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Age of Wonders 1 or 2???
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moar!here is shameless promotion of my UI script. Please, don't hesitate to grumble about it poor quality
Upkeep formula is moddable in aow2 if you install the MPE 2.0 mod, which modifies the game's .exe and comes with a powerful modding program. Also in aow2 you can give units the summoned promotion to make them cost mana for maintenance. In AoW1 we're out of luck though.
does anyone ask Triumph to do it?
People have in the past, but not for a while now I think?
What's the best way to go about asking? I love modding these games but I don't know about technical stuff, I just use tools provided by more tech-savvy fans. So I don't know if I'd even benefit from source code, maybe you'd be able to use it?
sure, I'm godlike haxxor - I would change the DEF cost of hero & other upgrades and press F7 to compile.
seriously - That incline after source release would be massive. Its perfect game, just poorly "equalized". Lots of old fags here has tremendous knowledge about it.
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ok, i can send mail to paradox. How do people ask Devs usually about the source? write post on official forum?
The Brazilian Slaughter
Arcane
Do they still have the source code? A lot of ancient gaming source codes were lost, ya know - Fallout, for example. Hell, some guy found a CD with the Starcraft source code one of those days.
Wow, twenty years. I feel old. I discovered the original AOW in a CD Expert Magazine demo in the early 2000s, spent YEARS trying to find the game for purchase in local shops (a local distributor was selling then). Never found it, piracy bailed my ass. I remember downloading Shadow Magic years later using a 56k modem. I spent a week or two of straight downloading, but DAMN IT if it wasn't worth every single moment.
Source Code would be great, but would Triumph even do it? Don't forget, they're selling a new game.
If they can't/won't, then I think it would be just as good to pull a "OpenXcom" - make a new engine, make it load the assets of the original without including them in the download.
The original AOW still has things its predecessors never had - like 12 players.
Wow, twenty years. I feel old. I discovered the original AOW in a CD Expert Magazine demo in the early 2000s, spent YEARS trying to find the game for purchase in local shops (a local distributor was selling then). Never found it, piracy bailed my ass. I remember downloading Shadow Magic years later using a 56k modem. I spent a week or two of straight downloading, but DAMN IT if it wasn't worth every single moment.
Source Code would be great, but would Triumph even do it? Don't forget, they're selling a new game.
If they can't/won't, then I think it would be just as good to pull a "OpenXcom" - make a new engine, make it load the assets of the original without including them in the download.
The original AOW still has things its predecessors never had - like 12 players.
vota DC
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Even simple things like a short sighted archer can't be done: skills can't be modded or added so an archer minimum attack will be 4 attack and 2 damage.
I need for lore reason to change relation. I did food chain mod there too (like in aow3) with the campaign too but for example Follettus Demens is supposed to be friendly with United Sewers because they have Lizardmen among population so I was inspired by goblin-lizardmen alliance in Ultima Underworld 1. If source code is in I am quite sure you can set manually race relation: they aren't tied with alignment since there are some spells that change it and also there is Highmen-Human relation that would be wary if only alignment count.
I am not sure if something like Regrowth skill from AOW3 can be implemented even with source code since it would require a new mechanic.
Yes, but in 2004! 5 years after is really a short time but 20 years is another matter.
I need for lore reason to change relation. I did food chain mod there too (like in aow3) with the campaign too but for example Follettus Demens is supposed to be friendly with United Sewers because they have Lizardmen among population so I was inspired by goblin-lizardmen alliance in Ultima Underworld 1. If source code is in I am quite sure you can set manually race relation: they aren't tied with alignment since there are some spells that change it and also there is Highmen-Human relation that would be wary if only alignment count.
I am not sure if something like Regrowth skill from AOW3 can be implemented even with source code since it would require a new mechanic.
Yes, but in 2004! 5 years after is really a short time but 20 years is another matter.
"Dear Paradox, forward this to ex-Triumph employee:
When you gonna make new patch to Age of Wonders 1? there is lots of OP stuff waiting to be nerf. [here list of stuff]
Would like to remind You, that you are still selling AoW1 [link to steam,gog]. That means there is interest in this gem.
