Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Grunker]

Maybe, but can you blame them?

Yes. If you paint yourself as some staunch defender of RPGs from the hordes of SJWs, the least you can do is learn the history. The part you're specifically defending as minimum. It takes literally 5 seconds to google "female dwarves beard forgotten realms" and see the result on FR wiki, easily falsifying your assumption.

That you're not doing that is because this is not about whether female dwarven beards are ultimately stupid or not (personally I've always disliked the concept). It's about using RPGs as a vehicle for political whining, whether or not that's justitifed in the specific case or not.

 

[MuckMan]

Maybe, but can you blame them?

Yes. If you paint yourself as some staunch defender of RPGs from the hordes of SJWs, the least you can do is learn the history. The part you're specifically defending as minimum. It takes literally 5 seconds to google "female dwarves beard" and see the result on FR wiki, easily falsifying your assumption.

That you're not doing that is because this is not about whether female dwarven beards are ultimately stupid or not (personally I've always disliked the concept). It's about using RPGs as a vehicle for a political cause, whether or not that's justitifed in the specific case or not.

Sure, maybe that is just me and i do not like women with beards, but I do not see myself as a staunch defender of ye old RPGs or try to use games as a political cause. I concede my point about female dwarves having a beard as a SJWism, even though we waited till BG 3 to get female Dwarves with beards in a DnD game as far as I know, I guess everyone else forgot about "Dwarves Deep".

 

[Grunker]

even though we waited till BG 3 to get female Dwarves with beards in a DnD game as far as I know

That is an unfathomably ironic statement considering the fact that in one of RPG Codex' all-time favourite RPGs, not only did the paper dolls of dwarven females have beards - they couldn't *not* have beards.

The game? Baldur's Gate

 

[Grunker]

I even believe - though I'm not 100% sure - that woke-as-fuck-Beamdog actually removed female dwarven beards in the Enhanced Editions, though it was probably by accident. The EEs relied on 1 Pixel Production-functionality for its paper dolls, and since Erephine implemented seperate paper dolls for female dwarves, those didn't have beards. Like I said I'm kind of foggy on this fact, but I believe it's accurate.

 

[NJClaw]

even though we waited till BG 3 to get female Dwarves with beards in a DnD game as far as I know

That is an unfathomably ironic statement considering the fact that in one of RPG Codex' all-time favourite RPGs, not only did the paper dolls of dwarven females have beards - they couldn't *not* have beards.

That game? Baldur's Gate

Always keep in mind that 90% of the people who talk about BG3 know absolutely nothing about the series, and have probably never played any entry. From time to time, I still think about the guy who bashed Larian for trying to be funny with a pig as icon for the Grease spell.

 

[fantadomat]

even though we waited till BG 3 to get female Dwarves with beards in a DnD game as far as I know

That is an unfathomably ironic statement considering the fact that in one of RPG Codex' all-time favourite RPGs, not only did the paper dolls of dwarven females have beards - they couldn't *not* have beards.

That game? Baldur's Gate

Always keep in mind that 90% of the people who talk about BG3 know absolutely nothing about the series, and have probably never played any entry. From time to time, I still think about the guy who bashed Larian for trying to be funny with a pig as icon for the Grease spell.

Yup,there is plenty of idiots on both sides of the argument. Thank God that there is no smart people on the pro bg3 side

 

[Reinhardt]

Tb is smarter than rtwp.

 

[jackofshadows]

Another bullshit decision is that female Dwarves can have a beard, which I presume stems from the stupid joke in The Two Towers, about female dwarves having a beard. Even if implemented as a joke, there is no joking on such matters with SJWs.

If ever there was a great example of how you people see SJW insertions everywhere no matter what, this has got to be it.

It's funny, isn't it. The people claiming to be grognard defenders of the Old Faith often seem completely oblivious to the actual content of RPG history.

That's all completely fair but

a) wasn't FR lore infamous for mass retcons? I'm very far from being expert on it but if that's more or less true it would mean that Larian could change such relatively small things however they want, especially so we're talking about stuff not many people know about even here.

b) what's matter is why exactly one thing or the other has been implemented/added even if result would be ~ same. Like with that Solasta's example where theoretically they could've at least conceal the pronouns somehow by the lore or something but no - they explicitly said why they have added it (trannies rights and all that).

c) what's FR lore history take on *bodytype*? I guess that's a kinda irrelevant question though after the BG enhanced editions inclusions.

We'll see the overall pozz levels of BG3 when it'll come out but safe to say it's already contain its fair share of the modern political developments - refugees theme alone is enough imo.

 

[Raghar]

I applaud the steadfast believe of some posters in this thread, that BG 3 will be pure incline by codex standards, but the truth is Baldurs Gate 3 will be pozzed, no doubt about it. The question is, how much.

