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[NJClaw]

"Orc warrioress Lae'zel".

So... now Dak'kon's an orc.

...

Dak'kon is not a githyanki either

 

[Nortar]

Dak'kon is not a githyanki either

Well, to be precise the githyanki and the githzerai are originally both of the same gith race.
It's like saying libruls are not human.

 

[Black]

It's like saying libruls are not human.

Correct.

 

[Fedora Master]

If you had in mind Action/RPG only then of course RT is best for them

You can't have an action game be TB, those are opposites. And action RPG is also a nonsensical word salad that doesn't mean anything, but that's a different matter.

chess is an action rpg

Chess is the Dark Souls of board games.

 

[NJClaw]

Dak'kon is not a githyanki either

Well, to be precise the githyanki and the githzerai are originally both of the same gith race.
It's like saying libruls are not human.

They originated from the same race, but they developed into completely different ones, mainly due to the fact that they established themselves in different planes of existence. More than humans/liberals, the difference is humans/space travelers that ended up in a different universe and are now immortals.

But yeah, we can all agree that liberals are not humans.

 

[Stokowski]

History is written by the winners. And turn-based won. It's over.

It's not over. Turn-based just ended their turn.

 

[Lacrymas]

It is over, though, and has been over ever since IWD2 came out. Could RTwP have made a come-back had PoE1 base game not been as shit and almost unplayable? Maybe, but that's neither here nor there. The fetishists should be happy that Owlcat are still catering to their deviant desires.

And yes, I blame PoE exclusively.

 

[Sweeper]

It is over, though, and has been over ever since IWD2 came out.

We've established that people who prefer RPGs soley based on whether or not they're TB or RTwP, regardless of anything and everything else, are part of the decline.
PF has deep and complex mechanics.
D:OS does not.
PF has theorycrafting and variety of builds.
D:OS also has it, but to a much lesser and far more boring degree.
The mistake you make Lacrymas is thinking that I, or indeed everyone who likes PF, likes it because it's RTwP.
Can't speak for the rest, but I don't. I prefer it because it's overall the superior game.
It's your problem you can't handle RTwP.
Now, I don't know what the fuck you're thinking with trashing absolute classics like IE games in favor of Larian developed, mass appeal, simplified shitpiles, we'll get to that later.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

He's not trashtalking IE games though. He accepts their RTwP system as being a product of the times in which they were made.

 

[Sweeper]

He's not trashtalking IE games though. He accepts their RTwP system as being a product of the times in which they were made.

I don't know man.

It is over, though, and has been over ever since IWD2 came out.

That to me sounds like he's saying that TB won over (is better) than RTwP (including IE) games just cause Larian made D:OS and it sold and was recieved well.
But maybe I misunderstood.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Yeah, but that's just referencing the emerging popularity of TB. Doesn't mean that it took away anything from its RTwP precursors nor that Larian is suddenly great aside from its usage of a TB system. Lacrymas just had an earlier post today in which he criticized the shit writing of D:OS.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm not trash talking the IE games, they are one of my favorite games of all time. That's despite the RTwP though. And I wouldn't say Larian are the reason for the contemporary TB boom. If I had to say something concrete, I'd go with the nu-XCom (there's only a content structure difference between a squad-based tactical game and an RPG), it was surprisingly well received and I was genuinely shocked how well it did even though it's TB. I didn't predict it will lead to this of course, but maybe it was obvious in hindsight.

 

[Sweeper]

Alright fair enough, I was wrong about you trashing IE games. But now you're completely focusing on that.

The fetishists should be happy that Owlcat are still catering to their deviant desires.

PF:KM is superior to D:OS. But so is Underrail, or hell even ATOM RPG.
A game being TB doesn't automatically make it better to RTwP.

 

[Lacrymas]

So? I haven't played enough of PF:KM to say that, but even if that were true it would be despite the RTwP.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

I haven't played enough of PF:KM

You should.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yeah, I know, I'll get to it eventually. There are also dissenting voices among our ranks, like pomenitul, who would say that PF:KM is a kiddy game and its good reputation here is undeserved. I'd go as far as to say that its current gameplay flaws wouldn't exist had it been TB. The endless trash and the feeling of it dragging on. There isn't as strong a drive to populate the game with trash when you are making a TB game. Some devs still do it, but it's generally noticeably less.

 

[Sweeper]

So? I haven't played enough of PF:KM to say that, but even if that were true it would be despite the RTwP.

So now a game that uses the 3.5 D&D ruleset, which you haven't played that much, is worse than D:OS, just based on it being RTwP.
Like I said

It's your problem you can't handle RTwP.

You should do what Magnat suggested, with the TB mod if you really can't stomach the other system. Cause the character building and D&D systmes (some of which are badly implemented) of Pathfinder are really excellent and a breath of fresh air after all these years.
Pathfinder is far from a perfect game, but it's the closest we've come to IE games after almost 20 years, and it did come pretty close to them.

 

[Lacrymas]

That's completely irrelevant, the character building would've been the same had it been a TB game. Because surprise, surprise, it's an adaptation of a TB system.

 

[Sweeper]

My point being the character building is more fun and complex than any newer TB RPG.
Including Underrail, but especially compared to D:OS. I'm not arguing for TB over RTwP, I'm arguing that PF:KM is better than D:OS.
D:OS can be TB with polished combat and encounters all it wants, it's still a polished turd cause everything else about is simple.

 

[BarbequeMasta]

I said it before I'll say it again, this game is gonna suck in story and gameplay mainly because it's Larian garbage, doesn't matter if it was TB, RTWP or an action game.
The problem with it being TB is not one that affects the quality of the game exactly, it's the fact that Larian took THE RtwP game and completly shit on it by making an abomination that has nothing to do with it (gameplay or story/tone) as a sequel cause they(and WotC) are incompetent greedy fucks, which is annoying for anyone who care about BG.

 

[CappenVarra]

to honor the victims of this horrific belgian plague, i've re-enabled my D:OS backer badge

I gave money to Larian's relationship simulator.

 

[User0001]

I WANNA KNOW SOMETHING

Spoiler

DO
GITH
GOT
ORANGE
DICKS?

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

He mentioned that in BG-3 "the A.I. can decide to shoot a barrel near the hero if the A.I. concludes that in the barrel can be some liquid that provides "difficult terrain".

I'm starting to think that Larian is entirely made up of barrel fetishists.

Am surprised they didn't announce a barrel romance yet....

 

[Fenix]

TB has always been because of technical limitations

It's the same as to say painting only existed because of technical limitations, and now as we have photos we don't need it.
It''s totally wrong.
Say this about isometric games and first person view too - wrong again.
Say this about books and cinematography - still wrong.
TB has its own perks, RT or RTwP has its own, they are not the same and never will be.
You can't achieve with RT same as with TB.

I can't get this two-dimensional thinking, where "there can be only one", TB or RT, chose now and you will never see the second one.
Bullshit.

Kiss the feet of a goblin to steel a ring. ALL IN MOCAP. I hope his source is wrong.

Yeah, very realistic graffixx, found the pic.

Spoiler

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

To be absolutely fair, she doesn't look like a gith and even I thought she was an orc at first, like I've mentioned several times. I'm more willing to say Larian haven't made her gith enough when basically everyone doesn't know what she is than blame the journos this time. The article is quite cringe-y, though, sooo.

There wouldn't be such confusion between orcs and githyanki, if orcs had always been properly depicted as similar to the pig-men from W.H. Hodgson's classic novel The House on the Borderland.

Orcs as depicted by Doug Chaffee in the AD&D 2nd edition Player's Handbook and by David Sutherland in the AD&D Monster Manual.