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Squeenix Best Final Fantasy

Which Final Fantasy is the best?


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I wish I had the free time to play crap games, just so I could thoroughly catalogue all the ways FF8 and FF9 shat the bed in terms of gameplay. Alas, I have to play good shit instead, where equipment does more than make a number go up. Or, you know, exists at all.
 

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Retard says what? Muh precious 5 equipment slots in FF4! Too dim-witted to understand it has been swapped for weapon upgrades, GF junctioning, stat-junctioning, support ability junctioning, command junctioning, status junctioning, elemental junctioning. And more. Which do all the same things as equipment and then some x10.

FF4 has this shit as literally its only form of pre-battle strategy, growth and freedom. Where the vast majority of the time, you simply swap out with the latest item you find. Riveting stuff. It's only likeness to real RPG character building gameplay and strategy....is five pathetic equipment slots.

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Yes, FF8 has utterly fucked balance. There's a simple romhack for that you continue to choose to ignore which turns it into a highly engaging game.
FF9 has an almost identical equipment system as 4, but with numerous extras (ability stones, learning abilities from equipment) and in general shits on 4 in regards to other elements, like level design. Do go ahead and document how inferior it is, even vanilla.
 
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Retard says what?

This apparently (see below):

Muh precious 5 equipment slots in FF4! Too dim-witted to understand it has been swapped for weapon upgrades, GF junctioning, stat-junctioning, support ability junctioning, command junctioning, status junctioning, elemental junctioning. And more. Which do all the same things as equipment and then some x10.

A great and intricate system where you draw a stack of 99 whatevers and then link it to a stat and own everything. :retarded:
 

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Again, there is a romhack to download, that you all should have already downloaded, if you were men of standards. Play it dumbfuck, instead of mediocre "RPGs" like FF4. You're mediocre as hell, it's only fitting you latch on to mindless barebones ancient shit I guess.

Again, FWIW without romhack the piss-easy combat doesn't apply throughout. There are numerous optional encounters where good understanding of the systems does apply.
 

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I honestly wouldn't have even minded the whole junctioning thing if it weren't for the retarded draw system giving you 99 stacks of everything you need, making all map exploration and shops utterly pointless. It honestly feels like the game was designed around the player not being able to draw magic into stock at all, then some retard added it in at the last second and broke the entire thing. Without that, spells would actually be valuable, you'd have to make decisions about where to put the good stuff, and the difficulty curve wouldn't look like a flatline.

And if you want to play a romhack, play one for FF4. It won't waste your time with 30 hours of unskippable nested plotholes dressed up as 'cinema.'
 

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Jesus you think very one-dimensional. As if magic is the only resource gained from exploration. GFs/magic/items/abilities/Money/weapon upgrades etc.

Anyways, play with the hack. We're almost talking about two different games in the case of 8. You insist on talking about the inferior version, as if I were to talk about FF4 easytype and ignore another, better version exists.

Declinefags.

Hurrr play a romhack of mediocre JRPGs and pretend it makes you monocled instead of playing something actually good hurrrrr.

I saw something that would seem to apply here, let's see... Oh yeah!

LOW STANDARDS ALERT ITT

:shunthenonbeliever:
Instead of playing something actually good...like FF4, he says. Mediocre to the core.
 
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Jesus you think very one-dimensional. As if magic is the only resource gained from exploration. GFs/magic/items/abilities/Money.

Anyways, play with the hack. We're almost talking about two different games. You insist on talking about the inferior version, as if I were to talk about FF4 easytype and ignore another, better version exists.

Declinefags.

Hurrr play a romhack of mediocre JRPGs and pretend it makes you monocled instead of playing something actually good hurrrrr.

I saw something that would seem to apply here, let's see... Oh yeah!

LOW STANDARDS ALERT ITT

:shunthenonbeliever:
Instead of playing something actually good...like FF4, he says. Mediocre to the core.

Why the hell would you think I'm playing FF4, a game I haven't touched since release on the SNES?

You should try playing a game that involves reading or take an evening course or something, then we could avoid this sort of idiocy.
 

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Why the hell would you think I'm playing FF4, a game I haven't touched since release on the SNES?

