I try Gothic,and it is really not my type of game

[pazzpazz]

First,I know it is a classic,and I know a lot of people like it,I don't want to talk shit to people's favorite game,but I just feel it is not a good game for me(not bad,just not good)

The combat is awful:
At first when I realize how the combat work ,I really think it is interesting,it feel like a clumsy dark soul.Then I finally realize the importance of level and attribute.It is almost impossible to fight a enemy "higher level" than you. As a RPG , you master the combat system not by full understand the game mechanism then develop a good strategy or build, but by grinding and be patient,that doesn't sound a selling point to me

the magic system is ok,the range combat is boring and the melee combat make my finger hurt(why you always need to press two key ?)

The pace of the game is too slow:
The map is not big,but the character's movement speed is really really slow.And the speed of opening the map,the speed of climb a ladder!!!!
feel like you need to spend 3 hour to enjoy 1 hour of content

And the other thing like story,lore,character,quest really didn't surprise me,consider this game publish in 2001 even earlier than morriwind and NW1 make it really a good game,but feel like it is not my cup of tea

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It helps to remember that most of the codex worships gothic because they couldn't afford to buy video games and it was given away for free in eastern europe gaming magazines.

 

[Marat]

It is almost impossible to fight a enemy "higher level" than you

There is literally a video of a guy killing a Shadowbeast with his fists. An experienced player can defeat most opponents easily with even very weak character by exploiting the combat system.

 

[Outlander]

As it was said many times, it's actually intended for the combat to feel clumsy and shitty at the beginning. Because the Nameless Hero is not a trained warrior and this is properly reflected during early combat by deliberately making it not very fluid nor responsive.

But as you level up, you'll unlock new moves and the combat becomes very responsive, although you still have to properly time your swings to chain the next move in the combo. If you just spam left click as in your averge Bethesda ARPG you're doing it wrong.

It truly is a game not fit for the unwashed masses.

 

[curds]

not my cup of tea

That's fine, move along, play something else.

 

[vibehunter]

I had the same thoughts initially. But after giving it some time I was really impressed with the character progression system. I certainly prefer it to “gain a perk point every level and you suddenly know this cool new move.”

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

That's alright, no one is perfect.

 

[Ol' Willy]

buy video games

eastern europe

 

[oldmanpaco]

Gothic was aaaaaaaaaawright. I do admit it took me a couple of tries before I got into it.

 

[Nikanuur]

Let's be honest, who didn't get frustrated by... well... nearly everything in Gothic before they've started to love it `;-)?

 

[Yosharian]

Elex is the same, you play it for 30 mins and you think 'man this game is fucking shite'. Then you read on the Codex how it's actually great, try it again, and discover that it's actually pretty good.

Then 40 hours later you rediscover how fucking bad it is

 

[Nikanuur]

Elex is the same, you play it for 30 mins and you think 'man this game is fucking shite'. Then you read on the Codex how it's actually great, try it again, and discover that it's actually pretty good.

Then 40 hours later you rediscover how fucking bad it is

The first two parts I totally agree with. What made you feel like the "again bad" part?

 

[Yosharian]

Elex is the same, you play it for 30 mins and you think 'man this game is fucking shite'. Then you read on the Codex how it's actually great, try it again, and discover that it's actually pretty good.

Then 40 hours later you rediscover how fucking bad it is

The first two parts I totally agree with. What made you feel like the "again bad" part?

Nah I'm only half-serious, it is a good game, I just got tired it after a while. Kooky NPCs, zany plot, and character progression that's just ... odd. I definitely had fun with it for a long time.

 

[Tacgnol]

Elex is the same, you play it for 30 mins and you think 'man this game is fucking shite'. Then you read on the Codex how it's actually great, try it again, and discover that it's actually pretty good.

Then 40 hours later you rediscover how fucking bad it is

The first two parts I totally agree with. What made you feel like the "again bad" part?

Nah I'm only half-serious, it is a good game, I just got tired it after a while. Kooky NPCs, zany plot, and character progression that's just ... odd. I definitely had fun with it for a long time.

Elex has the odd stats do nothing but unlock skills system, made even worse by the fact the tooltips claim they do.

Gothic 1 + 2 and Risen (at least the first title), had more of a constant progression thing going on.

The way combat skills work in Gothic 1 and 2, with making Nameless attack faster and more smoothly as they progress, is still one of my favourite implementations of a combat skill system. It really contrasts how awkward and untrained he is at the start of the games.

