Time Travel! Yesterday's backup put back.

[Vault Dweller]

VD is a definitely good newsposter. Why he won't do this now?

When I do that my tolerance of stupidity goes way, way down. It kinda hard to care about the site and ignore certain thing. Like I said, if I come back, I'll bring a true reign of terror with me.

Simply let him rest from the moderation, that's all. In the recent month VD was too stressed with this shit...

Stressed with what shit?

... and started banning and dumbfucking for a small deals (not for NSFW pics of course, but for pretty calm posts), so he must rest for some time.

If you think that I was unjust before, pray that I don't come back.

also that wasn't the taste of freedom. that was anarchy.

A true freedom is always anarchy.

 

[Brother None]

self-moderation???

On the internet?

Are you serious?

Anyway, since when are anarchy and a sense of purpose (i.e. bringing back the true heart of role-playing) supposed to mix? I've never seen anarchists combine for any purpose except anarchy.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Ever think of self-moderation???

It worked splendidly yesterday.

Why would anyone think it's a good idea to haev another person have a semi-official round the year job moderating what you post?

Nobody does. Sometimes that's the only choice though.

 

[Nedrah]

that's because you LOOOVE authority. can't get away from your roots it seems

This is nothing but cheap bullshit and you know it.

I don't love authority at all, but you and your fuckbuddies don't seem to know any better than to abuse the freedom we have been granted here to the best of your best abilities (we are still guests, remember?). I hope you guys don't actually buy into that "patriot" and "rebell" crap of yours, yourselves.

It's just so fucking great how you demand everyone put up with your crap, but at the same time disrespect anyone who opposes your crapification of this site.

 

[obediah]

It didn't really hit me until the forums were taken over. We have a number of people who are here exclusively for the lulz, for pulling shit that would have gotten them banned anywhere else. Should we be really surprised at the yesterday's events?

I had a similiar epiphany this morning. You threw me off by only going after the lulz that affronted your sense of decency.

When I started lurking (and later posting), there was plenty of vulgarity and lulz but the community was centered around rpgs. Everyone posting curse filled rants, evil manifestos, ladyboy porn, and death threats was here for rpgs and had earned their RPG chops in at least a few serious discussions.

At some point this changed for the worse. I don't think it can be tied to one point (and it's likely I myself am part of the slide). Two things stand out to me as key steps in the decline:

1) KingComrade - As far as I know he was the first person accepted into the community without much to say about rpgs. His ratio is around 11500 posts for the lulz and 16 for rpg discussion. The only rpg assertion I can remember him making is that FO1 > FO2 for all the usual reasons.

2) Oblivion - This is what really broke our back, and brought in hundreds of accounts without a damn thing to say about rpgs. Our complaints about Oblivion were so damn abundant and entertaining, that we became a lulz magnet.

I've been slowly coming to this conclusion the past few months just by looking at post counts. I get in my share of off-topic threads, but I generally remember posters by what they post on rpgs. Lately, I've been seeing more and more posts from accounts I don't recognize with post counts in the hundreds or even thousands. People that are just clogging the rpgcodex with lulz.

Obediah even compared my "reign" to Naked Lunch's hijacking of the site, claiming that I did the same thing: took the site over and changed it to reflect my ways. What would happened when I start banning people for less visible stupidity?

Hey, I think my recognition of similarity was quite astute. I didn't mean to suggest that they were the same beyond using admin powers to redirect the community though. The methodology and goals were vastly different.

Anyway, that's why I'm out. I don't want to enforce anything without the overall consent. If most people still believe that banning dumb shits is wrong and that the lulz aspect of the forums must be preserved at all costs.

You still don't completely get it. The lulz aspect of the forum must be preserved at all costs, it has been a core part of the codex since I started visiting. The problem is balance. Too many people are here just for the lulz. And you have to go after all of them, not just the ones that offend you.

 

[Jora]

Dagorkan:

That goes without saying, but evidently there just are people who need moderation and the rope that they're supposed to use to hang themselves is loose.