You should try playing a game that involves reading or take an evening course or something, then we could avoid this sort of idiocy

You have been rating me butthurt etc on every post bashing CT and FF4. Claiming it is I that is butthurt, and that it is I that is misintepreting your love for both those retard-tier games.

Beautiful projection, sir Mediocrity. You can't hide it from me. Your butthurt over these two kiddie shit dumb garbage games is delightful.
 

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Why the hell would you think I'm playing FF4, a game I haven't touched since release on the SNES?

You should try playing a game that involves reading or take an evening course or something, then we could avoid this sort of idiocy

You have been rating me butthurt etc on every post bashing CT and FF4. Claiming it is I that is butthurt, and that it is I that is misintepreting your love for both those retard-tier games is beautiful projection, sir Mediocrity.

Yeah, because most of your takes are more or less completely retarded. Chrono Cross sucks balls. FF9 sucks balls. FF8 (though I have a soft spot for it) sucks balls.

Here's a newsflash for you, if I wanted to play a good game, I probably wouldn't play something by Squenix, though if I were, I'd at least lean towards something from Sakaguchi's era.
 

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I have never played Chrono Cross lol. I have no valid judgement of it and have spoke very little of it.

You are very triggered I shat on your garbage fake kiddie games. Get the fuck out of here dumbass. You have no argument or defense of anything I said, all you can do is point at vanilla FF8 (the least-good, good FF) and scream "unbalanced!", super low hanging fruit and fixable with a single basic patch. That and rate all my posts butthurt. Delightful projection it's so good.
 

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I have never played Chrono Cross lol. I have no valid judgement of it and have spoke very little of it.

You are very triggered I shat on your garbage fake kiddie games. Get the fuck out of here dumbass. You have no argument or defense of anything I said, all you can do is point at vanilla FF8 (the least-good later FF) and scream "unbalanced!", super low hanging fruit and fixable with a single basic patch. That and rate all my posts butthurt. Delightful projection it's so good.

Because anyone with taste played the games and then left them behind, they didn't obsess and start looking up mods to try and somehow make them good and then try to get elitist about how some game that isn't what Squenix actually put out is good and intentionally conflate the issue by referring to the base title rather than whatever mod. Don't get your dumbfuckery on me now.
 

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Yeah OK, now you are going to pretend you don't love these games. Why are you even arguing with me, then? Why were you posting in this thread prior? Why were you calling FF13 director a hack in an elitist display of passion?

Move the fuck on. You're above the best JRPG series after all.

Yup, I will be here to speak the truth and defend some of the best games the industry ever produced. And promote the patches that help them reach their potential.
 

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Yeah OK, now you are going to pretend you don't love these games. Why are you even arguing with me, then? Why were you posting in this thread prior? Why were you calling FF13 director a hack in an elitist display of passion?

Move the fuck on. You're above the best JRPG series after all.

Yup, I will be here to speak the truth and defend some of the best games the industry ever produced. And promote the patches that help them reach their potential.

Pro-tip: You can have nostalgia for something and also admit it's flawed and certainly not the best games the industry has ever produced. That is retarded fanboy talk.
 

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Continue being delusional just as you will continue thinking FF4 and CT are good games. Sadly, I can't control or fix retards. Also henceforth I'll now rate all your posts butthurt, just for fun.

Name five better JRPGs than FFV. Scrap that, you'll just end up listing yet more non-games with endless mindless combat.
 

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Continue being delusional just as you will continue thinking FF4 and CT are good games. Sadly, I can't control or fix retards. Also henceforth I'll now rate all your posts butthurt, just for fun.

Name five better JRPGs than FFV.

Why would I do that?

I'm not really a JRPG guy...

Anyway, I could give a stab at it, but I don't particularly care and think most of the JRPG genre is borderline trash outside of the tactics subgenre and some of the stuff that holds closer to their WRPG roots.

Why are you so obsessed with me anyway? On the one hand telling me what a retard I am and then begging for my opinion to contrast with the bestest games your mom bought you?
 

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Fun's over. Give me the last say though, retard! :lol:

Edit: Wait, obsessed with you? It is you that has been spamming butthurt and reacting in tears to my monocled essays.

I actually thought you understood reality, for a moment, when you called the FF13 director a hack. 4 shares more in common gameplay-wise with 13 than it does 5. That you don't get it is why I am now giving up on you after I've had my fun.
 