 

[Ravielsk]

Believe it or not that was my exact experience when I first played the game myself. I in fact restarted it several times over before I got the hang of it. Or more accurately before I printed out a walkthough and realized that I have been taking the wrong approach to the game.

Because you see Gothic is less an RPG and more a simulation. Its not about making builds or resolving quests "your way". Its about getting into the mindset of a convict woefully unprepared for the world he was tossed in. The developers made you intentionally a weak bitch at the start to make it clear you(or rather the nameless hero) are completely out of your element. You are not supposed to farm out levels to boost your stats. You are supposed to stay in the camps, do quests for them and slowly build your self out to be able to venture into the wild. You need to stop thinking like a "player" and start thinking like the nameless hero would.

I very much understand OPs frustration because I was no different. I needed to read a walkthough for the first chapter to realize this because even back in 2001 games that asked you to use more "common sense" than "video game logic" were rare.

On the subject of the sucky combat. For one its optimized for keyboard and mouse, second its a timing based combo system where you are supposed to time your swings from left to right on order to make combos. This gets easier and more efficient the further you level your weapons skill and its intentionally gimped at the start to again facilitate the sense than you suck.

Btw part of the balance issues might come from the fact that the game was supposed to support multiplayer of up to 4 or 5 players. It got scrapped but the enemy placement and stats were not adjusted. That is also why you see a lot of screenshots showing groups taking on enemies, they were made when the game still supported multiplayer.

Spoiler

 

[Ravielsk]

It helps to remember that most of the codex worships gothic because they couldn't afford to buy video games and it was given away for free in eastern europe gaming magazines.

 

[Ladonna]

And the other thing like story,lore,character,quest really didn't surprise me,consider this game publish in 2001 even earlier than morriwind and NW1 make it really a good game,but feel like it is not my cup of tea

 

[welly321]

The awesome part of Gothic was the world. The idea of being trapped in this penal colony that had rival gangs and had to mine ore for the king was so cool. The fact that each gang had its own hideout/city and its own wants or needs was awesome. You can also choose to join one of the gangs.

The NPCs were VERY believable. They reacted if you walked inside there homes for example. They also treated you like you would expect a newcomer to be treated. The game world felt ALIVE....something that is sorely missing in modern RPGs.

Gothic 1 was truly ahead of its time.

 

[0sacred]

I'm holding out for the Gothic remake. The original games never grabbed me either.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

I'm holding out for the Gothic remake. The original games never grabbed me either.

Not liking the original can be forgiven, enabling the remake industry can't.

 

[0sacred]

I'm holding out for the Gothic remake. The original games never grabbed me either.

Not liking the original can be forgiven, enabling the remake industry can't.

everyone's an enabler these days, of dangerhairs at the very least

 

[Vladimuar]

First,I know it is a classic,and I know a lot of people like it,I don't want to talk shit to people's favorite game,but I just feel it is not a good game for me(not bad,just not good)

I try women, and it is really not my type of sex. First,I know it is a classic,and I know a lot of people like it,I don't want to talk shit to people's favorite sex preference,but I just feel it is not a good sex for me(not bad,just not good).

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I loves me some Gothic but let's not forget it was intended as an Xbox consool title for filthy casuals.

 

[Old Hans]

this game had the most weird ass eastern European default keyboard controls

 

[gerey]

First,I know it is a classic,and I know a lot of people like it,I don't want to talk shit to people's favorite game,but I just feel it is not a good game for me(not bad,just not good)

The combat is awful:
At first when I realize how the combat work ,I really think it is interesting,it feel like a clumsy dark soul.Then I finally realize the importance of level and attribute.It is almost impossible to fight a enemy "higher level" than you. As a RPG , you master the combat system not by full understand the game mechanism then develop a good strategy or build, but by grinding and be patient,that doesn't sound a selling point to me

the magic system is ok,the range combat is boring and the melee combat make my finger hurt(why you always need to press two key ?)

The pace of the game is too slow:
The map is not big,but the character's movement speed is really really slow.And the speed of opening the map,the speed of climb a ladder!!!!
feel like you need to spend 3 hour to enjoy 1 hour of content

And the other thing like story,lore,character,quest really didn't surprise me,consider this game publish in 2001 even earlier than morriwind and NW1 make it really a good game,but feel like it is not my cup of tea

You have shit opinions and questionable taste.

You'll fit right in.