 

[dagorkan]

What I found.. interesting.. was how so many people, dozens and dozens all with different opinions were united yesterday in dumbfuckery. Whether pro-VD, anti-VD or pro-whatever you had a million people jumping in and adding to the drama. Some fucking morons think they're better than the others because they are 'defending' the site or whatever but really they're just the same - some love to hate the authority, some love to hate those who hate authority, they're all a bunch of wankers who if I was admin would all be banned (yes, even if it was 50% or 90% of accounts) from this forum and forced to get a life.

 

[Mantiis]

Let me see if I have this straight:

1) A bunch of Cockmunchers post things regarding people that were murdered in a manner that was less than tastful on a RPG Forum.
2) Said Cockmunchers were told to stop doing so.
3) Post were make showing someone freezing shit, stabbing someone with it and then fucking the corpse.
4) People were banned.
5) Wankers from a sister site decide they don't like what's going on and decide that a 'revolution' is in order.
6) Everything turns to shit.
7) Vault Dweller is to blame. WTF?

The events of the last day or two has tarnished this site so much more than any banning that has ever occured on any forums that I have visited and yes that includes the TES forums. How on earth can this site have any credibility when things like this happen? When people think its awesome fun talking degrading people being murdered for no reason apart from the fact that they exist? What the hell is going on here?

"Oh noes Mantiis where do we draw the line on what is acceptable?!" FUCK YOU! Any resonably well adjusted person knows where the fucking line is and if you don't thats what mods + warnings are for. This isnt about censorship anyway, its about balding men in their thirties (or kiddies) that require some attention so they come here and exploit the liberal nature of the forums. They intentionally post shit that will inflame because THEY KNOW THEY WILL GET A RESPONSE. Its called trolling for fucks sake and it happens EVERYWHERE except in those other places there is discipline.

VD get over your ego and realise that what happened isn't because people don't thing you are 'cool' anymore its because you were defending your job/actions. When you defend your actions it allows response - newsflash a mod does not need to answer to the people they are banning and especially not their friends that can still post. You took a poll for god's sake! Who the fuck asks the kids in the class if they are doing a good job? When Calis tells you that you suck at being a mod believe him otherwise do your damn job and ignore the cockmunchers as they are the vocal minorty I can assure you. You 'stepping down' just validates their arguments and proves that one cockmuncher: spacemoose is more important than this site as a whole. This is completely and utterly rediculous.

Summary: This site is about roleplaying games - I come here for news and reviews and discussion of rpgs. How on earth can this site now try and get interviews with gaming studios when stuff like this happens here. Wake up.

 

[SlyDrak]

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[Stauff]

By the way.. I was expecting a Witcher review from VD. While it was only me who cared to register here whole lot of my friends simple read Codex reviews without reading forum much and they like them and even more they mostly agree with them. I even translated VD's Gothic 3 review into Russian for some of my friends to read..

So.. VD we need Witcher's review!! There are still people who care for RPG's here, you know..

 

[SlyDrak]

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[trais]

Well...
I was supporting more freedom on The Codex because that was what attracted me here (mostly to lurk, but anyway) in the first place. Still, yesterday's takeover was an eye-opener for me.

And since, as Stauff and Elwro noticed, RPGCodex gets more positive recognition from the "mainstream" devs, maybe it's indeed good time for some wind of change.

 

[dagorkan]

Why would anyone think it's a good idea to haev another person have a semi-official round the year job moderating what you post?

Nobody does. Sometimes that's the only choice though.

What I'm saying is that arguing over the moderation, "is there too much?", "is there not enough?" distracts from the real issue that if a small number of people made a small effort there would hardly be a need for full-time admins at all. Those people are too selfish to post here, however nice or 'funny' you think they are. The arguments/'discussions' about moderation have become a major source of drama and dumbfuckery and are by far the biggest annoyance here at the moment.

 

[spacemoose]

Let me see if I have this straight:
3) Post were make showing someone freezing shit, stabbing someone with it and then fucking the corpse.

a modern classic you might say.

people like mantiis will turn this place into another ESF eventually.

 

[MetalCraze]

Stressed with what shit?

with moderation of these forums, obviously.

If you think that I was unjust before, pray that I don't come back.

you simply need some time to cool down.

 

[Solohk]

Stuff +
Summary: This site is about roleplaying games - I come here for news and reviews and discussion of rpgs. How on earth can this site now try and get interviews with gaming studios when stuff like this happens here. Wake up.

