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I just got this message in my mailbox:
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<blockquote>To Saint_Proverbius:
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Your site rpgcodex.com has exceeded its bandwidth quota in the period beginning on 2004-07-01. Your quota is set to <b>52428800000</b> bytes, and your site has consumed <b>6191856106</b> bytes <i>beyond</i> that quota.</blockquote>
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So, basically, this is the deal. We're eating around <b>60GB</b> for a mostly text based site. We don't host files. To keep going, we're going to need to gain some revenue here. So, if anyone would be so kind as to use those little <a href="http://www.paypal.com">PayPal</a> buttons to help keep this site popup gator adware free, we here at RPGCodex would appreciate it.
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Think of the children.. and puppies.. Whatever cute and cuddly things make you want to give up some money to support the cause.
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I have done some tests.

It seems that a typical forum page is 110 K witout the portraits and 227 K with the portraits.

I believe that since this a dynamic page the portraits keep reloading every time.(and they are hosted by your site)

If this is true ....

My suggestion. Disable portraits unless people pay for them ( like golden members or something)

Unless I am wrong bandwidth will be cut by half and some people will pay.

Forget about people donating without a special priviledge.

Yes this post contains my opinions only.
 

Volourn

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"Yes this post contains my opinions only."

No shit, sherlock.
 

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you could also disable signatures and use some sort of javascript to quote instead of sending the text again
 

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Nightjed said:
you could also disable signatures and use some sort of javascript to quote instead of sending the text again

Disabling signatures is a great idea to make more people give money and it could propably save 10 % of bandwidth.


I would lose my chance to advertise my mod here with the car banner but to save the codex that would be a small price to pay.
 

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shevek's post is a great example of something useless, 15 bytes of message and 518 bytes of garbage
 

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That's actually pretty serious news.

If it really is that bad, then i agree with chrisbeddoes's suggestion.

Also Saint, you said you don't host files, but how much do the images the staff uses for reviews and contests weigh? If they are stored on some other server, then it's fine; if not, reducing the amount to a bare minimum (say, like three images per review) might also be an idea.

Speaking of which, i think Exitium might be pissed at me for suggesting this, specially after his work, but maybe the new sets of ranks could revert to being text-only.
 

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So . Disable signatures and portaits for people that do not pay or are not stuff.

A good donation to ask would be 3$ for 3 months or 5$ per six months or 8$ for a year.

People will not pay more that is for sure.

Can you tell us what paypal is getting per transaction ?


Oh and the final solution is to disable viewing for non registered members for a while.


This could kill the site in the long term for sure but it is better than the alternative.
 

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How about buying stuff through some kind of exchange with amazon or such? It's not like people here don't use those places anyway? We could make it unintrusive and all, maybe just a ad bar in the forums or something?
 

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Whipporowill said:
How about buying stuff through some kind of exchange with amazon or such? It's not like people here don't use those places anyway? We could make it unintrusive and all, maybe just a ad bar in the forums or something?


The images would cost bandwidth (20-30 K) and i think that amazon pays too little.Also few people would buy.

My opinion also.
 

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I'm too cheap to donate, and I don't even have a Paypal account. I mean, don't those require credit cards, which in turn costs money every month whether I use them or not? Ah well, I can still offer to check the site less often, and post less often. If more people did that, perhaps things would work out.

Also, would I be correct to assume that this recent increase of traffic is mostly related to Fallout 3? Perhaps people should be sent packing to Bethesda's forum? ;)

The thing with avatars and other images seems like good suggestions though. Most other forums let me link my avatar from my own webspace, which I assume would remove the actual image transfer from your site. And with everyone downloading avatar images of everyone else, perhaps that would be enough?
 

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RGE said:
I'm too cheap to donate, and I don't even have a Paypal account. I mean, don't those require credit cards, which in turn costs money every month whether I use them or not? Ah well, I can still offer to check the site less often, and post less often. If more people did that, perhaps things would work out.

Also, would I be correct to assume that this recent increase of traffic is mostly related to Fallout 3? Perhaps people should be sent packing to Bethesda's forum? ;)

The thing with avatars and other images seems like good suggestions though. Most other forums let me link my avatar from my own webspace, which I assume will remove the actual image transfer from your site. And with everyone downloading avatar images of everyone else, perhaps that would be enough?

The php text that would link to the images could still be a burden.
Also this would certainly be abused since it could not be controled and the page would load very slowly for dial up users.

With abused i mean link to 110 K gif file.

Perhaps you could disable some tags . {color}

And for got shake get rid of ALL THE comments inside this this at once if you can.
This is downloaded for sure with every php file created.

EDIT. LOL . If you read the text that follows you understand that the NO use themes saves bandwaidth because you can delete the following code. You people DISABLED themes but failed to delete the following code !!!! ( theme administration centre) . (Sorry for pointing this mistake but maybe you can fix it to save $$$$$$$$$ ?)


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theme administration centre. When you have finalised your style you could cut the final CSS code
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!!!

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chrisbeddoes said:
The php text that would link to the images could still be a burden.
Also this would certainly be abused since it could not be controled and the page would load very slowly for dial up users.

With abused i mean link to 110 K gif file.

The forums that let me do that have limits on file size and image size. Seems to work well on Bethesda's forum, but perhaps they have more moderators to keep it clean. And perhaps the dial up users don't go there, what do I know? Most of the PHP forums I am registered to let me use my own avatar images though, so how bad can it be?
 

