A problem with RPGs: RPG developers are not well-read in myth and fantasy/sci-fi literature

[Iucounu]

I want to see fantasy worlds that draws from the rich tapestry of African history and the African diaspora. Like Charles R. Saunder's Imaro.

I know nothing about African literature (I'm more into the music), but a quick search turned up this list: https://mlwangbooks.com/2019/12/04/25-african-sci-fi-fantasy-books/ (a couple of them seem woke, alas).

 

[Iucounu]

Have you even seen the level of negrophilia and nigger worship in the West?

Nowadays that's just primitive worship of criminal (American) ghetto culture. People that like such things obviously have no interest in learning about the history of any foreign culture (or even their own). Actually I'm surprised that they haven't upgraded to worshipping Mexican Cartel members by now, but maybe that will come.

Waves of mud hutt dwelling, spear chucking, cannibal subhumans?

There's a lot more to learn about, don't be lazy like a leftist gangsta rap fan.

No wonder they try to depict Africa and africans as a Wakandan Utopia.

Seems Wakanda was invented by white Americans, but why couldn't African writers invent unrealistic science fiction scenarious just like everybody else?

 

[Tyranicon]

Ambition is a masculine trait and masculine traits have been throughly villainized.

 

[NecroLord]

Seems Wakanda was invented by white Americans

"White americans".

It was jews, my friend.
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby to be more precise.

 

[Necrensha]

Woman most certainly destroy everything they touch.
But there is something much worse than woman around: the simps that will fight tooth and nail to allow them to get away with turning all the characters gay in the sequel.
A mass castration is the only solution.

 

[NecroLord]

Woman most certainly destroy everything they touch.
But there is something much worse than woman around: the simps that will fight tooth and nail to allow them to get away with turning all the characters gay in the sequel.
A mass castration is the only solution.

Simping is just putting bitches on a pedestal due to their beauty while ignoring their major personality defects and complete lack of morals and dignity.
You can "respect" a woman - your momma, that kind old lady who served you cookies or other food, your grandmother...
Just don't simp.

 

[Necrensha]

Simping is just putting bitches on a pedestal due to their beauty while ignoring their major personality defects and complete lack of morals and dignity.
You can "respect" a woman - your momma, that kind old lady who served you cookies or other food, your grandmother...
Just don't simp.

Can't do that when the number of maidenless men increases every single year. The simping is a desperation tactic.

 

[Ghost Of Iron]

Story in games shouldn't be a focus to begin with, that's part of the overall decline in the hobby in general. Story should simply be serviceable and always there just to frame the gameplay and the systems that should be the actual focus of the project in question. If you still had random game devs who only know how to cobble together something like "Orcs bad, you are hero, you kill them and stuff" as a narrative we would be in a much better place, instead companies now hire an entire writing staff that puts out a story significantly worse than that basic setup could ever be, and in most cases actively detracts from the enjoyment of the game. It's only made worse if the story starts taking up significant amounts of the game itself. If your game lives or dies off its story, its a bad game to begin with. The fact its emphasized at all shows how far off the focus has gotten in the industry at large as to what a good game is and should be.

 

[Iucounu]

Seems Wakanda was invented by white Americans

"White americans".

It was jews, my friend.
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby to be more precise.

Just meant to say they're not black Americans...

 

[ShiningSoldier]

Such a nice thread was destroyed by a bunch of neckbeards whining and bitching "ah, women and jews stop me from being masculine! Ah, this is the end of a Western Civilization!" You guys are just sore losers.

 

[Iucounu]

Story in games shouldn't be a focus to begin with, that's part of the overall decline in the hobby in general. Story should simply be serviceable and always there just to frame the gameplay and the systems that should be the actual focus of the project in question. If you still had random game devs who only know how to cobble together something like "Orcs bad, you are hero, you kill them and stuff" as a narrative we would be in a much better place, instead companies now hire an entire writing staff that puts out a story significantly worse than that basic setup could ever be, and in most cases actively detracts from the enjoyment of the game. It's only made worse if the story starts taking up significant amounts of the game itself. If your game lives or dies off its story, its a bad game to begin with. The fact its emphasized at all shows how far off the focus has gotten in the industry at large as to what a good game is and should be.

If the audience likes writing so much, surely novels or even movies are much better? Only explanation is that this audience wants an interactive Disney cartoon.

 

[Tyranicon]

Story in games shouldn't be a focus to begin with, that's part of the overall decline in the hobby in general.

That would be arguable in any other genre besides RPGs, especially cRPGs, which owe its entire history to the story generators known as tabletop roleplaying.

 

[Ghost Of Iron]

Tabletop games were first and foremost strategy and tactics games, the whole fun of them was the combat, character building and strategy, which is the appeal of cRPGs as well. Your focus when you played ToEE or Demonweb Pits was not how to portray the backstory and motives of your character, it was building a strong as fuck dude that could manage to kill his way through the module and get the cool loot without getting killed in the process. THAT is what is FUN about RPGs, and always has been. The shift towards pretending you are a fucking thespian and spending more time "portraying your character" than rolling dice and killing shit is a recent phenomenon, and the primary reason that hobby is now overrun by people whose idea of a good RPG system is stripping of it all mechanical complexity and depth so they can spend all of their effort, time and energy being really bad actors than actually playing a fucking RPG or engaging with the combat, character building, and tactics the genre was built on. See 5E D&D for a great example of this.

 

[Viata]

It's not just a problem with RPGs. I call this the cannibalization of media: the people who write fantasy books only read fantasy books, the people who make RPGs only play RPGs, and so on. There’s no outside input, so the output ends up being the most generic shit out there. Given how most of those shit sucks, it's garbage in garbage out all the way.

 

[Tyranicon]

Don't get me wrong, I like combat sims, but being purely a combat sim where NPCs only exist to sell you things makes for a barren experience.

 

[Storyfag]

how CAN you honestly depict african sword and sorcery fantasy without having every damn sjw leftist this side of California go up in smoke over it?

Why would you want them to not go up in smoke?

 

[mondblut]

why couldn't African writers invent

Well, how do I begin...