Blackadder said:
I was going to try to do a block reply to this, but a quote-reply-quote-reply style is going to work better. Don't interpret this as me putting you on the same intellectual level as racofer, though.
Blackadder said:
To be fair, it was bloody hard having any reasonable discussion with the fanboys until they had been cooled off with a firehose and, through constant repetition and rote, made to understand other points of view. It took a long, long time...
I'm going to agree to an extent, though I think that what you're describing was a very vocal and prolific minority who spammed positively about NV with the same intensity as 1Eyedking, skyway, etc did negatively. Those people will still be an annoyance down the road, though probably less so; as you mentioned, that particular group seems to be buoyed by the general positive reception of NV, so once the main topic of discussion around here shifts to something else, they'll probably get less vocal. All that being said, though, they were certainly an annoyance and provided just as much of a barrier to good discussion as the rabid anti-NV crowd.
Blackadder said:
Some of them still misrepresent the points I have made in our earlier disagreements. Seeing as how a certain number of them a) have most of the forum on their side at the moment and b) enjoy the type of RPG NV is in all areas I doubt they even agree with what you have said above. They fully subscribe to the saying 'make hay while the sun shines', and after seeing their previous secret love affairs (Fallout 3, Alpha Protocol, etc) being critically panned by the majority here, thus forcing them to take their opinions off air, they have arisen full force to take bloody revenge...not that they say much that makes sense of course, but they seem to be very content throwing out little one liner posts here and there, then being reticent in actually explaining themselves when called out over them.
That's all very true, and I'm going to go with my "vocal minority" theory again. Morons will always be morons regardless of their opinions. These people whom you're describing see things in the same black and white terms as the skyway apologists, the only difference being in the standards for quality in each group. The reason that I tend to single out the latter group more is because (by my estimation, though I may be mistaken) they seem to be much more visible and prolific; the former group is mostly recent and nameless posters who jump in and jump out fast enough to drop some useless comment, whereas the latter group will infest a thread for extended periods of time, sometimes with drawn-out and poorly conceived arguments (skyway), sometimes with image and one-liner spamming (racofer), and sometimes with just pure stupid (1Eyedking).
Blackadder said:
It is also amusing watching them attempting to slyly add in their real views over Alpha Protocol, saying how good it really is, and usually adding at the end "don't you think? Yeah, it really is as good as Deus Ex, amirite??".
Yeah, this is an annoying tendency. I've only seen a couple of people do it, but trying to praise the game based upon an increase in positive feelings towards the developer is stupid and doesn't really belong in most of the discussions going on. I personally haven't played AP and can't comment on its quality, but in a thread about NV, talking about how AP "wasn't that bad" is stupid.
Blackadder said:
As for the game in question; I am currently waiting for more critical members here to give their full appraisal, and if this should warrant a torrent (it has steam you see. Even on the retail version...), it appears more patches will be needed anyway. If it is indeed a worthy game, I will buy it from a shop and keep it in the wrapper.
It really depends on how well you could stomach the gameplay of FO3. If you were borderline and you primarily didn't like the game because of the dialogue, quest design, etc, then definitely get it. If you found the gameplay entirely intolerable and couldn't play for more than half an hour without uninstalling because of it, you
may want to pass on it, since although NV does massively improve the combat of FO3, they both still share some deficiencies. I'd still give it a try, though, based upon how well it does things like quest design, skill checks, difficulty, and so on.
Blackadder said:
Edit: I assume there is some way of turning off the 'quest compass'? If there isn't, I am not interested. A 3D game based on exploration...with a quest compass. I will never understand that kind of inanity, sorry kids.
Yep, there's a mod that does that. I'm too lazy to look up the link right now, but it should be pretty easy to find on NV Nexus. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that this game isn't designed like Morrowind was when it comes to directions; because of the quest compass, detailed directions usually aren't given. This makes it pretty damn hard to play the game effectively without having map makers for quest locations. However, removing the unexplored area icons is definitely worth doing. It really hurts the feeling of exploration and discovery when you can see exactly where new areas are 300m out.