Decline And the Codex Bests RPGs 2022 Poll?????

[felipepepe]

I never saw the point in restricting the number of voters on a poll like this... it doesn't get rid of alts, just reduces the total votes.

 

[Infinitron]

question Infinitron is, can you make it codex poll requiring log in, like it used to?

.... Twiglard!

You want to make a custom poll webpage that requires being logged in to the forum?

I mean sure, drop me a PM.

DarkUnderlord Still have the source code of the time you did this lying around?

 

[OSK]

I never saw the point in restricting the number of voters on a poll like this... it doesn't get rid of alts, just reduces the total votes.

Because the polls get invaded by Polish Reddit.

 

[†††]

Because the polls get invaded by Polish Reddit every year.

But how is felipepe supposed to reinforce the vote now?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

restricting votes is racist, the codex proudly stands against racism by allowing anyone to vote as many times as they want

this is how democracy works, chuds

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

There is no consensus, and so I have to ask, where is the next iteration of the "What is an RPG?" thread?

Ultima Underworld II: The Labyrinth of Worlds had a reasonable definition of RPG back in 1993:

 

[lukaszek]

I never saw the point in restricting the number of voters on a poll like this... it doesn't get rid of alts, just reduces the total votes.

Its about getting rid of anonymity. I want to know who voted on what. Did you remember valentines edition when users got paired based on their rpg tastes?

 

[DarkUnderlord]

question Infinitron is, can you make it codex poll requiring log in, like it used to?

.... Twiglard!

You want to make a custom poll webpage that requires being logged in to the forum?

I mean sure, drop me a PM.

DarkUnderlord Still have the source code of the time you did this lying around?

Yes. Pretty sure it's still on the server at the link it was last time. Was that XF1 though or phpBB? Can't recall.

 

[Infinitron]

XF1, it's not that old.

 

[Nano]

Does anyone actually give a fuck anymore?

 

[Dadd]

Does anyone actually give a fuck anymore?

I want to give a fuck but it was very hard in 2022

 

[Alex]

There is no consensus, and so I have to ask, where is the next iteration of the "What is an RPG?" thread?

Ultima Underworld II: The Labyrinth of Worlds had a reasonable definition of RPG back in 1993:

I knew you would eventually agree with me that Zork is a CRPG.

 

[luj1]

It's gonna be a fun poll with turds like Vampire Survivors and Pentiment. And tranny felipe leading it all.

 

[Twiglard]

Infinitron DarkUnderlord the code works correctly without the need for any major changes. Inserting data to the GOTY table with
game_year = $YEAR, game_category = $YEAR-2012+4 where $YEAR == 2022 will produce the desired results when users navigate into the page.

It's possible to 'cheat' updating one's own results for previous GOTY years through fiddling with POST parameters but this is immaterial because by that time the results have already been exported and don't affect the poll's results.

The game_year column specifies the instance of Codex GOTY which is being held, while game_category specifies the actual release year of that game. This allows for missed GOTY years to be voted on in a single poll.

The goty_votes table appears to exist (the script would fail otherwise), but I can't access it or even display its schema. No matter, it won't negatively affect the functioning of the poll.

So that said, you can add to the goty_games table or send me a plain text file containing the game names and I'll do it for you.

 

[Infinitron]

Infinitron DarkUnderlord the code works correctly without the need for any major changes. Inserting data to the GOTY table with
game_year = $YEAR, game_category = $YEAR-2012+4 where $YEAR == 2022 will produce the desired results when users navigate into the page.

It's possible to 'cheat' updating one's own results for previous GOTY years through fiddling with POST parameters but this is immaterial because by that time the results have already been exported and don't affect the poll's results.

The game_year column specifies the instance of Codex GOTY which is being held, while game_category specifies the actual release year of that game. This allows for missed GOTY years to be voted on in a single poll.

The goty_votes table appears to exist (the script would fail otherwise), but I can't access it or even display its schema. No matter, it won't negatively affect the functioning of the poll.

So that said, you can add to the goty_games table or send me a plain text file containing the game names and I'll do it for you.

I think this was meant for the DMs.

 

[Twiglard]

I think this was meant for the DMs.

You seemed to already having started discussing this in public. My post doesn't contain any sensitive information that could be used against the site. Regardless, feel free to delete it.

 

[Rean]

You seemed to already having started discussing this in public. My post doesn't contain any sensitive information that could be used against the site. Regardless, feel free to delete it.

 

[Saduj]

The "rate every game" voting system is flawed and easily manipulated. In most years, the only way to truly to vote for a game of the year under such a system is to give one undeserving game five stars and to downvote any perceived competitors. Allowing everyone to just vote for one game of the year is much simpler and doesn't incent voters to be dishonest. But is a truer result worth losing all those wonderful graphs based on inherently flawed data that the rating system makes possible?

