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[rusty_shackleford]

Translation. Wizards in 5E are like 4E controllers, only enchantment is viable. Why even have evocation, necromancy, transmutation, conjuration and other schools? Why anyone would ever use cone of cold or cloudkill over hold monster? Those spells where amazing in previous editions.

To be fair, enchantment has always been the best school in D&D.

define:"best"
Divination always tended to have the most interesting spells, however they typically aren't implemented in cRPGs.

 

[Delterius]

Translation. Wizards in 5E are like 4E controllers, only enchantment is viable. Why even have evocation, necromancy, transmutation, conjuration and other schools? Why anyone would ever use cone of cold or cloudkill over hold monster? Those spells where amazing in previous editions.

To be fair, enchantment has always been the best school in D&D.

define:"best"
Divination always tended to have the most interesting spells, however they typically aren't implemented in cRPGs.

if it isn't implemented in cRPGs then it isn't real

 

[Nano]

define:"best"
Divination always tended to have the most interesting spells, however they typically aren't implemented in cRPGs.

As in mechanically the best. Moderately damaging incoming fighters with a fireball isn't as good as getting them to kill eachother. By dominating a spellcaster with just one cast of Dominate Person you can double your spell slots.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Translation. Wizards in 5E are like 4E controllers, only enchantment is viable. Why even have evocation, necromancy, transmutation, conjuration and other schools? Why anyone would ever use cone of cold or cloudkill over hold monster? Those spells where amazing in previous editions.

To be fair, enchantment has always been the best school in D&D.

define:"best"
Divination always tended to have the most interesting spells, however they typically aren't implemented in cRPGs.

if it isn't implemented in cRPGs then it isn't real

crpg devs are lazy as shit, they only implement the spells that take the least amount of effort

 

[Delterius]

devs are bad

irrelevant. this isn't larp your campaign codex.

As in mechanically the best. Moderately damaging incoming fighters with a fireball isn't as good as getting them to kill eachother. By dominating a spellcaster with just one cast of Dominate Person you can double your spell slots.

now you have to correct your assessment for 'when the game fails to implement enchantment spells past level 4' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours is somehow enchantment immune' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours has will as its best saves'

what kills enchantment ever so often seems to be encounter design imo

 

[rusty_shackleford]

enchantment/illusion AKA "those few enchantment/illusion spells that act like evocation spells and are easily able to be implemented by copy-paste"

 

[Nano]

now you have to correct your assessment for 'when the game fails to implement enchantment spells past level 4' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours is somehow enchantment immune' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours has will as its best saves'

what kills enchantment ever so often seems to be encounter design imo

A lot of CRPG designers hate enchantment specifically because it's the most powerful school, that's why they go out of their way to screw it over.

 

[Delterius]

now you have to correct your assessment for 'when the game fails to implement enchantment spells past level 4' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours is somehow enchantment immune' or 'when every monster you fight for 50 hours has will as its best saves'

what kills enchantment ever so often seems to be encounter design imo

A lot of CRPG designers hate enchantment specifically because it's the most powerful school, that's why they go out of their way to screw it over.

i don't think there's an anti enchantment conspiracy. devs just love their undead filled third acts.

 

[Nano]

i don't think there's an anti enchantment conspiracy.

There is, though. Dominate lasts days or weeks in PnP (at least in 2E and 3E), how many CRPGs are there that don't nerf its duration to shit?

 

[Delterius]

i don't think there's an anti enchantment conspiracy.

There is, though. Dominate lasts days or weeks in PnP (at least in 2E and 3E), how many CRPGs are there that don't nerf its duration to shit?

are you turning into enchantment victor

 

[Nano]

are you turning into enchantment victor

I've always been enchantment Victor.

 

[Cryomancer]

however they typically aren't implemented in cRPGs.

Because they are very DM dependent.

To be fair, enchantment has always been the best school in D&D.

