About an hour in to System Shock 2, so far, not impressed

[Ash]

Bioshock clearly leaned more into the shooter realm, and every other area of gameplay was inferior in my opinion.

Nope, it sucks as a shooter too, as shooters are more than the act of a gun an its effects animating. Shooters (the actual good ones) are supposed to have gameplay concepts such as resource management, navigation, enemy placement, AI behaviour, challenge, risk vs reward, and more. Among these, Bioshock either doesn't have it or it's poor. Terrible shooter.

If you rank shooters by their gunplay only, even then Bioshock is a bit mediocre compared to its also awful contemporaries in mid-late 2000s

 

[Morenatsu.]

Holy hell you're retarded. Every time I think maybe I should give this guy a chance and nope. Never again.

Nah, this is what retardation looks like.

I don't even know what was so ‘retarded’ about that anyway. What, is a Doom a bad game? Are Quake Combat Minus's games better to shoot with than Half-Life's? Not really. Are you butthurt about your distasteful modding ‘skills’ being criticized? Yes, absolutely.

 

[Ash]

A retard is calling my work retarded. 'K

 

[Morenatsu.]

A retard is calling my work retarded. 'K

Which came first, the retard or the butthurt.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

A retard is calling my work retarded. 'K

I have no dog in this fight but you are coming across as the retard here.

 

[Ash]

And why is that?

 

[Ol' Willy]

By the way, the best shooting in any game ever is

Stalker

 

[Morenatsu.]

By the way, the best shooting in any game ever is

Stalker

It's an interesting simulation, but it also completely fails half of the time, so no, I disagree. It's not true at all. Get out of here, Stalker.

 

[cvv]

SS2 versus SS1 is a question of tension + atmosphere VS overall quality.

All of that favours SS1.

SS2 had better UI and controls in general and some light RPG elements, I suppose. Everything else was a decline.

It's like comparing Ridley Scott's Alien with Cameron's Aliens. The latter is more actiony and probably more fun for the masses but there's no doubt which one is more groundbreaking, smarter and artistically more valuable.

 

[potatojohn]

As a shooter, it was very inferior to bioshock. I doubt anyone got it because they wanted to play a shooter, but its worth noting.

The shooting was the worst part of Bioshock, what the fuck are you talking about?

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but bioshock's shooting was better than system shock 2's shooting. At least bioshock had headshots. It didn't matter where you hit the enemies in system shock 2.

Like I said, neither is a shooter, but since both contain shooting it's worth commenting on.

system shock 2 enemies have distributed neurology, headshots don't really make sense