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RGE said:
chrisbeddoes said:
The php text that would link to the images could still be a burden.
Also this would certainly be abused since it could not be controled and the page would load very slowly for dial up users.

With abused i mean link to 110 K gif file.

The forums that let me do that have limits on file size and image size. Seems to work well on Bethesda's forum, but perhaps they have more moderators to keep it clean. And perhaps the dial up users don't go there, what do I know? Most of the PHP forums I am registered to let me use my own avatar images though, so how bad can it be?


You can give a good link at the forums php and then when accepted change the remote link.

That is the abuse.
 

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Arg--I hate forums that have SPECHUL GOLD MEMBARS or FRIENDS OF [site]. Seems phony to me.

What might help an insignificant amount and also eliminate one of my pet peeves is to quit all the unnecessary quoting. I always see people tossing two or three posts into a big quote pyramid and then replying with a half dozen words. Don't. Just go
Person said:
or
*[Person]'s thoughts on [issue]*
It'll lead to a lot less unnecessary text on page and generally Be Better (TM).
 

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Spazmo said:
Arg--I hate forums that have SPECHUL GOLD MEMBARS or FRIENDS OF [site]. Seems phony to me.

What might help an insignificant amount and also eliminate one of my pet peeves is to quit all the unnecessary quoting. I always see people tossing two or three posts into a big quote pyramid and then replying with a half dozen words. Don't. Just go
Person said:
or
*[Person]'s thoughts on [issue]*
It'll lead to a lot less unnecessary text on page and generally Be Better (TM).


GOLD members means that you are a site sustainer

Is site sustainer a better term ?

And also it is a better option than closing the site .

About the quoting. It can be essential in controversial threads (like 90 % of the codex threads)
 

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Yes, but in your reply just above, you could have just gone
Spazmo said:
It'd be understood that you're replying to me. If you want to look at what I'm saying point by point (as is often the case around here) then it's okay to single out sentences, but when generally responding to a person, there's no reason to quote their entire post.

That said, it's not like doing that will save any real bandwidth, but it's something that always bugs me.
 

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Actually all your ideas are pretty fucking stupid. I'm not going to pay shit especially if its going to be going to sorceres.net and the faggot TALUNTIAN, and I defiantly wont do it for one of the lame ass avatars.

Not allowing unregistered lurkers is an act of faggotism, since I know how it feels to register for some forum to see if its good then it turns out to be a complete waste. I dont even recommend this for a short period of time, though it would proabably save us tons of buttcash its bad net manners.

IF you guys want to limit bandwith why dont you start getting to the fucking point in your posts, Ive seen lots of people pouring there whole life story in some of the posts. FOR EXAMPLE<3 Chris why dont you not fucking copy/paste pages full of text into your posts because Im starting to think half of our bandwith problems are because of you.
 

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Also this is a typical php text.
The wraping must be present in every post.
And a 10 char post (typical Volourn) can still wast 2 Kbytes transfer because of the php wrapping. I have colored the actual text.
Look at how little bandwidth the actual post consumes !!!!
So a hack to dissalow short post would be perfect.
And Volourn would be pissed ! Another bonus !

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if ( navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase().indexOf('mozilla') != -1 && navigator.userAgent.indexOf('5.') == -1 )
document.write(' ');
else
document.write('</td><td>&nbsp;</td><td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"><div style="position:relative"><div style="position:absolute"></div><div style="position:absolute;left:3px;top:-1px"></div></div>');

//--></script></td><td> </td><td nowrap="nowrap" valign="top"><div style="position: relative;"><div style="position: absolute;"></div><div style="position: absolute; left: 3px; top: -1px;"></div></div><noscript></noscript></td>
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<td class="row1" valign="top" align="left" width="150"><span class="name"><a name="64457"></a><b>Ausir</b></span><br><span class="postdetails">Faustian Cockmeister<br><img border="0" title="Faustian Cockmeister" alt="Faustian Cockmeister" src="viewtopic_files/ausir.gif"><br><br><br>Joined: 21 Oct 2002<br>Posts: 587<br>Location: Poland</span><br></td>
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<tbody><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Calis wrote:</b></span></td>
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While the movie did simplify the robot universe as presented by Asimov
somewhat, I thought it did a great job at capturing the essence of his
books, and I've been reading some Asimov lately (it's one of those
writers I managed to miss in my youth). I thought the movie captured
the "detective" feel of novels like Caliban, and played nicely with the
Three Laws, although the climax made use of a simplified view of it all.
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Well, from the trailers, I don't think the robots follow the Three Laws
at all, unless there is some catch to it in the movie. And Caliban
wasn't written by Asimov, it was a book based on his universe by some
other author.
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chrisbeddoes said:
You can give a good link at the forums php and then when accepted change the remote link.

That is the abuse.

Tricky. Never thought about that. But at least RPG Codex wouldn't have to upload that 110 kb image file. And I don't really think I've seen people do that, so either they don't, or the ones that do get caught doing it, or my leet broadband connection downloads those avatars too fast for me to care. If the registered members of RPG Codex couldn't be trusted to stick to the rules, then sure, disable the avatars instead. I don't really care about them. Ugly red gorillas and other freaks...at least I picked a good looking one!
 

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