I've got to agree 100% with what Mantiis posted above. I've been a long time lurker to this site, checking it nearly every day for much longer than I've been registered. I always liked the harshness of the forums, but the real draw was the fantastic RPG discussions, non-bullshit articles, and developers posting without much of the PR bs they've got to do everywhere else.

While the harshness gave the site a certain flavor not found elsewhere, it has completely taken over. How can this site be taken seriously when its not about RPGs, but about seeing how much porn you can post in a thread or abuse the "freedom" of this site by pushing the envelope to absurd levels?

It's time to wake up and purge this absurd shit from the forums.

 

[Naked Ninja]

Nice one trying to play the Codex-ESF hatred card Spacemoose, not transparent/cheap at all.

I'm with Mantiis. People need to get a grip.

 

[dagorkan]

You'll never be an admin anyway, so shut the fuck up.

I don't want to be a fucking admin you fucking retard. Did you read my post? I don't care if you did or not but maybe you should so you can be honest with yourself and then take an IQ test and realize you should limit yourself to activities you're sure you're mentally capable of in future. Because arguing with me obviously ain't one of them.

 

[abstract]

Banning/dumbfucking people who say things you disagree with/find distasteful is not the way to go.

 

[TheLostOne]

What I found.. interesting.. was how so many people, dozens and dozens all with different opinions were united yesterday in dumbfuckery. Whether pro-VD, anti-VD or pro-whatever you had a million people jumping in and adding to the drama. Some fucking morons think they're better than the others because they are 'defending' the site or whatever but really they're just the same - some love to hate the authority, some love to hate those who hate authority, they're all a bunch of wankers who if I was admin would all be banned (yes, even if it was 50% or 90% of accounts) from this forum and forced to get a life.

Is it really that suprising?

While some posters will post stupid lulzy shit in just about every thread, most people will not contribute unless they have something to add or are personally concerned with the subject matter. So posts about games, art, politics, and to a lesser extent news tend to stay relatively on topic with a few random derailments from the regular spammers. Most people that don't know/care much about the topic or who don't have anything to add just won't post.

Now a drama thread about this site? That's another story. Every fucking person on this site reading these threads cares to some extent about the site. Guess what? Every fucking one has an opinion, and when some genius in charge decides to make a vote thread putting the fate of this site in the posters hands every fucking one of them is going to comment, often emotionally.

VD, I like you, and you seem pretty sharp despite being a bit bull-headed at times, but putting that thread in GD was a mistake. Since when do the masses know what's good for them much less this site?

Anyway, what happened happened so time to get past it. It seems to have had a sobering effect on everyone, even those who were the anarchists of yesterday. Who knows how long that will last.

Edit:

VD get over your ego and realise that what happened isn't because people don't thing you are 'cool' anymore its because you were defending your job/actions. When you defend your actions it allows response - newsflash a mod does not need to answer to the people they are banning and especially not their friends that can still post. You took a poll for god's sake! Who the fuck asks the kids in the class if they are doing a good job? When Calis tells you that you suck at being a mod believe him otherwise do your damn job and ignore the cockmunchers as they are the vocal minorty I can assure you. You 'stepping down' just validates their arguments and proves that one cockmuncher: spacemoose is more important than this site as a whole. This is completely and utterly rediculous.

Fucking exactly.

 

[spacemoose]

Nice one trying to play the Codex-ESF hatred card Spacemoose, not transparent/cheap at all.

I'm with Mantiis. People need to get a grip.

what card? ESF is pretty much the definition of overmoderated shit forum, which is what mantiis is so eloquently proposing

edit:
sheek, your "oppose whatever view is currently gaining ground" schtick is fucking OLD

 

[Rulion]

Obediah, that was a really great post. You pretty much summed up everything I wanted to say. I will add, however, that I'm going to be extremely sad to see VD go even if only for a short while. Just look at the news section and imagine what this place would be like without him. And considering that we're getting a little more attention now due to the Witcher, I think it's a horrible time to do this.

I love lulz. That's one of the main reasons I come here. But I like the fact that it mixes in with RPG discussions. Otherwise I'd be posting in a non-gaming site with comedy, and those can be found anywhere on the internet.