I suggest You to make expansion to AoW1 with new campaign, new units & abilities, new terrain & fixed stuff. Or if you REALLY have to make (gods forbid, its already aesthetically flawless, and one of the best looking game ever) - remake, doing it 3d you will only make it worse. 3d will never has a charm of 2d (even if its mechanically a better game).
If you currently dont have manpower to do it, them please consider releasing the source code. So multiple individuals can make thousands version of AoW1 (like with Doom). And do it before Christmas 2018/19 because I dont have free time after that.
best regards,
No-one from RPG codex"
When you gonna make new patch to Age of Wonders 1? there is lots of OP stuff waiting to be nerf. [here list of stuff]
Would like to remind You, that you are still selling AoW1 [link to steam,gog]. That means there is interest in this gem.
I suggest You to make expansion to AoW1 with new campaign, new units & abilities, new terrain & fixed stuff. Or if you REALLY have to make (gods forbid, its already aesthetically flawless, and one of the best looking game ever) - remake, doing it 3d you will only make it worse. 3d will never has a charm of 2d (even if its mechanically a better game).
If you currently dont have manpower to do it, them please consider releasing the source code. So multiple individuals can make thousands version of AoW1 (like with Doom). And do it before Christmas 2018/19 because I dont have free time after that.
best regards,
No-one from RPG codex"
past couple of years have seen a lot of the stuff in this thread modded.
A few people including myself have been hex editing, still without source code but a lot of stuff can be done now. Race Relations, ability stats, vision ranges, city upgrade costs per size, bonus movement speed from unit medals, etc etc etc
A few people including myself have been hex editing, still without source code but a lot of stuff can be done now. Race Relations, ability stats, vision ranges, city upgrade costs per size, bonus movement speed from unit medals, etc etc etc
Gaznak
Learned
The topic question is meaningless. Because answer is: BOTH!
And for God's sake, NOT AoW3!
And for God's sake, NOT AoW3!
Zboj Lamignat
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AoW3 is a very good game.
That would have been something. Imagine AoW where the AI can do basic things like exploring sites and picking up and equipping items.
The latest thing (past few days) is someone figuring out how to mod the terrain alteration abilities. So in basegame, most terrains can be created either temporarily or permanently but now we can make a Rejuvenate spell reworked into "Dessicate" (Since Healing Showers already improves terrain so there's a mild redundancy) and we should be able to make Firestorm dry the terrain out, ie grassland to steppe, steppe to desert.
I may also look into modding "Lower Terrain" or "Rejuvenate/Dessicate" into a "Stoneburner" spell that creates lava. I might even be able to figure out how the delayed semi-random melting of Freeze Water ice works, and copy it into this lava-creating spell so that after a while the lava cools and turns into Wasteland.
I may also look into modding "Lower Terrain" or "Rejuvenate/Dessicate" into a "Stoneburner" spell that creates lava. I might even be able to figure out how the delayed semi-random melting of Freeze Water ice works, and copy it into this lava-creating spell so that after a while the lava cools and turns into Wasteland.
Initially we only had Ziggurat, the one I made with PBEM in mind. And initially because I'm a PBEM type the discord started out with PBEM games only.
Later on we had enough people for livegames, and before long we had this livegame player (username "The Chosen One") asking for changes that would've been good for livegame tactical combat but bad for PBEM balance. So I said he should create his own mod, he decided to build one off mine but at this point his is quite highly divergent from Ziggurat.
Initially I really disliked his "design philosophy" of placing too much emphasis on a kind of "reductive balance" and not enough on thematic and diversity considerations, but in the end the result is quite diverse, maybe my butthurt walls of text on the topic persuaded him or I was just being paranoid on the issue. Plus, these days he is the main one figuring out new hex edits, though I've still done some lately.
EDIT: fuck, he decided to replace Incarnates as a recruitable because "they're unreliable" and "I don't raid I defend my structures"
EDIT2: all good, persuaded him to give the replacement "Stormlord" unit possessed so that when it dies an Incarnate pops out.
So it's Ziggurat Engine Mod for PBEM, and AoW Evolved for livegames. There's also AoWx for a LAN group who play amongst themselves and which comes with a new campaign. And AoW+ which started off all the "modern" hex edit modding, and is pretty well suited to singleplayer campaign-ing and is designed to be compatible with rulesets.
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