I believe that Swen himself would not pander to SJWs, but there are a couple of concerning developments. For example: The first Gameplay-Demo, played by the man himself, he chose his sex and called it "body type", I only saw this video once, but I still remember that. Another bullshit decision is that female Dwarves can have a beard, which I presume stems from the stupid joke in The Two Towers, about female dwarves having a beard etc. Even if implemented as a joke, there is no joking on such matters with SJWs.

One big concern is the impression I got from many casul BG3-"fans", who seem to be of biowarian stock, you know, mainly concerned with how their MC looks and who to romance and who should be romanceable etc. And the biggest concern is that BG3 is on the mainstreams radar! You can bet your ass there will be many games "journalists", if not payed off properly, writing stupid takes on even more stupider topics, that somehow involve BG3 and Twitter-Scum will flock to it and demand changes for a game they never wanted to buy and still will never buy. So if you say: "BG3 does not have Trannies", the right answer is "does not have Trannies yet"

Not everything is derived from Tolkien. And dwarves are different species with long lives and likely unisex features. Breasts are not visible under armor. And if dwarf women have difference in height, one cm isn't recognizable by not dwarf. In addition some species of dwarves definitely COULD have a beard on females.

Remember dwarves evolved independently on different words. Species of dwarves is called dwarves when they have dwarven characteristic traits, like long lives, high strength per height, relatively short height, relatively stout body, subterrain adaptation, autism, tendency to be 12x greedier than Jews, relatively high intelligence (it pairs well with autism), feeling strong obligations toward dwarves.

And remember, even some females of homo sapiens can have moustaches in 40.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Another bullshit decision is that female Dwarves can have a beard, which I presume stems from the stupid joke in The Two Towers, about female dwarves having a beard. Even if implemented as a joke, there is no joking on such matters with SJWs.

If ever there was a great example of how you people see SJW insertions everywhere no matter what, this has got to be it.

It's funny, isn't it. The people claiming to be grognard defenders of the Old Faith often seem completely oblivious to the actual content of RPG history.

The Complete Book of Dwarves (pub. 1991) has this passage in the descriptions of the dwarf subraces, the difference being that it's about the AD&D 2E baseline for races, not FR specifically. So, D&D lore has differing thoughts about bearded dwarf women, but not because they don't grow beards, just because they shave to deal with surface races.

Deep dwarves, p. 13, "The females wear their beards long, unlike other dwarf women (who are typically clean-shaven). Deep dwarves have little or no contact with the surface."

 

[fantadomat]

Tb is smarter than rtwp.

Nope,it is inferior to other types of combat,only old and slow people worship TB

 

[Reinhardt]

Tb is smarter than rtwp.

Nope,it is inferior to other types of combat,only old and slow people worship TB

Only retards with memory, patience and attention span of average nigger can't appreciate tb.

 

[MuckMan]

even though we waited till BG 3 to get female Dwarves with beards in a DnD game as far as I know

That is an unfathomably ironic statement considering the fact that in one of RPG Codex' all-time favourite RPGs, not only did the paper dolls of dwarven females have beards - they couldn't *not* have beards.

The game? Baldur's Gate

Oh Wow got me there bro, right? Me a newfag who never played BG1 or 2 in his life. But you forgot to mention that the female dwarf in BG1 simply used the male Dwarf paperdoll, as they did for the female Gnome and male Gnome. And lo and behold if you boot up the original version of BG2 the female Dwarf and Gnome no longer have beards.... Which means if you used BGT you never saw the original female Dwarf paperdoll.

This discussion about female Dwarves and beards at least interrupted the "discussion" about RtwP and TB for a short while.

 

[Nano]

In the starting inn in IWD1, you come across a female dwarf with a beard. On the other hand you have the option of telling her she's disgusting, which is something I'd doubt modern developers would include.

 

[Grunker]

This discussion about female Dwarves and beards at least interrupted the "discussion" about RtwP and TB for a short while.

and thus, disregarding our disagreements, we can both sleep with the satisfaction that we saved the codex for about 7 hours on november 11th, 2021

 

[Grunker]

Relevant:

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I applaud the steadfast believe of some posters in this thread, that BG 3 will be pure incline by codex standards, but the truth is Baldurs Gate 3 will be pozzed, no doubt about it. The question is, how much.

Every mainstream game will be. It already has homosexual romance options in it.

What I'm mainly concerned with are the quality of the writing, the RPG design and the combat.

Again, there's a difference between making the entire game pozzed like Wokefinder, and merely including a faggot or two in the campaign.

For example: The first Gameplay-Demo, played by the man himself, he chose his sex and called it "body type", I only saw this video once, but I still remember that.