 

[Gregz]

Infinitron DarkUnderlord the code works correctly without the need for any major changes. Inserting data to the GOTY table with
game_year = $YEAR, game_category = $YEAR-2012+4 where $YEAR == 2022 will produce the desired results when users navigate into the page.

It's possible to 'cheat' updating one's own results for previous GOTY years through fiddling with POST parameters but this is immaterial because by that time the results have already been exported and don't affect the poll's results.

The game_year column specifies the instance of Codex GOTY which is being held, while game_category specifies the actual release year of that game. This allows for missed GOTY years to be voted on in a single poll.

The goty_votes table appears to exist (the script would fail otherwise), but I can't access it or even display its schema. No matter, it won't negatively affect the functioning of the poll.

So that said, you can add to the goty_games table or send me a plain text file containing the game names and I'll do it for you.

I'm glad you guys are making this a public conversation. We need excessive transparency on this topic.

At minimum we should all have access to the following information:

1) A clear explanation of the polling process
2) Who voted for what
3) The raw data (before any kind of analytics, Bayesian, etc.)

 

[Peachcurl]

1) A clear explanation of the polling process
2) Who voted for what
3) The raw data (before any kind of analytics, Bayesian, etc.)

1) 3): totally agree.

Regarding 2): Social control may reduce troll votes. But it may increase herd-like voting behavior. Not sure that's worth it.

 

[Gregz]

1) A clear explanation of the polling process
2) Who voted for what
3) The raw data (before any kind of analytics, Bayesian, etc.)

1) 3): totally agree.

Regarding 2): Social control may reduce troll votes. But it may increase herd-like voting behavior. Not sure that's worth it.

I don't see any other way of verifying that votes come 1:1 from Codexers only.

 

[Peachcurl]

1) A clear explanation of the polling process
2) Who voted for what
3) The raw data (before any kind of analytics, Bayesian, etc.)

1) 3): totally agree.

Regarding 2): Social control may reduce troll votes. But it may increase herd-like voting behavior. Not sure that's worth it.

I don't see any other way of verifying that votes come 1:1 from Codexers only.

Hm, you mean this won't be done via limiting access to the poll by existing accounts?

 

[Gregz]

1) A clear explanation of the polling process
2) Who voted for what
3) The raw data (before any kind of analytics, Bayesian, etc.)

1) 3): totally agree.

Regarding 2): Social control may reduce troll votes. But it may increase herd-like voting behavior. Not sure that's worth it.

I don't see any other way of verifying that votes come 1:1 from Codexers only.

Hm, you mean this won't be done via limiting access to the poll by existing accounts?

It's easier to audit names than code. Any one of us should be able to easily verify the poll results to our own satisfaction.

 

[lukaszek]

first we need to review codex random number generator

 

[puur prutswerk]

Is already January 19 and no poll has been made for the best RPG in 2022.

What RPG

There is no consensus, and so I have to ask, where is the next iteration of the "What is an RPG?" thread?

Doom is technically an RPG given what some people's definition of what an RPG is.

Why is there a definition for what a roguelike is, but nothing for RPGs?

A roguelike is a sub genre of an RPG, so it makes sense to include the entire roguelike genre under the banner of what an RPG is, but how do we reconcile all the other games counting as RPGs into a cumulative definition?

Even if you divorce the definition of an RPG from the mediums they are played on, what would a major technological leap do for RPGs? Will the definition change again?

What about card collecting games? They have elements from other RPGs within them, are they now RPGs? What elements separates each CCG from each other and how much separation changes it from an RPG into a purely CCG genre?

There is no definition for an RPG, and any definition anyone has come up with is heavily flawed. I think there needs to be a board of directors in the world that is paid to come up with a global definition of what an RPG is.

RPGs came from war sims that naval recruits came up with, but would they be considered RPGs nowadays? They would be considered "sims" instead, at least on the Steam product pages.

Stories don't make an RPG either, as early games classified as RPGs had little to no story.

So a good start at defining an RPG would be to look at how the definition changes over time and according to medium.

What about mechanics of games classified ass RPGs? These days games have vastly simplified mechanics compared to the checks and rolls AD&D 2e had, but so have RPGs that came out early because they were limited to the hardware they ran on. There was a review of an ancient PC that had a transparent piece of plastic placed on the screen and games were played on that, so if an RPG designed to be played on an ancient PC like that were to come out on Steam would people agree that it is an RPG? You can't simply say the product you are releasing is an RPG just because you said so, this isn't a choose your own gender adventure!

The next question is, how much or how little complexity defines an RPG? If all you had was one number, say HP, on the screen and a linear progression, would that count as an RPG? It could have if it were released in 1972, but not if it were released today. Today it would be classed as an indie "action adventure" game.

So we have come to at least an idea of how we can start to classify as an RPG:
* Time it was released
* Genre it was released under at that time
* Hardware limitations
* Complexity of mechanics, such as progression systems

What is an RPG?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/chat/message/1180258/view
An RPG or Role Playing Game is a choice simulator where chosen characters are simulated to choose