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Places your bets: Fallout 4 Metascore

What will be the Fallout 4 Metascore range?


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Darth Roxor

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Yet at the end of that review........ "It may sound like I hate Fallout 4. I do not. There is fun to be had here!"

It's like all the reviewers are afraid for their lives, like Todd will hire assassins or somethings..... He probably would at that.
 

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Yet at the end of that review........ "It may sound like I hate Fallout 4. I do not. There is fun to be had here!"

It's like all the reviewers are afraid for their lives, like Todd will hire assassins or somethings..... He probably would at that.

It's funny how Fallout 4 is suddenly "the whole being greater than the sum of its parts," while the same is never true of Fallout 1 & 2.
 

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I think that bethsoft fallouts formula is intrinsically fun on some level, which is why so many people cant bring themselves to hate it, despite it being worse than whatever came before.
 

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First person hiking games with killing are intrinsically fun, no matter how badly you fuck it up.
 

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It's like all the reviewers are afraid for their lives, like Todd will hire assassins or somethings..... He probably would at that.

That's probably what they do. They just ban reviewers that step out of the line and no more review copies for j00.
 

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They are intrinsically fun, and much more so to people who never played the originals. Bethesda already made FO3 with newcomers in mind, this time they tuned it up to 11. The protagonist is just as clueless about everything as the players from the Skyrim/Open world horde that bought a "Fallout" for the first time in their lives. For people who like Skyrim, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Mass Effect a lot, it's pretty easy to see why they'd love it.
Journalists are not so different. They don't even know who made the original games, and Oblivion was probably their first open world RPG. The vast majority would probably pick KotOR or Skyrim as their best RPG of all time.
Only FNV made things more difficult for Bethesda to get away with everything. Suddenly these people were exposed to good writing, real C&C, world reactivity and good quest design in a game that's branded and plays just like the shit they used to consider gold. That's it didn't, and will not get a 90+ Metascore. It's still very high compared to what it should get, but it's a testament to how some people are starting to see through the dumbed down BS they keep pulling with every new game.
 

Volrath

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They are intrinsically fun, and much more so to people who never played the originals. Bethesda already made FO3 with newcomers in mind, this time they tuned it up to 11. The protagonist is just as clueless about everything as the players from the Skyrim/Open world horde that bought a "Fallout" for the first time in their lives. For people who like Skyrim, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Mass Effect a lot, it's pretty easy to see why they'd love it.
Journalists are not so different. They don't even know who made the original games, and Oblivion was probably their first open world RPG. The vast majority would probably pick KotOR or Skyrim as their best RPG of all time.
Only FNV made things more difficult for Bethesda to get away with everything. Suddenly these people were exposed to good writing, real C&C, world reactivity and good quest design in a game that's branded and plays just like the shit they used to consider gold. That's it didn't, and will not get a 90+ Metascore. It's still very high compared to what it should get, but it's a testament to how some people are starting to see through the dumbed down BS they keep pulling with every new game.
Yet they continue to sell more copies with each concurrent iteration... Be it TES or Falllout...
 

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It's kind of like when your dealer slings some bad meth. What are you going to do, take your business elsewhere? He's the only dealer you know. If not him, then it's the gang behind him that controls your block or the city.
 

Fairfax

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They are intrinsically fun, and much more so to people who never played the originals. Bethesda already made FO3 with newcomers in mind, this time they tuned it up to 11. The protagonist is just as clueless about everything as the players from the Skyrim/Open world horde that bought a "Fallout" for the first time in their lives. For people who like Skyrim, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Mass Effect a lot, it's pretty easy to see why they'd love it.
Journalists are not so different. They don't even know who made the original games, and Oblivion was probably their first open world RPG. The vast majority would probably pick KotOR or Skyrim as their best RPG of all time.
Only FNV made things more difficult for Bethesda to get away with everything. Suddenly these people were exposed to good writing, real C&C, world reactivity and good quest design in a game that's branded and plays just like the shit they used to consider gold. That's it didn't, and will not get a 90+ Metascore. It's still very high compared to what it should get, but it's a testament to how some people are starting to see through the dumbed down BS they keep pulling with every new game.
Yet they continue to sell more copies with each concurrent iteration... Be it TES or Falllout...
For now. People have to see it fro themselves, it's how it always happens. The thing is that criticism towards Bethesda games increases over time. Even Skyrim is no longer the unanimous masterpiece among casuals, and that's because once the initial enthusiasm and immersion is gone, people can see through the cracks.
This is Bethesda's (the actual studio, not the publisher) lowest rated game in 20 years, and only because Daggerfall doesn't have enough reviews. Could be their lowest average ever. That's a remarkable decline coming from Skyrim's 92-96 Metascore.

They also have much better competition nowadays, so people know better. There are many open world games that do most things better than Bethesda, and there are many fans saying they liked TW3 a lot more than FO4, for example. By the time TES VI comes out, it'll be even harder.
 

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It's satisfying to think (whether it's true or not) that part of the reason for the backlash is New Vegas showing people how to make an open world 3D Fallout game properly.

Even Fallout 3 had a lot more freedom of playstyle and alternate quest solutions than 4 though. Perhaps they just did the dumbing down too quickly this time and people were more jarred by it.
 

Fairfax

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It's not just FNV, though. Even if you don't have other games doing exactly the same Bethesda thing, you have a lot of open world -and even hub-based games- that offer people the same dose they seek.
This isn't 2008 anymore, and the people who played FO3, for one reason or another, definitely have other options to get their fix nowadays. The gunplay is better in other games, the graphics and writing are better anywhere, and their reactivity/C&C have always been a poorly designed illusion. Basically the Fallout setting is the only thing they had going for it. It's a fantastic setting, even when they shit all over the lore, tone and humor, but they knew they needed more than that.

Bethesda has a lot of money and does a ton of marketing research. They knew Fallout 3 Reloaded wouldn't have been enough to boost sales and get 90+ Metascore (they didn't, but they always try, of course). I have no doubt they found out through research that a lot of FO3/TES players are also playing these first-person crafting/survival games nowadays, so they added that as a big part of the game (it's not actually important in the game, but it keeps these people hooked).
FO3 sold 5 million copies at launch. Probably another couple of million since, but FO4 is going to sell the 12 they shipped in the near future. That's a shitload of newcomers, most of them from Skyrim. As far as they're concerned, Fallout 4 is a retrofuturist post-apocalyptic Skyrim that plays like Far Cry and has lots of crafting and building. It's easy to see why the vast majority will enjoy it, but Bethesda is catering to a lot of very different types of player, and many of them know better, many more than in 2008. This is why Fallout 4 is the most criticized Bethesda game already, and it'll only get worse over time.

Is it enough to be optimistic? As far as Bethesda goes, not really. If this was some annual franchise, people would just skip the bad ones by Bethesda and get the spin-off by another company, like people do with Treyarch and Call of Duty. But their games take 3-4 years and bethestards get other casuals hyped up, so that won't change. The bright side is that the people who want actual RPG mechanics and better writing, C&C, etc are in the millions, and with Bethesda controlling a huge market share, the others will try to succeed in these areas in order to grab the rest.
 
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Why did this end up with so few reviews? Usually for AAA we see 80+
 

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Yet they continue to sell more copies with each concurrent iteration... Be it TES or Falllout...

Skyrim was actually pretty good for what it is. From a production stand point it had a lot of content.
Fallout 4 is a hollow shell and people are starting to figure it out.

If bethesda keeps dropping turds like this I think their fallout franchise is gonna crap out. I think most people were expecting a game better than Skyrim and got something worse then Fallout 3.
 

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