This is something a lot of companies are doing. Note how it doesn't say "body type", it simply has the male/female symbol.

20% to 40% of young people are now identifying as some form of LGBLT. Companies are afraid to offend them. Even if they don't specifically put a "select your pronouns" option, they still don't want to ruffle feathers and end up a target of the next reddit struggle session.

Again, there's a difference between this and packing your game full of trannies and perverts.

 

[Fedora Master]

Larian fans have by definition the mental capacity of children. They neither care about nor understand the homosexual agenda that is being pushed on them as long as its presented in a "funny" way.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Larian fans have by definition the mental capacity of children. They neither care about nor understand the homosexual agenda that is being pushed on them as long as its presented in a "funny" way.

I both understand it and am concerned by it. However, I can recognize the difference between a company specifically pushing it, and a company that's has no particular agenda to push it, but includes some of it. Whether that's to avoid offending the woken mob, or because they themselves have been demoralized to some degree, I can't say. I can only look at a game and see how much of it is specific and intentional fagotry for the sake of fagotry.

 

[Cael]

20% to 40% of young people are now identifying as some form of LGBLT. Companies are afraid to offend them. Even if they don't specifically put a "select your pronouns" option, they still don't want to ruffle feathers and end up a target of the next reddit struggle session.

Again, there's a difference between this and packing your game full of trannies and perverts.

And it used to be that 60-70% of the population smoked cigarettes, too. When the media decides something is cool, the sheep will follow, even if it means hacking their dicks and tits off.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

If ever there was a great example of how you people see SJW insertions everywhere no matter what, this has got to be it.

Look how often it is an "SJW insertion" though.

Calling people crazy grognards for the one time they notice something that fits a pattern and are wrong isn't really fair.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

20% to 40% of young people are now identifying as some form of LGBLT. Companies are afraid to offend them. Even if they don't specifically put a "select your pronouns" option, they still don't want to ruffle feathers and end up a target of the next reddit struggle session.

Again, there's a difference between this and packing your game full of trannies and perverts.

And it used to be that 60-70% of the population smoked cigarettes, too. When the media decides something is cool, the sheep will follow, even if it means hacking their dicks and tits off.

True. However, when you consider the perspective of a company that wants to make money, it's understandable for them to want to avoid political issues. They're in business to make money and they don't want some Antifa tranny burning down their studio or whatever.

It may be more moral for them to take a stand against wokeness, but morality is sadly no longer mainstream. Why would a normie dev studio, helmed by normies do it?

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Another bullshit decision is that female Dwarves can have a beard, which I presume stems from the stupid joke in The Two Towers, about female dwarves having a beard. Even if implemented as a joke, there is no joking on such matters with SJWs.

If ever there was a great example of how you people see SJW insertions everywhere no matter what, this has got to be it.

It's funny, isn't it. The people claiming to be grognard defenders of the Old Faith often seem completely oblivious to the actual content of RPG history.

You could have stopped with "Ed Greenwood", as no-one should accept any of his products as a legitimate part of D&D history. On the other hand, from GAZ6 The Dwarves of Rockhome (1988) by Aaron Allston:
(1) Dwarf Women and Beards. Female dwarves do not have beards. Their faces bear the strong, craggy features of the dwarven race, but do not have facial hair.

Confirmed in several of the illustrations by Stephen Fabian.

 

[Cael]

20% to 40% of young people are now identifying as some form of LGBLT. Companies are afraid to offend them. Even if they don't specifically put a "select your pronouns" option, they still don't want to ruffle feathers and end up a target of the next reddit struggle session.

Again, there's a difference between this and packing your game full of trannies and perverts.

And it used to be that 60-70% of the population smoked cigarettes, too. When the media decides something is cool, the sheep will follow, even if it means hacking their dicks and tits off.

True. However, when you consider the perspective of a company that wants to make money, it's understandable for them to want to avoid political issues. They're in business to make money and they don't want some Antifa tranny burning down their studio or whatever.

It may be more moral for them to take a stand against wokeness, but morality is sadly no longer mainstream. Why would a normie dev studio, helmed by normies do it?

The problem is that by putting in political statements to assuage the woke, they are making political statements. If they didn't insert wokeness into their games, then they would not be making political statements. The problem is that one slogan of the woketard cunts, "Silence Is Violence". You can't even be non-political any more. You WILL engage in politics or you will be attacked. And you better engage in the "right" politics or you will be attacked. I see no difference between the Nazis and the woke left.

So, if I were a logical and sane developer, and I will be attacked regardless of which way I go, I'd leave the fucking thing out.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

So, if I were a logical and sane developer, and I will be attacked regardless of which way I go, I'd leave the fucking thing out.

Which is what they did. As I said, BG3 doesn't have a gender selector of any kind. It just shows the male/female symbols.