it came out before the others like FO3 and ME2? I am a bit hazy on the timelines, so I might have had that wrong. Therefore, it copped the lion's share of the drop outs and while the same people might hate FO3 or ME2 with equal or greater intensity, DA2 already turned them off Bioware and the poll only asked for the first one that did.
DA2 is a year after ME2, and a few years after FO3. (Fallout 3?)
DA2 is kind of a special kind of disappointed that most games never achieve. It hits you in waves. The first big disappointment is probably when you discover you're never leaving that tiny town. Then you discover how bad the combat is. Then you discover you can't equip your group. Then you discover the combat system is worse than you original thought. Then you discover there's like one cave being reused over and over. Then you discover just how crappy this one town is. Then you discover the house dungeons are just like the caves. Then you discover the combat system is just total shit.
DA2 is just a bad game, one that can't do any of the things it seemingly is trying to do or they said they were trying to do. And every boss fight seems like a showcase for how horrible the gameplay is. Think that dragon in the quarry at the end might be one of the worst boss fights I've ever played in a game.
I am curious how badly the game will hold up in 2017/2018,somebody should make a glorious torture replay.The reason DA2 is the biggest culprit MIGHT be the fact that it came out before the others like FO3 and ME2? I am a bit hazy on the timelines, so I might have had that wrong. Therefore, it copped the lion's share of the drop outs and while the same people might hate FO3 or ME2 with equal or greater intensity, DA2 already turned them off Bioware and the poll only asked for the first one that did.
DA2 is a year after ME2, and a few years after FO3. (Fallout 3?)
DA2 is kind of a special kind of disappointed that most games never achieve. It hits you in waves. The first big disappointment is probably when you discover you're never leaving that tiny town. Then you discover how bad the combat is. Then you discover you can't equip your group. Then you discover the combat system is worse than you original thought. Then you discover there's like one cave being reused over and over. Then you discover just how crappy this one town is. Then you discover the house dungeons are just like the caves. Then you discover the combat system is just total shit.
DA2 is just a bad game, one that can't do any of the things it seemingly is trying to do or they said they were trying to do. And every boss fight seems like a showcase for how horrible the gameplay is. Think that dragon in the quarry at the end might be one of the worst boss fights I've ever played in a game.
I am curious how badly the game will hold up in 2017/2018,somebody should make a glorious torture replay.
Are you even aware NWN1 was basically some make your own game software?
dragon age 2 of course was awful truly truly awful
More fool them. The campaign was weak because they were busy making all those tools. But that shouldn't matter because you can play a thousand other campaigns that are far better and made by passionate gamers. That's the whole point of NWN.Are you even aware NWN1 was basically some make your own game software?
Are you even aware most people played it as a game and not a dev toolkit?
Ah, sorry. I misunderstood the thread. After reading the other replies I understand now that I had to answer "after which point their game looked more mainstream than my personal self image allows to enjoy".
Bioware games are especially funny in that way. BG and NWN had terrible gameplay due to doomed attempts to adapt D&D and the writing wasn't that good and they were already pretty mainstream... However they're "cool" to like. Rose tinted nostalgia glasses are at full force there. And when Andromeda came out criticized by mainstream media for the things hardcore RPG fans pretend not to care about while the actual gameplay was the best BioWare had even done - there classic prejudices still worked better than any critical thinking and "edgy" circlejerk perfectly mimiced "mainstream" one. Meh, I say, meh!
More fool them. The campaign was weak because they were busy making all those tools. But that shouldn't matter because you can play a thousand other campaigns that are far better and made by passionate gamers. That's the whole point of NWN.
Because you aren't just paying for the campaign... You are paying for all the other stuff as well. Morrowind only has one campaign and no multiplayer. NWN has endless multiplayer and endless campaigns.More fool them. The campaign was weak because they were busy making all those tools. But that shouldn't matter because you can play a thousand other campaigns that are far better and made by passionate gamers. That's the whole point of NWN.
Why would I care about the reasons for weak campaign? It still meant that when I chose between NWN and, say, Morrowind, NWN was inferior.
Nah there is some good stuff.Even years later anything I've tried to download from NWVault was amateur shit.
That's because they already had the engine built so they could focus on the campaigns. The base game couldn't do that.NWN is only redeemed by its expansions, especially Hordes of the Underdark
Debatable. I thought the original campaign was pretty boring. And that game came later with bigger budget, more modern dev tools and all of NWN to learn from and build upon. Again it is only the expansion that makes it worthwhile. Also the NWN2 editor is weaker than NWN.Having a better devkit didn't stop NWN2 devs from including decent campaign.
In hindsight, I'm grateful that DA 2 had a demo. It was awful enough that I didn't even consider buying the full thing.
Pretty sure the current Bioware is not the same company. The top people are no longer there and EA are just using their name. The list of great companies EA have killed is actually really huge and really hugely depressing.Never really liked Bioware's games. Origin made a whole lot of better games. Bioware felt like they were copying Origin. Now, Origin is a game downloader/store front software for EA, while Bioware is making games. It should've been the other way around. I bet EA thought about this recenlty...after Transdromeda.