What makes this place so special are the characters and their way of expressing themselves. I can expect to find Major Blackhart's posts filled with threats of dismemberment and rape. I can expect to see VD's witty, one-liners. I can expect not to agree with a single word Sarvis ever says. I can expect to find KC starting a funny and probably racist thread in GD. I can expect Jasede to make naive posts that are extremely well-written but reek of furfag. I can expect to find Shag's posts to be the most level-headed ones here. That's what makes this place so great - the fact that everyone has their own distinctive style and opinions that can be conveyed without the worry of moderation.

That being said, banning and dumbfucking used to be reserved for the lowest of the low. I think it should remain that way - and for the most part, it has. Does someone post a NSFW that's hidden behind a link? Fair game. Did they post one in an image tag? Ban them for a week, and if they do it again, ban them permanently. I haven't been keeping up with the actions that have been making VD a Nazi (Christ, look at my join date and post count. I barely keep up with much of anything), but trying to claim that posting NSFW pictures in an image tag is freedom is retarded. It's pointless, detracts from this forum, and actually encourages me not to check this place unless I'm in the privacy of my own home.

People are saying VD should come back. I agree. People are saying he should lay off the modding, but keep with the news posts - I disagree, to an extent. Ban the dumbasses that post NSFW photos that aren't behind a link. Dumbfuck those that repeatedly make stupid statements in multiple threads. Leave everyone else alone. That's the Codex.

 

[Nedrah]

Dakorgan, please take a step back and be honest to yourself - you're not doing any better than the rest of us, you're not adding anything of any value to anyone and all you do is sit at the sideline and scream at everyone how much they fail. Man, it sure is a shame you're not an admin so you could ban the 50-90% of members that bother you.
Or you could, you know, just not read the threads concerning the issue if they are so painfull to you.


Why don't you take your almost 2k posts (ed: on this account alone, obviously) since june 2006 and go "get a life".

 

[SuicideBunny]

on a slightly related note, since the armageddon, the forum seems to have abandoned marking topics that are not popular as read for me.
the forum loves me no more...

 

[Cassidy]

VD is a definitely good newsposter. Why he won't do this now?

When I do that my tolerance of stupidity goes way, way down. It kinda hard to care about the site and ignore certain thing. Like I said, if I come back, I'll bring a true reign of terror with me.

VD, this kind of threatening and somewhat arrogant comment you make when you are stressed(if it's serious, I hope it's not) which, when directed to certain types of users is interpreted by then as something like "Hey dude! I'm the admin! You suck and I'll ban you if you do anything about it!" is what puts me away from ever supporting you to become an admin again, and it also contributed for the "hostility" to escalate. Threatening users as a whole won't help to keep things nice and will stir up whatever "anti-VD" crowd which is still around. I would support this "anti-VD crowd", if they didn't pulled that "stunt" and had good intentions rather than doing it for the LULZ(which always was completely impossible).

How so many people, dozens and dozens all with different opinions were united yesterday in dumbfuckery. Whether pro-VD, anti-VD or pro-whatever you had a million people jumping in and adding to the drama. Some fucking morons think they're better than the others because they are 'defending' the site or whatever but really they're just the same

There is no need for advocates

Heh, old members leaving and being replaced by lulz like cassidy is what's killing this place.

And funnily, I didn't flood Retardo with BS when the doors there were open while some older members did. Get over this personal "oldskool elite" whatever it was because I'm tired of this silly targeting . I find your focus on me disturbing

people like mantiis will turn this place into another ESF eventually.

Heavy moderation is the reason I left a certain forum about a certain game, because any criticism posted about it was heavily scorned and people who told the truth instead of kissing admin asses there were always "persecuted" in an eternal E-Drama. No matter what, the more enforcement exists, more it's easy for those in power to abuse of it. And thought it's just a virtual space, it doesn't mean the social relations of reality and consequences of being having power in their hands won't mirror here as well.

Banning/dumbfucking people who say things you disagree with/find distasteful is not the way to go.

This is what Codex will be about if moderation becomes "nazi", it will also make Codex "spirit" "die". I don't it was supposed to be a heavily moderated forum when it was founded.