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By the way, wha it the rebalance mod you were talking about for FF8 ?

Steam or PS1 ?

Thx
 

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Neither technically. Emulation of PS1. Never play steam versions of any FF.

http://ngplus.net/InsaneDifficultyA...ml?/files/file/27-final-fantasy-viii-requiem/

It turns it into a legitimately great game. Game being the key word. Story concerns of course still remain, but whatever. Still largely fun and charming nonetheless.

This patch is a difficulty and re-balance modification for the PSX NTSC-U version of Final Fantasy VIII.

Enemy Alterations
Strength, Magic, Speed, and HP have been increased. Bosses have extra status immunities and are immune to gravity attacks. Ability scaling has been altered. Bosses often use more powerful abilities. HP is now the only stat that can be increased by Devouring enemies. Some AI scripts altered.

GFs
Stat bonus abilities (Str Bonus, etc.) have been replaced. Stat increasing abilities (Str+20%, etc.) have been reduced in effect. Forbid Med-RF and Cover have been removed. Doomtrain doesn't inflict Vit0.

Magic
All magic junctions have had their effects reduced. Meltdown no longer inficts Vit0. Aura change to Shield, adds Protect and Shell. Meteor is less powerful. Re-balanced magical damage.

Items
Hero-Trial, Hero, Holy War-Trial, and Holy War add Haste, Regen, Protect, and Shell. Aura Stone changed to Shield Stone. Knight's Code replace with Thief's Code, teaches Mug. Elixers restore 2000 HP to the party. Megalixers restore 4000 HP to the party. X-Potions restore 5000 HP to one character.

Limit Breaks
The End no longer ignores Death immunity, but it has gained Catastophe's damage formula and breaks the damage limit. Wall now adds Invincibility and Aura. Rapture and The End appear more frequently in Slots, while Wall is much less frequent. Lionheart, Punch Rush, Booya, Heel Drop, Mach Kick, and Wishing Star have had their damage multipliers reduced. Meteor Strike is non-gravity damage. Zell's Finishing Moves are more powerful and My Final Heaven can break the damage limit. Fated Circle and Blasting Zone are more powerful. Angelo Cannon and Angelo Strike are more powerful. Angelo Strike can inflict Vit0. Invincible Moon changed to Wishing Moon, a weaker version of Wishing Star. Irvine's Shots have been re-balanced. Hyper Shot can break the damage limit. Degenerator now uses the same status hitrate as spells like Death, Blind, etc.

Enemy Level Alterations
Most story bosses have fixed levels. Most optional bosses still scale. Enemies in Ultimecia's Castle that previously randomly spawned their levels now are set to party level+30. The final bosses are set to level 100. Brothers are changed from max level 75 to fixed level 25. Enemies in Lunatic Pandora scale. Enemies that had fixed levels now have higher fixed levels. Enemies in the Deep Sea Research Facility are set to party level+22. Enemies in the Centra Ruins are set to party level+15.
 
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Wow, reading the description of that mod (and the replies to it on it's page) pretty much confirms it. You're some sort of autist obssessed with grinding. Normal people don't want to spend hours playing a repetitive card game or drawing magic to grind their stats up dude. Or fight a boss that takes 30 minutes solely by virtue of stat bloat, which is rendered not a threat at all by having literally 300 of the best healing magic at any given point.

FF8 isn't bad because the enemies have low stats. It's bad because the way you get stronger is tedious and boring, and your resources are basically infinite. Fuck, he even gave the bosses more status immunities, further simplifying the combat just in case you wanted to employ a strategy of some sort. Christ. About the only decent changes in there are to the limit breaks, and removal of level scaling from some bosses. You were hyping this thing up so much I'd assumed it made major changes to the systems, like preventing limit break cheese, removing ways to easily get hundreds of spells, or changing the junctioning system so it doesn't just give your entire party identical stats.
 

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Shut up dullard. It gets really annoying correcting someone that played the game vanilla once 20 years ago, that has 0 in PER and can't properly analyze a damn thing, and yet thinks he knows everything.