Depends for what and against which enemy. Immunity vs mind affecting effects like feeblemind is not a uncommon trait among high level monsters. Other schools are extremely useful in previous D&D editions. Illusion is the most iconic example. Had a lot of versatility, amazing defensive options and amazing offensive options, abjuration is the best anti caster school in defensive and anti spell defense spells. Transmutation has good offensive spells like disintegrate, great defensive spells and great shapeshift spells, In KoTC1 I've made my main char(wizard) to be a transmuter focused character and he could easily become deadly at CQB with Tenser's Transformation + other buffs. Conjuration, can make you a powerful minionmancer and can allow you to cast really deadly persistent spells like acid fog(which ignores SR) and powerful controlling spells like black tentacles. And necromancy, the best magic school ever. OHK spells, lasting undead servants, really nasty debuffs, ability to take control over enemy undead and etc.

If VtM was made by WoTC instead of White Wolf, I'm pretty sure that domination would be the unique viable discipline for Tremere.

minate lasts days or weeks in PnP (at least in 2E and 3E), how many CRPGs are there that don't nerf its duration to shit?

How even have multiple weeks duration enchantment?

BTW, you will probably gonna like KoTC2 specialized enchanter wizard. https://www.heroicfantasygames.com/FWE/Pages/FWE_Wizard.htm

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

BTW, you will probably gonna like KoTC2 specialized enchanter wizard. https://www.heroicfantasygames.com/FWE/Pages/FWE_Wizard.htm

Enchanter Wizard is extremely strong in Augury of Chaos due to all the lethal enemies that you could render harmless with a single feeblemind/baleful polymorph.

 

[Cryomancer]

Enchanter Wizard is extremely strong in Augury of Chaos due to all the lethal enemies that you could render harmless with a single feeblemind/baleful polymorph.

I tough that you would prefer illusion. Isn't the chosen school of the gnome merchant guild? Ohhh wait, typical illusion spells are enchantment in KoTC2. That explains why the merchant guild likes enchantment.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

Enchanter Wizard is extremely strong in Augury of Chaos due to all the lethal enemies that you could render harmless with a single feeblemind/baleful polymorph.

I tough that you would prefer illusion. Isn't the chosen school of the gnome merchant guild? Ohhh wait, typical illusion spells are enchantment in KoTC2. That explains why the merchant guild likes enchantment.

Enchanting is also a staple of the banker's guild.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

Let's be honest here...

My beautiful game

Shouldn't you be working on "your game" right now? It's been at least three years since work started and its still not done. You Belgians are incredibly lazy. German goyim would've finished the game by now.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Shouldn't you be working on "your game" right now

CEOs don't work men

 

[The_Mask]

Let's be honest here...

My beautiful game

Shouldn't you be working on "your game" right now? It's been at least three years since work started and its still not done. You Belgians are incredibly lazy. German goyim would've finished the game by now.

Technically they've been working for like 4 years now. Not complaining. Just a fact.

 

[Swen]

Let's be honest here...

My beautiful game

Shouldn't you be working on "your game" right now? It's been at least three years since work started and its still not done. You Belgians are incredibly lazy. German goyim would've finished the game by now.

Oy vey Moshe, give me shekels and I'll open up a studio in Tel Aviv, I heard jews were famous for their work ethic.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

Let's be honest here...

My beautiful game

Shouldn't you be working on "your game" right now? It's been at least three years since work started and its still not done. You Belgians are incredibly lazy. German goyim would've finished the game by now.

Oy vey Moshe, give me shekels and I'll open up a studio in Tel Aviv, I heard jews were famous for their work ethic.

No. Subversives are not allowed in Israel.

 

[Herumor]

Has there been any mention of an actual release date?

 

[AwesomeButton]

Has there been any mention of an actual release date?

The best we know is it's pretty certain it won't be 2022.

 

[Thonius]

Everytime I check screens game looks uglier than last time wtf. They are nerfing visuals?

 

[Fedora Master]

This will be Wrath all over, a somewhat polished first act so all the journos gush over it followed by barely finished garbage.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

This will be Wrath all over, a somewhat polished first act so all the journos gush over it followed by barely finished garbage.

Do journos even play the first act?