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Which is the most relevant rpg since The Witcher 3: Disco Elysium or Divinity: Original Sin 2?

Which is the most relevant rpg since The Witcher 3: Disco Elysium or Divinity: Original Sin 2?

  • Disco Elysium

  • D:OS 2

  • KC - I only play Pathfinder


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BruceVC

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Witcher 3 and Disco arent true RPGs

Witcher 3 is a single player MMO, Disco is an adventure game
In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?

Yes I agree you have to play with an established character and the narrative generally follows the books but you do have choices that have influence on the game so that is an element of RP?
 

ERYFKRAD

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Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag. Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Witcher 3 and Disco arent true RPGs

Witcher 3 is a single player MMO, Disco is an adventure game
In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?

Yes I agree you have to play with an established character and the narrative generally follows the books but you do have choices that have influence on the game so that is an element of RP?
Immaterial character progression, terribly useless itemization, for starters.
 

Tihskael

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Its going to be Starfield and it will put Todd back on the throne again.

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Serus

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Witcher 3 and Disco arent true RPGs

Witcher 3 is a single player MMO, Disco is an adventure game
In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?

Yes I agree you have to play with an established character and the narrative generally follows the books but you do have choices that have influence on the game so that is an element of RP?
Probably because it is an action game mostly? Just guessing, i wouldn't know anyway.

What do "choices" (other than choices on how you develop your characters) have to do with anything? If those were crucial for a computer game to be considered a crpg then most of games well established as CRPGs wouldn't be ones. Most are very linear and choices matter little to none. You (and too many others) bought the C&C stuff too seriously. CRPGs never were (and still aren't) about that. The crpgs that are - are exceptions - not the rule.
 

BruceVC

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Witcher 3 and Disco arent true RPGs

Witcher 3 is a single player MMO, Disco is an adventure game
In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?

Yes I agree you have to play with an established character and the narrative generally follows the books but you do have choices that have influence on the game so that is an element of RP?
Probably because it is an action game mostly? Just guessing, i wouldn't know anyway.

What do "choices" (other than choices on how you develop your characters) have to do with anything? If those were crucial for a computer game to be considered a crpg then most of games well established as CRPGs wouldn't be ones. Most are very linear and choices matter little to none. You (and too many others) bought the C&C stuff too seriously. CRPGs never were (and still aren't) about that. The crpgs that are - are exceptions - not the rule.
You make some pertinent points and I dont disagree with your general sentiment. But I disagree that choices in RPG dont matter, I consider the numerous choices in most RPG I have played as an essential part of what makes it a RPG. And I dont mean choices provided that can change the fundamental narrative because somethings are immutable, for example you have to stop the Wild Hunt in W3

But I mean choices like companion quests and side quests that are equally important to me as the main quest and often I got to decide exactly what I want to do based on how I RP my character or party

So for me the choices I get to make are part of the overall RP experience and the Witcher series has those choices and that matters to me
 

jackofshadows

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In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?
The Witcher 3 is barely an RPG because any combat outcome mostly depends on player's skill, not the character's. Action-heavy, in other words. The other important thing is that the game's role play system disconnected from any C&C stuff, any story events, anything. The only one tiny exception is the axii use in dialogues, otherwise the game just doesn't care what kind of wither are you if combat isn't happening. You just fight stuff and then pick whatever choices you want - that's not how role-play games should work.
 

BruceVC

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In summary why dont you consider W3 to be a RPG ?
The Witcher 3 is barely an RPG because any combat outcome mostly depends on player's skill, not the character's. Action-heavy, in other words. The other important thing is that the game's role play system disconnected from any C&C stuff, any story events, anything. The only one tiny exception is the axii use in dialogues, otherwise the game just doesn't care what kind of wither are you if combat isn't happening. You just fight stuff and then pick whatever choices you want - that's not how role-play games should work.

You make some good points and I didnt think about it like that, I think its because I have a different definition of RP when it comes to PC\Console games

So I looked up what C&C means and I found this informative blog, would you agree with this as it touches on some of what you mention

https://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-is-crpg.html
 

jackofshadows

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So I looked up what C&C means and I found this informative blog, would you agree with this as it touches on some of what you mention

https://crpgaddict.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-is-crpg.html
As it stated, it's basically just a biased list of cRPG elements which are important to this particular bloger (even if he's sorta famous for playing almost every game in the genre). That's fine but to me seeing random encounters point is rather odd, for example (a few of my favorite cRPGs feature none of that). Not to mention that apparantely he tends to assoсiate himself with his created avatars a little too much I'd say. To me it's absolutely unnecessary. And again, C&C in vacuum means little when they disconnected from the core systems. Referring back to Geralt - any choice he make doesn't leave any imprint on himself, the game doesn't even have the most primitive reputation system.
 
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Rieser

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Without a definition of the contextual relevance, it's too much of an open question to even bother answering. I'll just say that it's arguable whether Disco is even an RPG and that D:OS 2 is a reeking turd.

also missclicked the vote, I vote KC.
 

Sandsch

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Is the OP serious or just trolling?
 

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