Here are the results of what it actually does in summary, from someone with experience, not your retarded knee-jerk interpretation of a changelog:

-Lowers attack power, meaning things that actually cost resources/have a limit (magic/items/gf) are more important and you can't just spam it to victory like vanilla. Furthermore, most of the good drawable magic in battle is for most of the game held by bosses, which are tough and one-time encounters, so you can't sit there drawing forever.
-Fights are tough, especially bosses, so you must continually adapt how to setup your characters and engage deeply with the systems.
-Limit break cheese is no longer nearly as viable - aura doesn't give you limit breaks. Enemies hit hard so you can't just leave your characters low HP and spam away always. In addition to nerfing things like degenerator. What little cheese that remains is factored into the difficulty balance, and is no longer cheese as a result.
-Level scaling is mostly no more. The end result of this SHOULD be self-explanatory but, well...
-GF summoning is not the win button it once was. They get killed. A lot. You will be reviving/healing them, a lot. Even new strategies come into play like summoning a GF just to take the damage of an attack and die in place of the character that summoned it. A sacrificial shield. They also cannot be adequately healed in combat so the clock is ticking for these support fighters.
-All items are given more worth as a result of tougher enemies, PC nerfs etc. And attrition of items apply. All magics. All GFs. All resources. All systems. Everything is important.
-Junctioning magic to stats grants less of a boost. It's no longer the win state it was vanilla, especially since combat is harder across the board, so it doesn't need the same level of attention you still attribute to it ("muh infinite magics is such a problem!!!"). Besides, drawing magic endlessly is playing the game wrong anyways. Both items and cards grant lots of magic, as well as draw points in the world of varying kinds (visible, hidden but can be revealed, perma-hidden).

"[it doesn't do stupid unnecessary things like] Changing the junctioning system so it doesn't just give your entire party identical stats."

Hardly an issue. For 95% of the game, you do not have anywhere close to identical stats. That's only right at the end once all GF and their abilities, as well as lots of high level magic are obtained. Furthermore even at this end game scenario, it's no longer a game of who merely has the best stats like your primitive JRPGs, but who has the best [insert 20 other variables] instead. Yet another thing is ALL stats, including elem and status defense are now of greater importance, and there are only so many types of high level magic, so even at the very end you must pick and choose which stats get the best magic junctioned, resulting in different stat builds. Even at the very end.

The end result is a deeply enjoyable, highly strategic, multi-layered experience. All systems and elements of gameplay come together and you need to factor everything, as it should be.

As for any negative responses on the page, most people are dumb casuals like you. Of course they can't handle a hardcore FF. There is less grinding than say FF10 and 12 (ultra grindy games which I don't enjoy much), except for the final optional super boss (omega) which I just ignore. Though even then it's probably still less than the FF10/12 ultra grind.

As for the card game, yup it does become important. Mandatory? I'm not certain, but probably. However it doesn't demand hours upon hours. What you largely need is a some of the rare 20 cards for refinery. That's all you need to aim for. Anyways, not a bad thing. It's very fun and gameplay should exist with meaning and relevance to the overarching experience, not there for shits and giggles. At least in a hard mode anyways.

FF8 isn't bad because the enemies have low stats

Yes it is. With enemies that hit harder, GFs actually die. PCs actually are at threat of dying and can't just be left at low health to spam limit breaks. All resources are sapped more. You must adapt to encounters more via party setup. And more. Duh.

With this mod, FF8 becomes one of the most strategic and in-depth RPGs available. And it does so with fairly straightforward and sparse changes. So many choices, so much strategy, constantly evolving. It's really, really good.

Just stick to kiddie dead simple FF4, eh.
 
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I HIGHLY recommend it. 90s FF excluding early learning 4 already absolutely dominated most JRPG by a mile. With these romhacks, fuck they're great. some of the best gaming experiences you'll have.

FF6's: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/294/
FF7's: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/828/
FF9's: https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2927/

FF5 doesn't need one quite as much, but my next playthrough will definitely be difficulty modded because I am for sure a vet by this point. 3 playthroughs if I recall. (last one was modded but with a bad mod that made things easier unfortunately).
 

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14 pages in and I still don't know what GF stands for. It's more amusing to think you're summoning girlfriends to fight the monsters for you.
 

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14 pages in and I still don't know what GF stands for. It's more amusing to think you're summoning girlfriends to fight the monsters for you.
now this is woke
 

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