CKII is released.

[RedScum]

 

[Brinko]

Holy Orders for each religion? Fuck it sold

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Holy Orders for each religion? Fuck it sold

You can be fairly sure that each pagan religion nets one Holy Order... But they're all for Norse.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Spoiler

After Second Patch as usual.

 

[Malakal]

Curia looks really weak and where is mah investiture rework. Unless they mean to talk about in some other dev diary.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Who cares, they're adding Jews!

 

[JarlFrank]

Investiturstreit or bust

 

[Brinko]

Holy Orders for each religion? Fuck it sold

You can be fairly sure that each pagan religion nets one Holy Order... But they're all for Norse.

Damn no muslim holy orders?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I'd eat my hat if Muslims don't get Holy Orders. I'm strictly talking about pagans, where the situation is basically that 90% of the content is for Norse.

 

[Average Manatee]

Nice summary here: http://ckiiwiki.com/Sons_of_Abraham

I like this. Finally an expansion that seems to focus on expanding what CK2 is supposed to be about. I'm actually surprised by how much looks to be free patch content, it looks to be quite a substantial portion.

 

[Kattze]

Where's the love for Jewniggers, Paradox?

 

[Kattze]

Also, Mutazili school.
Time to smite down those Ashari sandniggers and usher in a technocaliphate by the year 2000.

 

[Grinolf]

So Paradox finally prove that it has balls. There are even a chance, that they add them in EU4 also.

But still there is no hint about conflicts between Popes and Kings/Emperors. Where is fight for investiture with wars and excommunications?
Also Ibadi presented as heresy and not as separate branch of Islam. Well, they always could change it later like in Miaphysitism case, that also was presented as heresy in first versions of the game.

 

[Commissar Draco]

But Comrade Grindolf Miaphysitism is a heresy. Besides Paradox being too lazy to not put Catholic Apostolic Church before the Great Schizm into Old Gods was a big . Popes in IX century had fraction of Power the Curia amassed since XI century.

 

[Grinolf]

But Comrade Grindolf Miaphysitism is a heresy. Besides Paradox being too lazy to not put Catholic Apostolic Church before the Great Schizm into Old Gods was a big . Popes in IX century had fraction of Power the Curia amassed since XI century.

Question about what is heresy is a tricky one. Since every branch of religion treat every other branches as deflection from one true teaching. So each current religion could be considered as heresy by everyone who are not member of that religion.
So the only distinction between religion and heresy, that I could think of, is the ability to not be wiped out and be strong enough to make members of other branches of your religion accept your existence, even partially.
Problem with Ibadi, that CK2 currently treat them as Sunni heretics. And looks like SoA continue do the same despite focus on Abrahamic religions. In same time EU4 treat them as Shia. Not even Shia heresy. That is total mess in my opinion, that could be solved by giving them separate religion, like in case of Miaphysitism. Funny thing, that EU4 continue to treat Miaphysitism as Ortodox, not even Ortodox heresy, despite changes in CK2.

Question about Catholic religion in 867 is also tricky. Schism process only ended in 1054, but started with coronation of Charlemange. So distinction between Catholic and Ortodox in The Old Gods isn't that wrong. But CK2 doing a very poor job at describing a rise of Pope's power from IX to XI century, as it steady decline since XII one.

 

[Kattze]

I think the CK1 portraits would be appropriate for the Jews.

 

[Turisas]

I wonder if we'll get random events of jews poisoning the wells.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I wonder if we'll get random events of jews poisoning the wells.

But that's what Jewish assassins do. It doesn't need pointing out.

 

[Turisas]

But that's what Jewish assassins do. It doesn't need pointing out.

But will they then charge extra if the target was some local lord and they end up killing half the town?

Heh, stupid question - of course they will.

 

[Brzęczyszczykiewicz]

 

[Fens]

^ oh boy, flags will burn and swedish goods be embargoed

 

[Whisky]

I'm more surprised that they haven't gotten threats from Mohammed appearing in some family trees in CK2. Granted, there's no face (though I could have sworn in earlier versions he had a random face), but still, he doesn't have 100 in all stats.

 

[RK47]

nice box.

 

[Trash]

I'm more surprised that they haven't gotten threats from Mohammed appearing in some family trees in CK2. Granted, there's no face (though I could have sworn in earlier versions he had a random face), but still, he doesn't have 100 in all stats.

In the first versions he had a face. They edited it out.

 

[Turisas]

I'm more surprised that they haven't gotten threats from Mohammed appearing in some family trees in CK2. Granted, there's no face (though I could have sworn in earlier versions he had a random face), but still, he doesn't have 100 in all stats.

In the first versions he had a face. They edited it out.

What a bunch of pussies.